I shudder to think of the irrational, power hungry sycophants that still feel comfortable being Trump's lackey after seeing how Cohen got sold out so quickly for all his years of loyalty.
POC overwhelmingly rejected him in 2016. I don't think very modest wage gains are going to get them to break for a fucking white nationalist. White people and 70k votes in three states are why he won. He didn't win by a "wide margin." The electoral college, a tool to enshrine white supremacy, broke for him because of those three states.
Does that really matter? He said he hadn't known about the payments until much more recently so he already lied about it. This is evidence he knew and approved that payments, the payment method is kind of a non issue, yeah?
Wages are crawling while companies have spent alot of their money from the tax gains on corporate enrichment. This is far from what the tax bill promised and the tax bill is a loser thus far in polling.I truly admire your confidence, but a win is hardly a lock. If unemployment remains low and wages keep rising (especially for POC) - Trump will win re-election by a wider margin than in 2016.
The WikiLeaks pre Assange stuck in an embassay/their donations not being blocked and the WikiLeaks after might as well be two completely different orgs.
I heard this before. It didn't turn out well.
Betting odds have Trump as a huge favorite, which makes sense because we don't know the Dem candidate for 2020 yet. Saying that Trump will definitely lose without even knowing the Dem candidate is reckless.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2020/winner
But then... why go to such lengths to cover up the affairs? When Trump was single/recently divorced, he was bragging constantly about how much action he got. This is a total reversal.Yo, what planet are you on where Melania gives any shits about who Trump bangs? Their marriage is a baby making contract, and for appearances. They haven't even slept in the same room in years. She's not some bastion of morality who won't stand for her husband cheating, she entered into a marriage contract with Donald fucking Trump. She's probably glad he goes after other women so he doesn't bother her with his little chick pea hiding in blonde steel wool.
They just don't cover it, so there are no talking points.Lol....curious what the FOX News talking point about this would be... Turned it on and most seems to be them complaining that Cohen is using a "Democratic operative" as his lawyer...calling Cohen's current lawyer "(Bill) Clinton's fixer"
Again- if you're expecting indictment or impeachment, you're setting yourself up for continual disappointment. That's on you.
He can't get a pardon. Something about the state of New York doing this investigation and not the feds...or something like that. I dunno. Too much of a whirlwind.Think we can all assume Cohen might be angling for a pardon but a little bit of me wants to believe he's seen Trump throw many and I mean many people under the bus and he isn't going to succumb to it.
I guess we'll see.
He can't get a pardon. Something about the state of New York doing this investigation and not the feds...or something like that. I dunno. Too much of a whirlwind.
What I think is happening is Mueller paid Cohen a visit and basically laid out his options and gave him a hard dose or truthiness and Cohen shit his pants. Remember -- he has a wife and a child.
This is what I was referring to : https://www.vox.com/2018/4/18/17252554/trump-cohen-new-york-state-lawsIt's a federal case so a pardon would be possible. It would remove any 5th amendment protection though so Trump's legal team might be weary.
This is what I was referring to : https://www.vox.com/2018/4/18/17252554/trump-cohen-new-york-state-laws
Am I mistaken? Or has something changed, lol...I'm having a hard time keeping up between a porn star, a playboy playmate and the President of Russia.....
Yea back in the real world, saying publicly you knew nothing about a sex scandal like this and then a tape coming out where you were talking about payments to squash said scandal right before an election while you were campaigning and you were married would have been your end.
All this hair splitting over cash vs check is pretty ridiculous and is the kind of thing that allows trump to always get away with this kind of stuff.
People should step back and take a bigger picture look as to what this tape confirms and remember not more than a few years ago this would have been a career ender for anyone in any type of office.
It all depends on how they lay out the charges. Everybody involved in these investigations seem mindful of pardons and double jeopardy so I wouldn't worry about that too much.He can't get a pardon. Something about the state of New York doing this investigation and not the feds...or something like that. I dunno. Too much of a whirlwind.
What I think is happening is Mueller paid Cohen a visit and basically laid out his options and gave him a hard dose or truthiness and Cohen shit his pants. Remember -- he has a wife and a child.
Edit : yeah here is the article. Even with a pardon, Cohen is not off the hook. He is looking for a deal with the law at this point. https://www.vox.com/2018/4/18/17252554/trump-cohen-new-york-state-laws
NY is actually looking to change that law as we speak. http://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...legislation-to-prosecute-despite-presidentialNew York law prevents charging someone with crimes for which they were pardoned for on the federal level. So if Trump pardons him he can't be charged for the same crimes by NY state.
It doesn't have anything to do with his marriage. It's because he's the President. He has to at least attempt to maintain the image that he's a Christian family man and a good husband. Melania dont give a fuck, she's the first lady, rich as fuck and one of the most famous women in the world. They're not married because they love eachother lol, it's a mutually beneficial contract.But then... why go to such lengths to cover up the affairs? When Trump was single/recently divorced, he was bragging constantly about how much action he got. This is a total reversal.
These aren't rumors of abortions, rape or underage sex (though those all exist), this is consensual vanilla sex. There haven't been any embarrassing stories associated with the affairs either, so it must be about maintaining his marriage.
Also, Cohen has yet to be indicted for anything anywhere. Just like Manafort, they could leave out multiple applicable charges to save for state prosecutors.NY is actually looking to change that law as we speak. http://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...legislation-to-prosecute-despite-presidential
here is the status of it right now.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/s8236
its in committee. so by the time cohen is charged etc. they could still bag him at a state level or trump himself lmao.
yep. so by the time they pass the law hes hosed even with a pardon.
It was weird hearing Trump speaking in his "real" voice rather than the TV pitchman act or the bumbling old man act.
On a totally unrelated note, but still in Trump/Putin world - the founder of the feminist group Femen found in her apt dead by 'suicide' : http://thehill.com/homenews/398727-feminist-protest-movement-founder-found-dead-in-apartment
Putin is such a great leader to try to build relations with.
It doesn't have anything to do with his marriage. It's because he's the President. He has to at least attempt to maintain the image that he's a Christian family man and a good husband. Melania dont give a fuck, she's the first lady, rich as fuck and one of the most famous women in the world. They're not married because they love eachother lol, it's a mutually beneficial contract.
Correct. This mentality will cost Dems the 2020 election too if they don't at least attempt some sort of messaging that isn't shouting down people all the time. Also it's funny that you mention the infighting over pointless minutae when you have cnn doing just the same thing...It reminds me of the Hobbit where Bilbo tricks the trolls into arguing among themselves for so long that they turn to stone and he escapes unhurt. Dems fuck this kind of stuff up so often because of the bickering and infighting. All the ultra-sages and the super-wokes will savage eachother in purity contests while the right sticks together no matter what. Repubs stuck by a fucking pedophile and only just lost that election; dems would disown a candidate for making the slightest 'problematic' comment or mistake.
I'll save you the time and trouble: it's not.
It's mathematically impossible for him to be removed by impeachment, and it's not constitutionally possible for him to be indicted, especially with the current make up of the SCOTUS.
You've set the bar at an unattainable height and (along with countless others) are now poo-pooing on every new development for failing to take us there.
His pre-nups for his past wives were nuts. I'm sure being married to Trump is much more beneficial to her than divorcing him.Is she independently wealthy? Because after all his marriages, I'm thinking he probably had a decent pre-nup, but then again his legal team isn't the best.
Your arrogance and hubris in expanding Trumps base to people being too "realistic" is the kind of Liberal piousness that legitimizes all purity test complaints. It's insulting to call someone a Trump supporter. It's hurtful. It's intimidation. Count me among Trump haters who also predicts nothing will come of this even if Karen McDougal has a 3 hour HD video Trump confession / sex tape.
If Republicans will continue to ignore rape allegations, the Steele Dossier, Trump Foundation Fraud, Trump University Fraud, TD Trump Deutschland AG fraud, Helsinki, and Shark Week sex - they will also ignore this.
Our only hope is impeachment. If the economy is doing well nothing will stop his re-election. And that is only possible with straight-up irrefutable evidence of Trump personally colluding with Russia. Even then, who knows with this congress. Let's hope Mueller has the goods.
I'll save you the time and trouble: it's not.
It's mathematically impossible for him to be removed by impeachment, and it's not constitutionally possible for him to be indicted, especially with the current make up of the SCOTUS.
You've set the bar at an unattainable height and (along with countless others) are now poo-pooing on every new development for failing to take us there.
The cold, sad truth.
Trump has ushered in an era where objective truth barely matters. He will call out 'FAKE NEWS' and people will go about their day because that's how everyone of these scandals have turned out. It's been completely normalized at this point, and his tactic is working. Is anyone today still talking about the ridiculous Helsinki summit? It's already in the back of most people's minds because there's a scandal a day with this guy in charge. People have become acclimatised to this new status quo.
The man is virtually untouchable by scandals. People need to realize this. There isn't some shield that's slowly eroding with each and every scandal until the bubble finally bursts. It's a fallacy.
The only way to fix this is to spread the word and vote. Nothing matters more.
I don't know where you're getting this idea that a sitting President can't be indicted. That has never been settled in the courts or any law. It's a yet to be tested question currently.
...That said, if you're not expecting anything of new developments, I'd argue you've set the bar too low...
I don't know where you're getting this idea that a sitting President can't be indicted. That has never been settled in the courts or any law. It's a yet to be tested question currently.
And who, exactly, would be settling this hypothetical question, should it arise? What's the current political makeup of this group? What's about to happen to that political makeup pending a new appointment?
He's not getting indicted.
It reminds me of the Hobbit where Bilbo tricks the trolls into arguing among themselves for so long that they turn to stone and he escapes unhurt. Dems fuck this kind of stuff up so often because of the bickering and infighting. All the ultra-sages and the super-wokes will savage eachother in purity contests while the right sticks together no matter what. Repubs stuck by a fucking pedophile and only just lost that election; dems would disown a candidate for making the slightest 'problematic' comment or mistake.
If Mueller finds sufficient evidence of wrongdoing on Trump's part, he will obtain an indictment against him.
That Mueller would attempt to indict the president. It's not a widely held belief in the legal world that the president can be indicted.
I'm in the legal world, hence why I said it's an open question. There is no definitive answer as it's never happened before. The closest in modern history was Bill Clinton and the Court, at the very least, stated that he had to appear for his famous deposition clarifying that the President was not immune from such a process specifically when it concerns conduct which occurred before becoming President.
This question has never been tested because the common belief that any President about to be indicted would be impeached thus making the question moot. But, this current Congress and the prevalence of FAKE NEWS may make it so that any indictment wouldn't be respected and chalked up to partisan hackery. Thus, the question would finally be resolved then.
"Anything" includes a whole range of possibilities other than impeachment or indictment. I even went so far as to list several of them out in an earlier post.