Where are all the right-wing "First they came for the ___, but I did nothing" types who get outraged at anything that threatens their peaches?
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(CNN) ICE to begin nationwide immigration raids Sunday
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Erica Werner (@ericawerner)
Pelosi said she'll ask faith-based/evangelical groups to appeal to president to stop ICE raids. "They put him in office.
Knocking on doors, rounding people up, putting them in camps. Yup. Nazi America. Anyone who says otherwise can get fucked.
They have a list of people they're going to look for, what they're saying here is that if there are other undocumented people on the scene, they can be taken into custody too.
But really, this is all legalistic garbage, what they want to do is to swarm a place with a lot of brown people and demand to see their papers.
The laws says you can't quite do it, but you just watch as our amazing legal system that protects the weakest among us is gonna find a way to justify something that is functionally not different.
Also, if you hide behind so legal language people are for some reason waaaaaaaaaaaay more okay with that shit.
But I never got Law and Order people.
If you are not white and ICE sees you on the way to deportation raids, you are prolly getting detained.
Yeah no one is claiming this. The bottom line is they can't get Trump out of office with impeachment. I really don't understand what people here expect democrats to do. Do you all not understand how the government works?
I don't think so.
Look when Mueller will speak and look when they want to do these raids. He wants to drive the narrative.
I fully expect violence. He wants to swamp the media to lessen the impact of the hearing and at the same time give a signal to his base.
I hope the media covers this like crazy. (ugh)
If it happens, we need a flood of thousands of videos of a racist armed force rounding up immigrants and shipping them off.
These people probably have thousands of birthright American children too.
If you see something happening, record it!!!
If it happens, we need a flood of thousands of videos of a racist armed force rounding up immigrants and shipping them off.
These people probably have thousands of birthright American children too.
If you see something happening, record it!!!
i want to ask are people against sending back people that are here illegally or against groups like ICE or the border patrol agents? I'm curious because it seems like its the former and it kind of confuses me because its breaking the law. or maybe is it the way it's handled? I'm genuinely asking not looking for the type of snarky replies that might insinuate I'm a troll or something.
If the government was working as it should, the Dems would be impeaching Trump.
The inability to remove Trump from office does not abdicate them from the necessity of impeaching him.
With a court order? It means they don't have to knock and can kick down the door.
All the people cheering this sure are going to be surprised when grocery prices go up and places can't find White workers to do jobs they would never want their own children to do. But yay, racism!
Get cameras out there Dems, record it all, crying children, and plaster that shit all over the airwaves in 2020. Yes I know that will just turn on the deplorables but the moderates might actually feel something. Possibly.
Get cameras out there Dems, record it all, crying children, and plaster that shit all over the airwaves in 2020. Yes I know that will just turn on the deplorables but the moderates might actually feel something. Possibly.
We care about human beings. If you're going to "get them", build the facilities to help them find a better life. Don't charge them with crimes. Go through a process to help them become Americans. Love them, care for them, and hold their hand through the process.
Again, these are human beings. Those that are for the current way things are handled, if you believe in it, are going straight to hell.
Why do people that are for this, HATE (or at minimum don't care about) these people and not care that they're treated like trash instead of humans? A law saying they're criminals doesn't mean it's right. Women use to be not allowed to vote...that wasn't right. Black men and women couldn't enter the same building or drink the same water as a white man...that wasn't right. The way these immigrants are treated worse than REAL criminals is disgusting.
A law, order, or process can be WRONG...and evil in this case.
Does that answer work Buddy1103 ?
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Got postponed so the Democrats could shoot them selves on the foot with the border funding bill they got played on by their own leadership. Nancy and Schumer allowed that bill as some kind of goodwill gesture to Trump and here we are with him laughing his ass off to their faces. Idiots is too nice a word here.
And it would change absolutely nothing. I'm wondering what power people think the democrats have that allow them to 'save the day' here. Citizens have to vote Trump out or give the democrats the Senate, until that happens the dems have few cards to play.
I do appreciate calling out the hypocrisy but in reality evangelicals are not a Christian group, they are a cult that wear Christianity as a shield for their bigotry.
Big difference between ICE and border security.
I don't believe the US needs a force that goes around the country stopping people and asking them to show their papers, the US never really had that, and trust me, you really don't want to live in a country where you need to show your papers, even if you are a natural born citizen of that country.
Ask yourself this, right now, with what you have on you, can you prove you're an American citizen?
You want to try that at 5am when 10 people with guns shouting at you?
p.s.
if you're not worried about ICE stopping you and asking for your papers, you need to ask yourself why.
Imagine thousands of families live streaming ICE rounding people up. I'd like to see the "moderates" excuse for turning their heads to ignore it.
They are the ones to cheer these raids on to purge great nation of brown people.
American evangelicals are cancerous people for most part, making all Christians look like shit.
And because doing nothing, not even lifting a finger, not even pretending to care is totally going to convince people to go to the polls. Relying soley on Trump's reign of terror to win 2020 will backfire hard. You need to give them a reason to vote for you. And if the democrats can't spin "we stood up to Trump against every atrocity he did" to a positive then they're far weaker and don't belong in politics anymore.
How about the fact that it is being done by the Trump administration that already has a history of atrocities regarding immigration, and has shown time and time again that it has nothing to do with having illegals in this country and all to do with racism as they have to make up shit like immigrants are coming in hordes despite illegal immigration being down, or that immigrants are going to kill you, despite it being an extremely rare occurrence.
Or how about the mass deportation is not a good approach to taking care of the immigration problem. These people are a part of this country and this economy whether racists like it or not and if every single illegal immigrant was deported tomorrow the economy would take a spin. Or how about the fact that many of these people have lived in this country for decades and have family here, and it's inhumane and cruel to send them back at this point. But hey, cruelty is the point.
"Oh I didn't see that. I don't pay attention to politics...
Oh what's that now? Trump is working on world peace?! Nobel Prize! Thank you Mr. President!"
oh ok i get that. so it sounds like its mostly in how these situations are handled. it's pretty messed up. have had only 1 instance where i've been stopped and asked to show iD by undercover cops but i can see how having that happen continuously can be troublesome.
It's not really so much about "saving the day," so much as doing their job. Removal from office is one potential outcome of impeachment. The fact that this is an unlikely outcome does not mean that they should not impeach.
Impeachment is a process. Impeachment will lead to investigations, evidence gathering, and the socialization that things are not normal.
Since being voted into office, the Dems have abdicated their responsibilities. They're letting Trump set the narrative and appearing weak as they constantly capitulate to him, or only offering up the lamest of tweeted rebukes. I think this will lead to a cooling effect with the next election.
Isn't it terrible that people need to be exploited for prices to be stable? I never understood when the left makes the pro-immigration argument from the right because if the immigrants get citizenship and have more opportunities in life other than being paid peanuts for back breaking jobs what you talk about is also going to happen,
The fear of there no longer being an underclass that can be readily exploited by unscrupulous businesses shouldn't be what drives leftists to be pro-immigration.
But how else can they be handled?
You can either ask for papers or just round up brown people.
And mind you, it's kinda both, because they can shout all they want that they aren't racists, but most people don't carry passports with them, and if ICE really "don't see race" you'd have a lot of white people in custody calling their families asking if they can find their birth certificate.
Am I missing a third option here?
Repeatedly being treated like a second-class citizen and being asked to justify your continued existence in the country is a little more than "troublesome."
Oh for sure. The system would have to adjust and people would find themselves questioning The Conservative viewpoints if all of a sudden there was no exploitation of immigrants, is the point. I'm not cheering on said exploitation. It's messed up. I'm just pointing out that one of the major factors of keeping the Conservative movement strong, cheap labor and doing jobs nobody wants to do for a few bucks, would be gone if Republicans actually went through with this. It's like they are shooting themselves in the foot but they can't help it because, racism.
Laws can sometimes suck. And people need to disobey bad laws.
This was law. There were Germans thinking everything is fine because there was a law for it. It's why cruelty against minorities is possible. Because when the fascists come to power, cruel laws become the norm and people are ok with whatever happens because "the law is the law".
Why deport a illegal if he does nothing wrong, especially if you are tearing families apart?
yea i hate that these types of operations are being done under this specific administration because however bad it could be it'll be worse under trump. never thought about the fact that in 2019 multiple generations are born here and parents of legal children could be taken away. thanks for enlightening me on the subject.
Laws aren't inherently moral. All the people targeted are human beings. We need to take care of them and give them a pathway to become a citizen, not that I care much about borders to begin with. The handling of the law is absolutely disgusting. Concentration camps have no place anywhere. I also have problems with the law itself.
Yes, the same way people are arrested with a warrant signed by a judge. People living with someone like that aren't asked to prove they haven't broken the law or rounded up along with the person on the warrant.
yea i should have used a better word, i was trying to say that it is bad now and i hope it doesn't get worse because i know it can, specially under the current political climate and not just in the U.S.
The thing is, there is a reason that the immigration problem hasn't been solved, and that's because there isn't a good solution, and mass deportation would hurt the Republicans. It's just that Trump is too stupid he doesn't actually understand why Conservatives actually do want cheap labor to stick around. If Trump thinks the minimum wage will ever be lowered so that Zach Smith is making $4 picking lettuce, he's insane, and Republicans like McConnell know this.
Hence it's typically a problem that Republicans grumble about and exploit, but neither party actually wants to deal with it.
