Code Vein |OT| Prepare To Spa

SmokedSalmon · Oct 6, 2019

ExitPlanetDust said:
I've been messing around with hair extensions and now I'm running into the accessory limit. Not being able to swap faces or adjust body type is starting to annoy me a bit as well. I made a pretty convincing Momiji, but I can't swap to a more appropriate face without dropping back to a new save.

I really hope they patch in the ability to totally re-edit your character in a committed game.

!!! I want to see.

Yeah, I would also be interested in being able to totally re-edit your character. That was a really cool aspect of the Nioh 2 demo for me. Seeing as you can save presets too, it would only make sense to be able to change your character.

Kalentan · Oct 6, 2019

Does it force you into NG+? I'm pretty close to the end. Like very close.

Deleted member 25870 · Oct 6, 2019

SmokedSalmon said:
!!! I want to see.

Yeah, I would also be interested in being able to totally re-edit your character. That was a really cool aspect of the Nioh 2 demo for me. Seeing as you can save presets too, it would only make sense to be able to change your character.

Posted in the characters thread.

SmokedSalmon · Oct 6, 2019

Kalentan said:
Does it force you into NG+? I'm pretty close to the end. Like very close.

No, after you beat the game continuing will return you right before the final battle. To start NG+ you have to go back to home base and examine the exit which will now have an icon on it. You'll be given the NG+ option of either: going though the story again at the same level of difficulty at your current level or going though the story again at a high difficulty at your current level.

The only things that don't carry over as far as I can tell are the Depth maps and the vestiges fragments (don't worry though, you do keep the blood codes).

ExitPlanetDust said:
Posted in the characters thread.

Thanks, looks great!

SunhiLegend · Oct 6, 2019

Kalentan · Oct 6, 2019

So I beat it.

Ultimately I liked it but it's got quite a few things I'd like to see improved.

So first the Good.

1. I liked the story and the characters. They were all fairly likable. I thought the vestiges and their memories were well done even if lacked visual variety.
2. Wealth of build options.
3. Combat generally was pretty fun if a bit weightless at times. Getting to quick dodge really helped make it feel better.
4. Generally the bosses were pretty alright if a bit on the easy side.

The Bad.

1. The level design ranges from incredibly mediocre to just straight bad with the Anime Londo level being the worst for both it's length and lack of any interesting mechanics to keep the area interesting. It also likes to repeat stuff way too often.
2. Having both variety and no variety at the same time. Ultimately most zones in the game are in ruins of some kinds which is expected for a post-apocalyptic game but still got a bit tiring after awhile.
3. Enemy variety is pretty low. You fight the same enemies from start to finish with some areas having maybe 1 to 2 unique enemies with the rest being returns.
4. Seriously, could we get a female boss that is humanoid that doesn't have giant breasts with jiggle physics?

So overall I'll be there to check out a sequel but I hope it can get a bigger budget and improve on the bad. Also the combat having a bit more heft to it would be nice.

Peradam · Oct 6, 2019

Has anyone played around with buff stacking? I started today after focusing on mastering gifts, but I wish I'd begun sooner because it's pretty broken and it could've made a few bosses a little easier.

This was all done with a +9 obliterator axe using mid/later-game gifts on my level 1 character, so higher levels would no doubt achieve higher damage figures. I also tried it on a few of the depths bosses (only as far as the snow area).

17155 damage against the training bag at the base...

I went back and tried swapping things out and using the hp->ichor gift. This next one is much improved but contains a partner spoiler for late-ish game, watch at your own risk, but I eventually managed to one-shot the snow area boss. I also hit the training bag for 32956 damage:

I'm sure there are more ways to increase damage but I haven't finished the game and still need to get all the codes, play around with the gifts, etc.

Deleted member 2834 · Oct 6, 2019

Peradam said:
Has anyone played around with buff stacking? I started today after focusing on mastering gifts, but I wish I'd begun sooner because it's pretty broken and it could've made a few bosses a little easier.

This was all done with a +9 obliterator axe using mid/later-game gifts on my level 1 character, so higher levels would no doubt achieve higher damage figures. I also tried it on a few of the depths bosses (only as far as the snow area).

17155 damage against the training bag at the base...

I went back and tried swapping things out and using the hp->ichor gift. This next one is much improved but contains a partner spoiler for late-ish game, watch at your own risk, but I eventually managed to one-shot the snow area boss. I also hit the training bag for 32956 damage:

I'm sure there are more ways to increase damage but I haven't finished the game and still need to get all the codes, play around with the gifts, etc.

Which buffs do you suggest?

Deleted member 25870 · Oct 6, 2019

Peradam said:
Has anyone played around with buff stacking? I started today after focusing on mastering gifts, but I wish I'd begun sooner because it's pretty broken and it could've made a few bosses a little easier.

This was all done with a +9 obliterator axe using mid/later-game gifts on my level 1 character, so higher levels would no doubt achieve higher damage figures. I also tried it on a few of the depths bosses (only as far as the snow area).

17155 damage against the training bag at the base...

I went back and tried swapping things out and using the hp->ichor gift. This next one is much improved but contains a partner spoiler for late-ish game, watch at your own risk, but I eventually managed to one-shot the snow area boss. I also hit the training bag for 32956 damage:

I'm sure there are more ways to increase damage but I haven't finished the game and still need to get all the codes, play around with the gifts, etc.

I'm still lagging behind, but I'm already starting to stack status element gifts for damage. One of my builds has plasma, fire, poison, and adrenaline. I activate all and enjoy the stack while I carve through boss health. Haha, oh the mistakes you can make when the boss is only up for a few seconds.

roflwaffles · Oct 6, 2019

SunhiLegend said:

Your gifs are the best advertisement for any game.

Peradam · Oct 6, 2019

Imp the Dimp said:
Which buffs do you suggest?

I started with bridge to glory + flashing fang / blow of madness + any elemental weakness buff, which is good for the initial strike. Then I realised you could expend hp to gain ichor, replace any gifts you don't immediately need and keep stacking, which is what I did in the second video.

In normal gameplay I almost never stack this many buffs but I think this could be useful against bosses. I main the obliterator axe because it's really powerful for a halberd class weapon and can use that particular gift in the videos. I don't think I could get close to those values with a greatsword, for example.

ExitPlanetDust said:
I'm still lagging behind, but I'm already starting to stack status element gifts for damage. One of my builds has plasma, fire, poison, and adrenaline. I activate all and enjoy the stack while I carve through boss health. Haha, oh the mistakes you can make when the boss is only up for a few seconds.

Until now, I'd only stacked a couple of buffs while I kept other gifts equipped so I could master them, so I'm pretty late to this. There's a lot of trial and error for sure. The worst was always the rush to apply venom before the boss wrecks you and the buff runs out, because the cooldown is a pain in the arse.

Deleted member 25870 · Oct 6, 2019

Peradam said:
Until now, I'd only stacked a couple of buffs while I kept other gifts equipped so I could master them, so I'm pretty late to this. There's a lot of trial and error for sure. The worst was always the rush to apply venom before the boss wrecks you and the buff runs out, because the cooldown is a pain in the arse.

Yeah just stack them and activate all. With only a few elemental exceptions you'll enjoy a ridiculous damage multiplier. Combine with a single hard hit like Blow of Madness and you have one-shot potential if your level is right. Go further by equipping the one-handed mastery passive and you'll be dealing dps on par with broken projectile casts and well beyond what a heavy weapon can do.

texhnolyze · Oct 6, 2019

Just beat the game earlier, took me 30 hours according to Steam. But I don't think I get the best ending. I'll just watch the other ones on Youtube.

Kalentan said:
So I beat it.

Ultimately I liked it but it's got quite a few things I'd like to see improved.

So first the Good.

1. I liked the story and the characters. They were all fairly likable. I thought the vestiges and their memories were well done even if lacked visual variety.
2. Wealth of build options.
3. Combat generally was pretty fun if a bit weightless at times. Getting to quick dodge really helped make it feel better.
4. Generally the bosses were pretty alright if a bit on the easy side.

The Bad.

1. The level design ranges from incredibly mediocre to just straight bad with the Anime Londo level being the worst for both it's length and lack of any interesting mechanics to keep the area interesting. It also likes to repeat stuff way too often.
2. Having both variety and no variety at the same time. Ultimately most zones in the game are in ruins of some kinds which is expected for a post-apocalyptic game but still got a bit tiring after awhile.
3. Enemy variety is pretty low. You fight the same enemies from start to finish with some areas having maybe 1 to 2 unique enemies with the rest being returns.
4. Seriously, could we get a female boss that is humanoid that doesn't have giant breasts with jiggle physics?

So overall I'll be there to check out a sequel but I hope it can get a bigger budget and improve on the bad. Also the combat having a bit more heft to it would be nice.

Yeah, I do agree with most of your points. I hope this game is selling well enough to warrant a sequel, and I'll be there.

Kalentan · Oct 6, 2019

texhnolyze said:
Just beat the game earlier, took me 30 hours according to Steam. But I don't think I get the best ending. I'll just watch the other ones on Youtube.

Yeah, I do agree with most of your points. I hope this game is selling well enough to warrant a sequel, and I'll be there.

The other thing I'd like to see improved are the depths. I know they're optional content but they felt very low effort. I liked the idea of mini versions of the zones but I think they would have been better off just doing something like Nioh's side missions where you run through modified versions of the main levels. Didn't help that the major bosses of the depths were repeats of the main bosses who where then repeated again if the depth was of the same tile.

luffie · Oct 7, 2019

Kalentan said:
The other thing I'd like to see improved are the depths. I know they're optional content but they felt very low effort. I liked the idea of mini versions of the zones but I think they would have been better off just doing something like Nioh's side missions where you run through modified versions of the main levels. Didn't help that the major bosses of the depths were repeats of the main bosses who where then repeated again if the depth was of the same tile.

yeah man, i feel like what this game is crucially lacking in budget. They don't even have much marketing done. It's like they knew what they were doing, but lack the extra budget to do the final polishing.

Deleted member 8852 · Oct 7, 2019

Enjoying the game so far, still not sure what kind of build to focus on. For now I'm still being bullied by that

butterfly.

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

So questions regarding the ending... (Massive spoilers, obviously)

So they seem to imply that after Io becomes the blood tree thing, that years pass? It's kind of an awkward transition but Louis mentions, "In the years following" so, not sure if dubism or that's what really happened.

Also I'm a bit confused about the outside world. On one hand the characters say that there are horrors beyond the red mist and that all the transmissions coming from there are just cries for help... But then Jack says at the very end that he still wants to protect the outside from the dangers inside... But they seem to imply the outside is way worse? It's a bit confusing.

LossAversion · Oct 7, 2019

I was thinking of using the Bayonet but I switched to one-handed swords and I haven't looked back. The range on the bayonet is surprisingly limited and it feels a little cumbersome to use. When you try to dodge and fire it does a melee attack instead of firing the gun which is really inconvenient (and pointless, since you can use a weak attack if you want to melee after dodging). Some of the magic/abilities in this game are SO fun. It's taking a while to wrap my head around stunlocking/poise/parrying/etc. because it seems to be a lot different than it is in the Souls games. It actually seems a lot less forgiving (or consistent).

SmokedSalmon · Oct 7, 2019

Kalentan said:
So questions regarding the ending... (Massive spoilers, obviously)

So they seem to imply that after Io becomes the blood tree thing, that years pass? It's kind of an awkward transition but Louis mentions, "In the years following" so, not sure if dubism or that's what really happened.

Also I'm a bit confused about the outside world. On one hand the characters say that there are horrors beyond the red mist and that all the transmissions coming from there are just cries for help... But then Jack says at the very end that he still wants to protect the outside from the dangers inside... But they seem to imply the outside is way worse? It's a bit confusing.

I couldn't say for sure but I image their being honest when they say years have past. I think they it makes since for them to have stayed within the red mist for a while before deciding to leave.

I'd imagine in the same way that Louis is concerned if the outside world will accept Revenants, Jack is concerned about how the Revenants and the Lost will effect the outside world. So I think the idea is that they very much consider both the inside and outside to be very dangerous.

I'm curious as to when this game takes place on the God Eater timeline. There is the whole deal with Revenants losing their memory but it seems a bit weird that everyone would forget about the Aragami, especially when their are still humans that would remember on the inside too. I guess it could be the case that everything with the Queen and the red mist going up happened before the Aragami appeared.

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

SmokedSalmon said:
I couldn't say for sure but I image their being honest when they say years have past. I think they it makes since for them to have stayed within the red mist for a while before deciding to leave.

I'd imagine in the same way that Louis is concerned if the outside world will accept Revenants, Jack is concerned about how the Revenants and the Lost will effect the outside world. So I think the idea is that they very much consider both the inside and outside to be very dangerous.

I'm curious as to when this game takes place on the God Eater timeline. There is the whole deal with Revenants losing their memory but it seems a bit weird that everyone would forget about the Aragami, especially when their are still humans that would remember on the inside too. I guess it could be the case that everything with the Queen and the red mist going up happened before the Aragami appeared.

Aren't this and God Eater in different universes?

Kiria · Oct 7, 2019

Kalentan said:
Aren't this and God Eater in different universes?

seems not as they reveal towards the end when the red mist briefly vanished and a dyaus pita attacked

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

Kiria said:
seems not as they reveal towards the end when the red mist briefly vanished and a dyaus pita attacked

Oh shit so all of the horros that exist outside are the Aragami? So Revenants were created to fight Aragami but then that backfired? And I'm guessing in the time after the red mist showed up they must have developed the God Eater weapons. So then could we see Aragami show up in the DLC potentially?

Kiria · Oct 7, 2019

Kalentan said:
Oh shit so all of the horros that exist outside are the Aragami? So Revenants were created to fight Aragami but then that backfired? And I'm guessing in the time after the red mist showed up they must have developed the God Eater weapons. So then could we see Aragami show up in the DLC potentially?

Yes, they call Aragami's horrors here. The Gaol (red mist) afaik was created to barricade Aragami's but end up getting repurpose to not let the revenants go outside as for some of the dlc got datamined seems we are getting Vajura, Marduk and Gasou as bosses hopefully they add story dlc like god eater has

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

Kiria said:
Yes, they call Aragami's horrors here. The Gaol (red mist) afaik was created to barricade Aragami's but end up getting repurpose to not let the revenants go outside as for some of the dlc got datamined seems we are getting Vajura, Marduk and Gasou as bosses hopefully they add story dlc like god eater has

Man, suddenly my excitement or the game's future just went up a ton!

Kiria · Oct 7, 2019

Kalentan said:
would be nice if we get a timeline with AD calendar as it seems the Aragami's before the start of code vein wasn't as evolve as GE1 but likely code vein story lastled multiple decades

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

Kiria said:
would be nice if we get a timeline with AD calendar as it seems the Aragami's before the start of code vein wasn't as evolve as GE1 but likely code vein story lastled multiple decades

From what people were saying it needs to take place around GE1 due to the moon not being green.

Kiria · Oct 7, 2019

Kalentan said:
From what people were saying it needs to take place around GE1 due to the moon not being green.

I guess excited for it

sandboxgod · Oct 7, 2019

SunhiLegend said:

Nice!

Deleted member 2834 · Oct 7, 2019

I've committed the ultimate cardinal gamer sin of skipping pretty much all dialog (incl. all skippable memories) in the past couple of hours. This game has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much story for a Souls-like.

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

Imp the Dimp said:
I've committed the ultimate cardinal gamer sin of skipping pretty much all dialog (incl. all skippable memories) in the past couple of hours. This game has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much story for a Souls-like.

Didn't think there was a rule that the genre must have minimalist storytelling.

SmokedSalmon · Oct 7, 2019

Kalentan said:
From what people were saying it needs to take place around GE1 due to the moon not being green.

I think this needs to take place years before the first GE. The Red Mist was created to keep all the business with the Queen from escaping into the outside world. I imagine shortly after the Red Mist goes up the Aragami "outbreak" starts to happen. Soma was born during this time and he's 18 in the first GE. Since it doesn't look like the Code Vein characters are much older from when they fought the Queen to when the game starts I can't imagine 18 years have passed.

I could also see them saying that this takes place during GE3 and just saying "well everyone forgot" and that the Red Mist kept out GE2's Red Rain and GE3's Ash Storms and also the moon looks different from inside the mist or something like that.

Imp the Dimp said:
I've committed the ultimate cardinal gamer sin of skipping pretty much all dialog (incl. all skippable memories) in the past couple of hours. This game has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much story for a Souls-like.

If feel like at the end of the day this game is less Souls meets Anime and more Souls meets more conventional JRPGs.

Those memories are some of the most inspired moments in the game. There's a couple stinkers, but you should really check them out.

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

SmokedSalmon said:
I think this needs to take place years before the first GE. The Red Mist was created to keep all the business with the Queen from escaping into the outside world. I imagine shortly after the Red Mist goes up the Aragami "outbreak" starts to happen. Soma was born during this time and he's 18 in the first GE. Since it doesn't look like the Code Vein characters are much older from when they fought the Queen to when the game starts I can't imagine 18 years have passed.

I could also see them saying that this takes place during GE3 and just saying "well everyone forgot" and that the Red Mist kept out GE2's Red Rain and GE3's Ash Storms and also the moon looks different from inside the mist or something like that.

.

But I don't think anyone ages anymore due to being brought back as Revenants. From my understand Revenants were created to fight Aragami before God Arcs were invented. While they were effective against the Aragami at first, the business with the Queen caused all Revenants to be put towards that. Then shortly after the Red Mist went up from Silva and all revenants were stuck there.

This is why when Mido sees the Dyaus Pita, he remarks about how the horrors outside have continued to evolve while the Revenants and such have continued to stagnate. Without Revenants to continue and fight the Aragami, the God Arcs were invented.

Deleted member 2834 · Oct 7, 2019

Is Mido the last boss?

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

Imp the Dimp said:
Is Mido the last boss?

No

SmokedSalmon · Oct 7, 2019

Kalentan said:
But I don't think anyone ages anymore due to being brought back as Revenants. From my understand Revenants were created to fight Aragami before God Arcs were invented. While they were effective against the Aragami at first, the business with the Queen caused all Revenants to be put towards that. Then shortly after the Red Mist went up from Silva and all revenants were stuck there.

This is why when Mido sees the Dyaus Pita, he remarks about how the horrors outside have continued to evolve while the Revenants and such have continued to stagnate. Without Revenants to continue and fight the Aragami, the God Arcs were invented.

That's a good point. Considering Revenants literally just come back to life your probably right that they don't age. I was wondering why the would call the Aragami horrors considering if even if they forgot the regular humans wouldn't have. Its probably more the case though that the revenants started to forget and then so much time passes that from generation to generation the humans forget too.

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

SmokedSalmon said:
That's a good point. Considering Revenants literally just come back to life your probably right that they don't age. I was wondering why the would call the Aragami horrors considering if even if they forgot the regular humans wouldn't have. Its probably more the case though that the revenants started to forget and then so much time passes that the new generation of humans forget too.

Yeah, it's likely just part of the Revenant memory loss. Jack for example thought the outside world was mostly normal. I guess it also depends on when they were made Revenant and when they woke up. Since some were created originally but didn't wake up till much much later.

Deleted member 2834 · Oct 7, 2019

Kalentan said:
No

All right, thanks. How far am I roughly?

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

Imp the Dimp said:
All right, thanks. How far am I roughly?

Almost there. Probably 2 - 3 more hours I'd say after that. At least that's how long it took me. Including doing the rest of the depths.

Xiaomi · Oct 7, 2019

Imp the Dimp said:
All right, thanks. How far am I roughly?

85% or so.

ShadowSoldier89 · Oct 7, 2019

Imp the Dimp said:
All right, thanks. How far am I roughly?

I just finished that fight myself and figured I was close to the end, but been enjoying the game so much I ran off to do depths and side quests to extend my playtime.

luffie · Oct 7, 2019

Wow, in what way Code Vein is easy? Went off to face Smough & Ornstein, shit has me on my toes all the time. The bosses are Bloodborne speed or faster, and more aggressive, not that I'm complaining, it's just not as easy as people said. Even the ice armor critters were pretty hard to face.
Is the final boss even harder?

Deleted member 2834 · Oct 7, 2019

luffie said:
Wow, in what way Code Vein is easy? Went off to face Smough & Ornstein, shit has me on my toes all the time. The bosses are Bloodborne speed or faster, and more aggressive, not that I'm complaining, it's just not as easy as people said. Even the ice armor critters were pretty hard to face.
Is the final boss even harder?

Yeah, that boss broke my gamer pride in two. It was impossible to solo them with my skill level so I summoned someone for the 1st time. This game is certainly not much easier than Dark Souls, if at all.

Res · Oct 7, 2019

luffie said:
Wow, in what way Code Vein is easy? Went off to face Smough & Ornstein, shit has me on my toes all the time. The bosses are Bloodborne speed or faster, and more aggressive, not that I'm complaining, it's just not as easy as people said. Even the ice armor critters were pretty hard to face.
Is the final boss even harder?

I've been playing with a partner, so bosses have been pitifully easy. Haven't died once yet. Im thinking of playing solo, for bosses at least

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

luffie said:
Wow, in what way Code Vein is easy? Went off to face Smough & Ornstein, shit has me on my toes all the time. The bosses are Bloodborne speed or faster, and more aggressive, not that I'm complaining, it's just not as easy as people said. Even the ice armor critters were pretty hard to face.
Is the final boss even harder?

Honestly I'd say that was probably the only truly hard fight (assuming your talking about the duo fight in Code Vein).

The bosses after it I'd say are far easier.

Hentailover · Oct 7, 2019

I'd say,

Gilded Knight and Skull King are right bastards. Former would clip me mid my dodge, before I even get to recover (medium roll) and latter is basically isnta kill in final stage and his movement sometimes makes you get clipped by bullshit cloud things even though you dodged into him like you are supposed to, purely cuz he slid out of close range during swing.

Deleted member 25870 · Oct 7, 2019

Hmm character thread is dead and I don't want to spam it. So... Battle Suit Jill.

Deleted member 3888 · Oct 7, 2019

finished the game, not sure if i want to start a new game+ yet, and not sure if i want to play it on hard mode

was hoping the game to be longer, so i was still having fun at the end, guess i'll wait and see what dlcs this will have

Deleted member 2834 · Oct 7, 2019

I better retrieve the 400k souls I just dropped, else

edit: Got 'em. It was 470k souls, oh dear.

Kalentan · Oct 7, 2019

Debating if I want to go into NG+ or stick to normal. Wish we knew when the DLC was releasing. Or do we? Is there a road map?

Carlius · Oct 7, 2019

anor londo 2.0 just elevated this game to a whole new level for me...that was th emost fun ive had in a souls like game since dark souls. so good.

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