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CNN: Lady Gaga facing pressure to condemn R. Kelly (with whom she collaborated as recently as 2015) (UP: Gaga responds)
- Thread starter uncelestial
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A demon? No, a demon is the person raping people.
Jesus, could we not bring hyperbolic PopGAF-esque crap into a serious topic?
Then why should the music industry not be condemned when they're doing the same things?
Why wouldn't the public be upset about the activities R. Kelly's done or ok with Lady Gaga normalising R. Kelly and helping him stay relevant? What's the difference between R. Kelly and Roman Polanski?
uncelestial Curious if the song in the OP is gross because it's R Kelly singing it or another reason?
Obviously he's gross, a predator, a criminal, should be in prison, etc... but I just watched that video you linked and the song wasn't any grosser than any other pop song from the past 30 years.
Obviously he's gross, a predator, a criminal, should be in prison, etc... but I just watched that video you linked and the song wasn't any grosser than any other pop song from the past 30 years.
funny how people would probably berate Nicki over working with 6ix9ine etc but give Gaga a pass
wonder what the difference is
wonder what the difference is
its actually not for her. she received criticism for working with him in 2013 and in the following years, continued to do performances with him, and filmed a video that basically advocated rape. she's dug a deep hole and didn't apologize for any of it when it was common sense then, and even more glaring now. apologizing makes her look like a giant hypocrite (which she is).
Well considering she's spoken out on him before means we actually know in part what she thinks. Not too mention the lack of saying anything else, then and now, also speaks volumes.
This entire thing was started by a group of Anti-Gaga fans on Twitter.
When pics of Rihanna wearing R. Kelly merch surfaced this week, not a single thing happened. And no one is saying anything about the men who collared with him.
I don't any of these people actually care about Gaga condemning him. It's all petty Twitter stan war b.s.
EDIT: It's about more than just a shirt. Search "cancel Rihanna" on Twitter to see the conversation taking place. There's a lot of faux outrage against Gaga because she's back in the spotlight and having a moment again. People are being incredibly disingenuous about their care for any of the abuse survivors and are using it as an excuse to instigate childish fandom wars.
When pics of Rihanna wearing R. Kelly merch surfaced this week, not a single thing happened. And no one is saying anything about the men who collared with him.
I don't any of these people actually care about Gaga condemning him. It's all petty Twitter stan war b.s.
EDIT: It's about more than just a shirt. Search "cancel Rihanna" on Twitter to see the conversation taking place. There's a lot of faux outrage against Gaga because she's back in the spotlight and having a moment again. People are being incredibly disingenuous about their care for any of the abuse survivors and are using it as an excuse to instigate childish fandom wars.
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Wait, seems you're twisting things a bit. Never did I say the public shouldn't be outraged by R. KELLY'S behavior. I'm just not in agreement with the public DEMANDING an apology or statement from Lady Gaga on HIS situation.
And how do we know artists that have worked with R. Kelly in the past don't have to sign some sort of NDA or gag order? He may be a disgusting perv, but he seems cunning and controlling as fuck.
It's gross because R Kelly's dirty laundry was already all out there, and she goes ahead and makes a song/performance with him where she sings "do what you want with my body" over and over while engaging in sexual positions with him. It was just completely wrong. Then she made a video (which was directed by another sexual predator) which her label deemed so problematic that they didn't even release it.
Add the fact that she followed this with a campaign pretending she was a champion for sexual assaults victims, while at the same time refusing to condemn R Kelly and even defending him, and it all adds up to paint a really gross picture.
What difference does it make when she's made a whole persona crafted around caring for sexual assault survivors but refusing to speak on the multiple people she's worked with that HURT WOMEN?
Are you serious? She has gone beyond just wearing an R Kelly tshirt. She's gone way farther to support him.
An unnoficial remix that R did on his own, Beyonce never acknowledged or placed it on the remix CD.
They shouldn't have to be demanding anything, it's ethically the right thing to do. Lady Gaga's spent a lot of time building up her credibility in the sort of issues so this being an exception people are going to be angry she's being a hypocrite. Whether the reasons for this are professional or personal in nature. This being professional, I'd give her some slack considering how bad the music industry is supposed to be behind the scenes - but personal. That's disappointing.
They shouldn't be working with R.Kelly in the first place. This is true.
Just say what you're implying instead of dancing around it.
https://uproxx.com/hiphop/kendrick-lamar-xxxtentacion-spotify-ban/
Kendrick got little to no push back on this. It was a short headline and died very quickly. And when Kendrick drops his next album, there will be a multi-page thread here on Era.
yeah wearing a t-shirt is equivalent to lining his wallet and letting him rape her in a music video and hump her on stage
You called her a "demon" on the previous page. Given how you posted earlier, it's clear you have an axe to grind if you think this woman is some kind of biblical monster.
Do you have this same energy for R. Kelly himself, or any of the male artost that he's worked closely with?
The irony of you getting angry over Gaga working with Terry, meanwhile...
If she doesn't speak out, you'll hate her. If she does, you'll be the first saying "it's too Late she's cancelled!!"
Well yea I get that. That's what I said. The song isn't gross it's the dude singing it, and potentially also lady Gaga too based on her doing it with him in the first place and not distancing herself or condemnin him.
Just thought it was odd to specify that the duet is gross when it's a typical pop song, seemed out of place when there is a child rapist running around. Not exactly on topic so I won't engage anymore, just was curious about that line in the op.
LmfaooooYou called her a "demon" on the previous page. Given how you posted earlier, it's clear you have an axe to grind if you think this woman is some kind of biblical monster.
Do you have this same energy for R. Kelly himself, or any of the male artost that he's worked closely with?
The irony of you getting angry over Gaga working with Terry, meanwhile...
If she doesn't speak out, you'll hate her. If she does, you'll be the first saying "it's too Late she's cancelled!!"
Yes I do.Do you have this same energy for R. Kelly himself, or any of the male artost that he's worked closely with?
The irony of you getting angry over Gaga working with Terry, meanwhile...
If she doesn't speak out, you'll hate her. If she does, you'll be the first saying "it's too Late she's cancelled!!"
And Madonna is also trash, but at least she hasn't released an entire ass book with Terry Richardson, or hasn't worked with him on music videos. She worked on him for one magazine photoshoot. She definitely needs to condemn him. Don't play these "well why isn't ____ condemning ___!!!!!!!" games.
I added this edit to my post above for clarification:
It's about more than just a shirt. Search "cancel Rihanna" on Twitter to see the conversation taking place. There's a lot of faux outrage against Gaga because she's back in the spotlight and having a moment again. People are being incredibly disingenuous about their care for any of the abuse survivors and are using it as an excuse to instigate childish fandom wars.
It's about more than just a shirt. Search "cancel Rihanna" on Twitter to see the conversation taking place. There's a lot of faux outrage against Gaga because she's back in the spotlight and having a moment again. People are being incredibly disingenuous about their care for any of the abuse survivors and are using it as an excuse to instigate childish fandom wars.
Support is support. Was she wearing that shirt after a video of Kelly pissing on a 14-year-old was known to exist? Yes.
You are playing favorites and trying to turn this into some sort of pop "stan" war under the guise of wanting to discuss topic at hand.
This is a serious topic. You two talking about Gaga being a "demon" and coming into the thread specifically to start some weird Nicki Minaj vs. Lady Gaga nonsense is a bit disingenuous.
And it really should be said that the basis for why you came into the thread doesn't make sense. You posted that people berated Nicki but Gaga is getting a "pass" ... in a thread about the backlash Gaga is now getting.
People defended Nicki and argued against her. People are defending Gaga and arguing against her (in the very thread you're in).
Shes an idiot. There's literally a tape of him pissing on a 14 year old. Anyone who isn't a complete fucking moron knew in the mid to late 2000s when he went on trial that he's a pedo creep. The only reason he was acquitted is because jurors are as dirt-stupid as Lady Gaga is. But who cares what Lady Gaga says about this or anything. Don't look to dipshit celebrities to be advocates or good people.
Jay Z also doest mind getting rough with girls.
https://youtu.be/IRy6ElxxylM
also take a look at how many celebs signed the Polanski petition.
Gaga may well be just another hypocrite
Expect a response only if she can milk that for good publicity during her Oscar tour
If they ever did it would be a nonstop barrage. Dozens of artists going back decades in all walks of music would get caught up in it. It would be massive.
The reason this is finally happening to Kelly is because of the #MeToo movement.
But make no mistake, Hollywood has not gone "full #MeToo." There are still plenty of people in Hollywood who won't speak up. Hollywood is not fixed.
Edit: And rhandino makes a good point with Kesha. I'm sure plenty of women in the industry saw the hell she went through and think, "It's not worth speaking up. I don't want to go through that."
Gaga responds
Coming into this thread going "what about Rihanna??" adds nothing to the discussion. The reason Rihanna isn't getting this level of backlash isn't because of some anti GaGa twitter campaign. It's because Rihanna hasn't simultaneously supported both R Kelly and sexual abuse victims in the past. She didn't make a sexually charged song with R Kelly and perform it while letting R Kelly hump her. She didn't come to R Kelly's defense while also pushing the narrative that she is a champion for sexual assaults victims. That she has supported R Kelly, like so many others, is also gross but it doesn't take much to see why she isn't getting this level of press.
fake edit: god bless.
fake edit: god bless.
The real tea is that she tried as hard as possible to make something congruent with her shock jock shtick that her fans would eat up considering she'd already tapped the well dry doing stupid shit starting from the beginning of her career. She knew exactly who R Kelly is and what he was capable of.
Hopefully she doesn't contradict herself again in the future.
Hopefully she doesn't contradict herself again in the future.
Her commentary on the song itself is interesting. I always thought the song was dark (the album in general sort of was), and her live performances seemed troubled as well. (I seem to recall one awkward one at a piano.) I can believe how she describes her mental state at the time because it seemed like something was up, though I am also aware of how it's sometimes easy to find the words to defend one's self-image, whether they are 100% honest or not (I've regrettably done this when younger). I'm very curious what the label was thinking at the time.
Removing the song from online platforms is an unexpected move. I also find it interesting that she references another song she wrote on the subject.
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Surprised she didnt go for the "There can be a hundred people in the room and 99 dont believe in you..."
Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. I would say she should just replace it with the Christina version but she might want to just disassociate from the song completely at this point.
That album era was definitely the lowest in her career and the entire public pretty much collectively hated her when that album came out.
She took full responsibility for her actions, didn't shift the blame on to anyone else, acknowledged that what she did wasn't right, and has since/will continue to take action to rectify it. Exactly how an apology should be.