My point was though, there is no solution in the current political climate, with two parties conflicting eachother and not wanting to actually solve the problem. That and even after amnesty was given in the 80s, we still find ourselves in a very similar situation today.
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(CNN) ICE to begin nationwide immigration raids Sunday
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Republicans point to the amnesty as a reason for no more amnesty or being kind, and only endorse no pathway in order to assure no more amnesty like Reagan did.
Honestly a strike and mass protests blocking the detention centers would be the most effective defense against ICE
like when you're trying to silence POCs' contempt for being sold out by their "allies" by demanding that they need to be as well versed in political history, debate, philosophy, and theater as you are because you have the time and privilege to make those things your hobby... reevaluate your values.
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I'd reach out to local leftist organizations in your area, there are tanginable things that many people can do.
Damn. I thought most of the criticism of Pelosi was just Era being a little overly militant in their progressivism. I was clearly wrong. She's terrible.
If you're in the Puyallup area, come to ours (Indivisble Puyallup) on South Hill in the Black Angus / Ram parking lot at 8:45 pm.
Well, maybe use the power I had when the bill for these organizations was being processed to negotiate into law that ICE could not perform such raids. Or, perhaps constantly expose the horrid conditions of the camps to arouse public outcry. Or do everything the publicly inform those in danger on how to stop an ICE member from arresting you.
Here's the thing, AOC has done the last two while Nancy did not even try to do the former. If the goal is to unite to fight Trump, Nancy isn't doing a good job compared to the people she's accusing of not unifying to fight Trump.
AOC doing what she did is what needs to be done for sure. But it isn't going to stop ice raids. Swaying public opinion won't stop it either it only serves to help win the next election which is what the entire focus should be on. Next week Trump and his admin will do something else horrific that no Democrat in the house would be able to stop either. Are we going to contort ourselves everytime to focus on the "failures" of Democrats while we continue to ignore the real problem.
I can focus both on Trump and the Democrats who enable him. And doing things to prevent something, even if it doesn't work, is far better optics for the election than "well I couldn't do anything to stop Trump so I didn't try, now please vote for me so I can stop Trump" And like, that's the thing, if your goal is "Get Trump out of office" then Pelosi is doing a far worse job of convincing others to vote by doing nothing. We unfortunately live in a place where saying "look at the horrible things Trump did" does not energize people to vote. If we rely solely on that, especially if it looks like the democrats are fine with it continuing by not doing anything, then we will lose 2020
Major protests happening against ICE and Pelosi in San Fran
They fantasized it would, but didn't actually think it would happen in reality. I have yet to meet a Trump supporter in real life that wasn't a racist. Specifically, they would not care less if every illegal in this country died at this moment. Not that they would admit it, bless their "Christian" hearts. And my family from the South is filled with them.
There needs to be more of these protests across the country.
I made a thread for the one scheduled tomorrow. It has one view... https://www.resetera.com/threads/li...igil-against-concentration-camps-7-12.128592/
I agree with you when it comes to optics but to me that is a separate issue from people acting like everyday trump is in office is another day Democrats let him be there.. Bullshit.. This was sealed as soon as that mother fucker won. He ignores oversight because he can not because a moderate or a progressive runs the minority opposition. Why do we need to be inspired to do the right thing? We already know what that is. We could general strike and surround ice on our own. Is that what 2020 is going to be like. People knowing what the right thing to do is but not doing it cuz we aren't inspired? There has always been one solution and that has always been the 2020 election. I fault pelosi and joe biden for bringing down enthusiasm but the rest is a distraction.
Oh yeah. She is in full thoughts and prayers about our nation.
there are about 750 events around the country tomorrow, will you be going to one?
From this to making legal immigrants wear some type of distinctive, "so we know they're legal" there's only a couple of steps.
For the most part that is how it goes sometimes. I wish I had more time to be more involved with this than I am. Something is better than none, right?
Damn progressives, stick to your twitter or whatever while we lob harsh words at Trump while tacitly endorsing his policies.
Nice, ours is by the black angus. I was thinking of going to the one at the Ice center in the Tacoma tide flats, but our group is hosting the Puyallup one.
I'll believe it when I see it. Last time this happened they said they'd get a million and only managed a couple of thousand
Look, somebody has to fund it, right? It's important to make it a bipartisan program.
The New Orleans one was already cancelled because of the Hurricane.
This plan is from someone desperate for adulation, even if it means a percentage point bump in polling. The implementors actually want to do it though.
This plan is from someone desperate for adulation, even if it means a percentage point bump in polling. The implementors actually want to do it though.
I know they're not coming to my city but still going to tell the handful of people I know to stay low.
Just because something is the law does not mean it is a good law
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I hope that people will unite and fight back. And I don't mean only brown folks, their 'legal' neighbors as well.
Fight against this gestapo shit.
Fight against this gestapo shit.
Naive. They would have been out there before anyone else protesting this shit if they actually walked the walk. Hell, they're the ones doing it and voting for these guys to allow this to happen.
Of all the people I would expect to give a shit about immigrants' wellbeing, evangelicals are at the bottom of the list.
The raids themselves don't really serve the purpose typically associated with such activities. Think of them as Trump's 2020 campaign ads. Which was why they were announced well in advance the way they were. They're a message to his base that says: "Look at me terrorizing the people that you hate and remember to vote for me in 2020." When his political opponent will inevitably accuse Trump of just sitting on his butt watching TV all year long, he'll point to actions like these to prove his accuser wrong. Count on these being recurring events whenever Trump feels his base could use some firing up and the weather's too rainy for a rally.
