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College Football '18 Bowl Season |OT| Hugh Freeze's Biblically sized Junk

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    CFP Rankings
    1. Alabama
    2. Clemson
    3. Notre Dame
    4. Oklahoma
    5. Georgia
    6. Ohio State
    7. Michigan
    8. UCF
    9. Washington
    10. Florida
    11. LSU
    12. Penn State
    13. Wazzu
    14. Kentucky
    15. Texas
    16. West Virginia
    17. Utah
    18. Mississippi State
    19. Texas A&M
    20. Syracuse
    21. Fresno State
    22. Northwestern
    23. Mizzou
    24. Iowa State
    25. Boise State

    Selected pre-NY6 bowls (I'm not listing all of them)

    December 15

    New Mexico- North Texas vs. Utah State, 2 PM
    Las Vegas- Arizona State vs. Fresno State, 3:30 PM

    December 22

    Birmingham- Wake Forest vs. Memphis, noon
    Armed Forces- Army vs Houston, 3:30 PM

    December 28

    Camping World- West Virginia vs. Syracuse, 5:15 PM

    Playoff and NY6 start December 29, as will the NY6 thread.

    Full bowl schedule

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    Bowl season has (somewhat) embraced P12AD!

    December 26- Cheez-It- TCU vs Cal, 9 PM
    December 28- Alamo- Iowa State vs. Wazzu, 9 PM

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    Bowl Pick'em (done as always by the wonderful Karl2177 )

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    Episode 69 - Watch out for Nice Surf Bros in Texas this Holiday Season

    Bowl previews, Early Signing Day mentioned, Justin Fields sweepstakes is on, questions from listeners... Happy Holidays, everyone!
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    • Karl2177

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    I was going to just use Yahoo for the bowl pick 'em but it's showing that they stopped doing them 2 years ago. ESPN?

    Also, ErnieMcCracken , Monroeski I haven't received your guesses for Army/Navy total score yet. Dunno if you've sent them in or they got caught in some upgrade vortex.
     
    MrJames

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    To the defense....go fuck yourselves you worthless pieces of shit, thank you for your support.
     
    McScroggz

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    Elderly Parrot said:
    http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...t-stricklin-welcome-2-1-series-vs-ucf-knights

    Lol UCF payed 100,000 dollars to not play UF again
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    Do we know why they backed out of it?

    Also, UCF's AD has to realize that if he wants to compete for a playoff spot or build a perennial contender that - who knows - might join a Power 5 conference, you can't expect to schedule these majors teams to Home and Home games. Honestly, getting 2 for 1 instead of a neutral site is likely better anyways.

    UCF if in an unfortunate situation where major schools don't really benefit from playing them. They aren't the type of school that is likely to give a prestige boost to a season the way a normally good or pretty good Power 5 team would, and let's be honest we can't know UCF will be a top 10 caliber team in 3-5 years because they don't have the track record for sustained success or a program with a tradition of being really good. It is cool that they play Stanford and Pitt next year though.

    For example, Alabama has Texas on the schedule in the future - when they signed the deal Texas wasn't particularly good but Texas has a history of being an elite team. When they play Texas might be preseason top 5 and go on to win the Big XII or they might be unranked, but regardless Alabama will get credit for scheduling them and they are more likely to be at least a good team.

    If Alabama scheduled UCF for 2022, UCF might have regressed to being an 8-4/9-3 good team, but they won't really get much credit for the victory (if they win). Maybe UCF is starting to fall apart by then and Alabama would be criticizes for playing them.

    Let's not forget just a few years ago UCF went undefeated. While I personally think UCF has a lot of potential, I believe some are living in the moment and not looking at the macro view.

    And yeah, I personally want to see teams play tougher schedules. I'm okay with Alabama scheduling somebody like Texas and hypothetically UCF in the same season. But if these big teams don't have much to gain finanacially, and there's no guarantee they will benefit from a victory and a loss can almost end their hopes for the playoffs, why bother?

    TL;DR: UCF needs to take 2 and 1 deals or neutral site deals or whatever they have to in order to schedule the major Power 5 teams, especially if it's regional like Florida, FSU, Miami, etc.
     
    Karl2177

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    McScroggz said:
    TL;DR: UCF needs to take 2 and 1 deals or neutral site deals or whatever they have to in order to schedule the major Power 5 teams, especially if it's regional like Florida, FSU, Miami, etc.
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    For what it's worth, the American performed better against P5 OOC opponents than the ACC did. If you take out Clemson and Duke, the ACC was winless against P5 opponents. If you ask me, the ACC should be taking 2 and 1 deals instead of the American.
     
    McScroggz

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    Karl2177 said:
    For what it's worth, the American performed better against P5 OOC opponents than the ACC did. If you take out Clemson and Duke, the ACC was winless against P5 opponents. If you ask me, the ACC should be taking 2 and 1 deals instead of the American.
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    While funny, that's not really pertinent to anything. Even now, with only one really good team you are still going to get some credit for playing a mediocre ACC team, so there's no reason to avoid them. Same for most Power 5 teams that aren't Vanderbilt, or Kansas, or Oregon St, or Rutgers, or North Carolina - the teams that for the most part are trash. It's all because of this complex way we view the big boys. If Georgia plays Iowa, who is a solid B10 team, you can judge Georgia to some degree based on how Iowa fairs in their conference, especially against the best teams in them. If Georgia beats UCF this year, it's hard to judge that game because there's not as much faith in the quality of the American Conference or other group of 5 conferences.

    In some respects it's cololetely arbitrary. In others it makes sense, the more we see teams go against other major programs and sign 4 star players and send their players into the draft the more we internalize how good we think a team is and a program is.

    And it all feeds back into the idea that a middling Power 5 team is a safer bet to be a positive to your resume than a Group of 5 team.

    Granted I'm frustrated as an Alabama fan that Duke is our "big" game next year.

    One last thing though: if a mediocre Power 5 team wants to build themselves up they might avoid some difficult OOC games to build a winning program and compete in bowl games, although eventually that will come back to bite them (Washington St). But if you are a team like UCF that has hit a glass ceiling, you only have two options, either so what it takes to play the big boys even if you don't get an equal deal (which in fairness they shouldn't expect it), or yell at the clouds and hope you can keep winning. Personally I want to see UCF playing major OOC games because I would like to be able to accurately judge how good they are. As it stands now, when you have an easy schedule, there's no way to quantify how good a team is. Especially without enough of a track record to give a team the benefit of the doubt (like Alabama and Clemson have earned).
     
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    Karl2177 said:
    For what it's worth, the American performed better against P5 OOC opponents than the ACC did. If you take out Clemson and Duke, the ACC was winless against P5 opponents. If you ask me, the ACC should be taking 2 and 1 deals instead of the American.
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    Because of one season's result?

    It's prolly a good thing nobody asks you, in that case.
     
    Elderly Parrot

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    McScroggz said:
    Do we know why they backed out of it?

    Also, UCF's AD has to realize that if he wants to compete for a playoff spot or build a perennial contender that - who knows - might join a Power 5 conference, you can't expect to schedule these majors teams to Home and Home games. Honestly, getting 2 for 1 instead of a neutral site is likely better anyways.

    UCF if in an unfortunate situation where major schools don't really benefit from playing them. They aren't the type of school that is likely to give a prestige boost to a season the way a normally good or pretty good Power 5 team would, and let's be honest we can't know UCF will be a top 10 caliber team in 3-5 years because they don't have the track record for sustained success or a program with a tradition of being really good. It is cool that they play Stanford and Pitt next year though.

    For example, Alabama has Texas on the schedule in the future - when they signed the deal Texas wasn't particularly good but Texas has a history of being an elite team. When they play Texas might be preseason top 5 and go on to win the Big XII or they might be unranked, but regardless Alabama will get credit for scheduling them and they are more likely to be at least a good team.

    If Alabama scheduled UCF for 2022, UCF might have regressed to being an 8-4/9-3 good team, but they won't really get much credit for the victory (if they win). Maybe UCF is starting to fall apart by then and Alabama would be criticizes for playing them.

    Let's not forget just a few years ago UCF went undefeated. While I personally think UCF has a lot of potential, I believe some are living in the moment and not looking at the macro view.

    And yeah, I personally want to see teams play tougher schedules. I'm okay with Alabama scheduling somebody like Texas and hypothetically UCF in the same season. But if these big teams don't have much to gain finanacially, and there's no guarantee they will benefit from a victory and a loss can almost end their hopes for the playoffs, why bother?

    TL;DR: UCF needs to take 2 and 1 deals or neutral site deals or whatever they have to in order to schedule the major Power 5 teams, especially if it's regional like Florida, FSU, Miami, etc.
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    Probably that 42-0 destruction of them followed by Tebow coming back for the 09 season. Now After breaking the first contract UCF is trying to set the terms of the second contract. What do they even teach there.
     
    LosDaddie

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    Listening to the news podcast now. Still at the beginning, where you guys are discussing/arguing about the committee.
     
    Bdub79

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    So OU has 2 different players winning the Hiesmen 2 years in a row. No ones talking about it.

    This post is to see the hidden content in the OP.
     
    GoldenEye 007

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    Elderly Parrot said:
    Probably that 42-0 destruction of them followed by Tebow coming back for the 09 season. Now After breaking the first contract UCF is trying to set the terms of the second contract. What do they even teach there.
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    Yeah teams have never changed game schedules before after signing into a series. Never happens. No contract was broken since UF got paid as per the terms of the contract, to be fair. Also, this was like 3 ADs and a decade ago. With an AD that was a Gata and cheated his ass off almost getting the basketball and football programs nuked in the process.

    UCF does not need to enter into 2-1 or one off agreements. That is not sustainable and it leads to destroying the program. You start bleeding home games and you start bleeding the season ticket base. UCF is one of the few programs out there with attendance actually increasing. They're also doing the things they do with a much more narrow margin for error than teams like UF.

    Danny White, the current AD, offered a counter deal that's fair to everyone and extremely reasonable. Either a one off neutral game or a 1-1-1 series where everyone gets paid. UCF isn't going to accept a shit sandwich deal because UF thinks their shit don't stink. You also can't predict the playoff given terms change week to week and year to year. So you're also gambling away home games in the hopes the goalposts don't move to "well you don't play teams like Bama or UGA 8-9 times a year so you're still not getting in."

    Edit: McScroggz Looking at the macro view of even the last decade, UCF has accomplished more than most of FBS and a good chunk of P5 schools. UCF didn't start winning in 2017. It's also the only program in FBS to methodically build the program through all 4 divisions in football. From DIII -> DII -> FCS -> FBS. This is a long term ROI that the program is experiencing - with expected setbacks along the way.
     
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    Ron Paul said:
    Fify. But for real it's pretty crazy that both of those heisman QBs started their college careers at other schools. If Jalen Hurts is the next OU quarterback im gonna flip my shit
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    Imagine a world where Oklahoma beats Alabama and Jalen Hurts transfers there.

    First thing I'd do if you put me in charge of the committee is go to an 8 team playoff. We take the P5 conference winners and then 3 at larges, one of which must be a non-P5.

    Next thing I'd do is remove conference tie ins with bowls. If we're gonna do this and make bowls matter less than they do now, we need the best matchups possible and not have a 4 or 5 loss team playing a 2 loss team, all because of tradition. So we seed the bowl teams according to our rankings.
     
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    Lonestar said:
    🤷‍🏈
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    andycapps said:
    Committee sucks! Let us be in charge.
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    Bucknuticus said:
    I thought that was good discussion! also agree with andy just let us pick the teams!

    Andy and I are also currently fighting over whos a bigger UCF fan
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    Christmas Movie discussion lacked the proper respect due to Polar Express.

    Agreed with y'all on Home Alone and Christmas Vacation bring the best. Disagree with almost all y'all on Die Hard. It's a Christmas movie.
     
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    LosDaddie said:
    Christmas Movie discussion lacked the proper respect due to Polar Express.

    Agreed with y'all on Home Alone and Christmas Vacation bring the best. Disagree with almost all y'all on Die Hard. It's a Christmas movie.
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    Damn, forgot about Polar Express
    It wouldn't have been remembered fondly if I had remembered it.
    But we are definitely in agreement on Die Hard.
     
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