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CNN: Sinead O'Connor converts to Islam and changes name to Shuhada'
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And the name she chose is worrying as well as it mean martyrs in Arabic.
I fear that only is she going cause a lot of problem for Muslim but given that she suffers from mental illness and is vulnerable I worry that she will end up being a suicide bomber.
I have never met a revert but my ex-boss is a Muslim and he was super arrogant and kept preaching about his religion and just would not shut up. He also held some dumb views like believing that mental illness was a western disease nor did he understand why people would commit suicide.
The dude is also a sexist idiot as he openly said that if he didn't have religion he would be a player and would cheat on his wife, he also admitted that he tells his atheist friend that why doesn't he just cheat on his girlfriend if he doesn't believe in god and didn't understand why his friend got annoyed at him. He clearly thinks that being a Muslim is gives him a sense of morals which is ridiculous as I am an ex-Muslim and I haven't lost my sense of morals.
Also one of my cousin-in-law is a bit of an idiot and is a homophobic even saying that gays should just go back into their closet and was comparing it to a lost of morals and if we accept homosexual how long will it be till we accept pedo. I even challenged him on that asking him that doesn't Islam teaches not to judge others and only let god judge them? But nope he wasn't having any of that.
He's also very controlling of my cousin, doesn't let her see her mother and has stated that he isn't going let his daughter go to school.
Same.
She's a person with a lot of mental issues whose past I would not wish on anybody. If this is how she finds some mental peace, I'll gladly grant her that.
Broadcasting this thing and now giving her continuous public lashings is, at this point, just...
(and no, I'm not a fan of any abrahamic religion, for very obvious reasons)
Well yeah we're talking about Sinead O'Connor here. It's kind of her thing.
There is no such thing as an "intelligent theologian", as theology cannot be deduced, Abrahmic religions in particular are dogmatic by its very nature. Big difference between studying religion from a historical and societal aspect, but theology that tries to explain/prove concepts in religion is complete nonsense like psychics/palm reading/tarot cards/etc when it's used to "deduce". Any "intelligent theologian" would never conclude that, such a theologian is just a biased adherent that seeks to validate, it's just subvert attempts of influence and conversion of others.
Ludwig Feuerbach's works are good place to start reading about the criticism of theology.
Ludwig Feuerbach's works are good place to start reading about the criticism of theology.
Hmm the belief is that the Bible was altered by Constantine or others thus destroying it's original purity. Introducing uncertainties.One thing i'll never understand is how can you believe that a religion that appeared 500 years after christianity is the one true religion?It's like that old meme
Therefore, the Archangel Gabriel gave again the words of god to Mohammed, so that there would be no doubt as to its authenticity.
That is why there are lots of similarities
He gave the word to a dude that couldn't read or write, in a cave and somehow no one else saw Gabriel?All religions are bs, but Islam just doesn't make any sense.
I don't think that's true. Quran specifically states that Christians and Jews not to be converted to Muhammad's religion. Kafirun 109 says "To you your religion, to me mine" about their beliefs. Quran also states in same surah that everyone shall practice the religion they choose and none can interfere that. That alone shows there are no superiority between religions in Quran.
Quran never mentions Islam as Superior but as pure. Quran predicts unlike Christians and Jews, followers of Muhammed will protect their book from changes and additions. It predicts it'll remain as pure as it was when it descended. It says both testament books were corrupted with later additions but still valid holy books to people who believe them. Those people are called "Ahl-e Qutb", or "people of the book". They're considered as believers and their lives are not be interfered. All Arabic empires gave the people of the book protection to some degree but relations with European nations always complicated things.
User Banned (1 Week): Islamophobia over a series of posts
That we can agree on, but Islam makes the least sense and I'll never understand how people can believe that crap.
I'll never be not puzzled by the name change thing. There must be some sort of true-ism implication bound to islamic faith somewhere I can't grasp.
This is just another conversion (of many) she had... and most likely not her last by the way.
In any case, she hasn't been well for ages. Mental illness is nothing to laugh about.
In any case, she hasn't been well for ages. Mental illness is nothing to laugh about.
Correct and well informed post. I will just add that during the Arab expansion into the Middle East and North Africa, the people of the book were taxed a little bit more than converts. But, like you said, they were left alone. Not what happened to the Muslims that were in Spain when the caliphate was expunged
That price must go to Mormons, hands down. Somehow arguing that Jesus discovered North America, did most of the stuff he is famous for there, and then whisked away back to ancient Palestine in time for his crucifixion.
Got some hot takes here, I see.
I believe that crap.
It's not enough getting awkward looks from racists at work, or being constantly demonized on Fox News.
Tell me how YOU really feel.
What hot takes?All religions are bullshit and Islam is no different.I don't care if you're offended by facts.
Most religious people believe scripture points to the truth of their religion.
Unfortunately, they can't all be correct.
Hint: they can all be wrong.
One thing i'll never understand is how can you believe that a religion that appeared 500 years after christianity is the one true religion?It's like that old meme
I don't think there's anything particularly different about Islam's believability compared to other religions.
Yes, it's all BS.
I don't see how Christianity is any more believable. We don't even know for sure if a historical Jesus even existed. The current Bible books clearly chosen and cannonized. Tons of internal contradictions. Myths clearly borrowed from other religions. The Trinity is a mess, etc.
One thing i'll never understand is how can you believe that a religion that appeared 500 years after christianity is the one true religion?It's like that old meme
How many different versions of the bible are there though?
Yeah people here don't care about any of that though. They'd rather play the edgy teenager atheist card. "All religious are BS also I am so smart!".
Obviously I don't believe in christianity either since I'm an atheist.What I ment is Islam makes less sense considering it appeared 500-600 years after christianity and was obviously inspired by it.
What does that even matter?
Martyrs? Hope she's not going hardline with this.
Of course doomsday was supposed to happen soon after Islam became a thing but life goes on 14 centuries later. Whoops I guess.
Well Islam was established as an end of the road kind of religion with Muhammed being the last messenger. An end all be all affair.
Of course doomsday was supposed to happen soon after Islam became a thing but life goes on 14 centuries later. Whoops I guess.
I don't agree with your assessment.
You just ignorned my points. Your point might be valid if Islam accepted everything from Christianity and then added (like Christianity on judaism) but it doesn't. If it's a "correction" , coming later is irrelevant.
Just because your an atheist it doesn't mean youre arguments are sound. In this case, they aren't
Ooh, this is perfect.
The Christians are the PlayStation Fanboys
The Jews are the Nintendo fanboys
The Muslims are Xbox fanboys
And the Athiests are the PC Master Race.
It wasn't inspired by it though. A continuation or evolution or the purest form of the Abrahamic religions. That firmly places Jesus into the same level as the other prophets so to speak.
There's god, then the prophets. Jesus retains his role as the coming messiah, is considered birthed by a virgin but is the word of god. Not his son.
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Unfortunately it's not the same. Unlike subjective value assessments, religions all make claims about reality that can be objectively assessed.
It's not all opinion.
Now that he's banned, can I just point out that this guy is one of the most obnoxious users on this site?
Phew, I feel better.
On topic— while I'm glad she's found something fulfilling, I think her take is a bit reductory. The point of accepting a faith is that it's right for you, irrespective of the other stuff she is claiming.
Still really strange news to wake up to. I remember when Cat Stevens converted people were burning his albums.
So, I expect people to burn their...Spotify...play..lists? How do you do that kind of outrage in 2018...
Still really strange news to wake up to. I remember when Cat Stevens converted people were burning his albums.
So, I expect people to burn their...Spotify...play..lists? How do you do that kind of outrage in 2018...
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Good for her, and what a beautiful name. That name btw cannot be phonetically pronounced in English
And to all the ignorant posters here, when you pick a religion, you have to do so by acknowledging the other religions are false, so there is nothing wrong in what she said.
And to all the ignorant posters here, when you pick a religion, you have to do so by acknowledging the other religions are false, so there is nothing wrong in what she said.
Isn't this essentially what everyone who believes really feels? The idea of joining a religious institution means to me you believe that above all other, so by extension, you feel you've chose the "right" answer and every other is "wrong"
It's all redundant anyway, as although I have no problem with individual belief (as long you don't ascribe to the shitty sides of a faith) the institution of all religions is rotten to the core, so don't know why anyone would willingly choose to join them.
It's all redundant anyway, as although I have no problem with individual belief (as long you don't ascribe to the shitty sides of a faith) the institution of all religions is rotten to the core, so don't know why anyone would willingly choose to join them.
Islam believes the original, unchanged Christianity and original, unchanged Judaism are both the one true religion and carry the same message. At the heart of it, It's the belief of monotheism, without associating partners or sons to God like the Christians did with Jesus.
To sum it up:
Jews reject Jesus
Christians worship Jesus
Muslims believe in Jesus, but only as a Prophet like Moses and Abraham that came before him.
Nah, that's mostly just a Muslim/Christian thing. Most other religions can coexist just fine and have very syncretic followers.
They can't all be correct? It seems most of them agree on key points. The main differences seem to be in methods and traditions.
I don't get this logic. You don't have to denounce other religions when you choose one. All you are doing is choosing a way of life that you feel strongly about.
Actually Muslims and Christians coexisted just fine in the Arab countries for hundred years with no problem until the European countries came and divided the people.
Also to your second comment, you should see how Muslims are treated in Xinjiang.
When you enter Islam, you say something called the Shahada, which translates to:
"There is no god but God."
So yes, you have to denounce the other regions to become a Muslim.
It was in response to Catholic sex abuse of kids, so it was only directed at Christianity.
On topic, Good for her. She sounds a little weird though, going with the name "martyrs" in Arabic. I fear she is going to go full salaf, with a complete abaya with niqab and all. But I'm happy for her and hope the faith gives her peace.
I'd say that award should go to any thread involving Apple/iphones or android.
Very interesting. Why, what's the phonetic transcription? What sounds would make it impossible?
Well, not all religions work like this, for example, japanese Buddhism and Shintoism aren't mutually exclusive at all. But even if this is the only possible way, it's a pretty arrogant thing to say
Most religions agree on key points? I really really doubt that. Like, which?
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Agreed with most of what you say but I argued against your statement that Islam is just for the arabs. That simply isn't true.
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Other religions also believe in God, no? Even then, you can take that statement to mean that you are committing to a single belief system rather than denouncing others.
That there's something universal and omnipresent that runs throughout everything. The surrounding canon and practices are where the differences lie.