Yeah and if the 4 to 5 loss team gets the upset win, they'll inevitably get the " ______ had nothing to play for and wasn't motivated to win" excuse from the opponent and their fans. So nobody wins
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Yeah and if the 4 to 5 loss team gets the upset win, they'll inevitably get the " ______ had nothing to play for and wasn't motivated to win" excuse from the opponent and their fans. So nobody wins
Exactly. I actually meant to bring it up on the podcast last week but I forgot and I was probably just trying to get to the end... But no offense to Texas, I'd much rather UGA play OSU in a bowl game and I'm assuming they'd rather play UGA than Washington.
And maybe Washington could play Texas? I'm just saying, when I saw those matchups, I realized how much more I'd rather play OSU. Because if we beat Texas, everyone thinks we should have. And if we lose, it's what you said, they had no motivation to play a 4 loss team.
You can't have that "Every game matters" CFB feel and have automatic P5 conference winners make the playoff though.
It's debatable that that is even still true. But regardless, every other sport on the planet seems to be doing alright losing that.
It's not true. Just another in the long line of tired cliches about this sport used to justify the most inane processes imaginable.
Alabama could have kneeled on every snap from Mississippi State, to the Citadel, all the way to Auburn, won the SEC Championship and get locked in to a playoff spot in this hypothetical system. I'm sure every fan would be just fine with that.
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And they would lose hosting a QF because of it.
When you're at Bama's level you would care about seeding. That's enough of an incentive to finish out strong.
My original point alluded to that "Every game matters" is something that I and a lot of other fans love about CFB. Losing some or most of that would minimize some people's joy of watching this sport. I'm open to the idea of expanding the playoff to 8 teams, but automatic bids from conference championship wins would diminish some of that shine and sweetness.
To respond to your point, Bama doesn't need ideal seeding or placement to win national championships. They've proved that. I'm sure that Saban would want whats best for his team though
Here's a good list of the rules put in place because Saban gamed and loopholed them. So ask yourself this, what's stopping Saban from doing what I just described?
But every game doesn't matter now. Half the league is eliminated right off the bat. At least every game would truly matter at the start of the season and work itself out from there.
As it stands now, it would be status quo for teams like Alabama anyway. Little would change from what they do now given the immense benefit of the doubt they get. See 2017: Losing, getting a bye week, and still getting in.
Really don't get why this is so difficult. As if no other sports have compelling regular seasons despite having competent playoff systems.
As it stands now, it would be status quo for teams like Alabama anyway. Little would change from what they do now given the immense benefit of the doubt they get. See 2017: Losing, getting a bye week, and still getting in.
Really don't get why this is so difficult. As if no other sports have compelling regular seasons despite having competent playoff systems.
You mean aside from the fact that
A) taking knees on every play means your backups and younger players get no reps
B) you kill any award chances for your players
C) you piss off your paying customers
and D) you piss off the TV networks?
Since when has Nick Saban cared about any of that in a meaningful way? As long as he gets in the playoffs and wins he doesn't truly care and neither would any fans for the most part.
I am for making it a larger more inclusive playoffs but a whole hell of a lot will have to change to make it work. With at large bids it immediately incentives the league's to eliminate championship games. SEC could have crowned Bama the regular season champ and UGA gets in as an at large. Clemson doesn't play Putt no biggie and OSU wouldn't have to play NW. There immediately becomes little reason to play a game that negatively impacts you. No OU vs UT rematch.
You also wouldn't want to force it conference championship game winners and at larges. The league's will find ways around it.
scheduling has to be centralized and changed too. Sorry but since there is no real parity in CFB you can't equate to winning the ACC to the BIG to the BIGXII or SEC or even the PAC.
it isn't as easy as just saying conference champs plus 2. What happens when three schools from one conference get in?
Cfb isn't shield ball and we shouldn't try to force it. Yes the current system sucks for some. There is inherent bias against g6, but no one ever said it was going to be. Outside of adopting an fcs style system, and figuring out how the money would work out and what happens to bowls, I just see it as a pipe dream until we end up with super -conferences.
Saban cares because his AD cares. His process means nothing if it submarines the athletic department.
Not to mention the recruiting fallout.
Report: "Narcissistic Sociopath" D.J. Durkin is a Consultant at Alabama Now
I don't see the point in this when Saban clearly doesn't need him.
I don't see the point in this when Saban clearly doesn't need him.
Yeah not sure what Saban thinks he's getting here. Possibly to a fault he think everyone deserves second chances, but he doesn't have to be the one to give one to Durkin.
As is, before we learned Durkin was a shit heel he was considered a good to great defensive coach. So maybe Sab's wants to glean something from him?
Just not a good thing I think overall. Would prefer people like Durkin stay far far away from CFB
Doesn't USF take 2 and 1 series. They make around the same money as UCF. If it's good enough for them it should be good enough for UCF. Didn't Miami used to just take random away games when they were getting big and seemed to work out for them. I just listen to UCF fans complain how their schedule was hard and then teams backed out but now find out they backed out of what could have been a good start for a UF rivalry and haven't reached out since. The best UCF should get is a home and de facto home game at Camping World. Why would the gators ever play in that tiny stadium. How good can UCF season tickets be when every game including the bowl game is available for under 20 dollars though.
Also it's impossible talking to you. You said I was trolling you and crazy when I said UCF might make the NCAA tournament but they probably wouldn't.
Don't even know who you are or what you're talking about. I'm sure whatever it was, it wasn't that serious regarding the NCAA tourney.
As for the rest, USF has accomplished nothing of note in their football history and plays in a rented stadium. Did you know in that 2-1 deal, they're also giving up gate revenue to UF at Raymond James? Let's not compare them to UCF. About 25-30k actual people show up to USF games on a regular basis. Even when they're winning.
UF is being completely disingenuous here. For one, UCF has been clear about wanting 1-1 deals. You cannot build programs on one and dones or buy games. So for UF to come out and "offer" a 2-1 is crazy because they know it's something UCF can't accept. We've done buy games and 2-1 deals with larger programs. And it isn't a viable strategy.
Two, UF is implying they regularly schedule 1-1 deals with P5 schools. The fact is the last time they've done a 1-1 with any school not named FSU or Miami was Syracuse in 1991. And even the Miami series has largely ended on a 1-1 basis. They just do 1-1 in general extremely rarely. Let's not let them imply they load up on 1-1 games even among P5 schools. UF has also stopped doing 1-1 in baseball games with UCF. And UF hasn't scheduled UCF in basketball since they got beat by UCF in a neutral site game. Funnily enough, they haven't scheduled Syracuse since they beat them either.
UCF has scheduled 1-1s with a number of P5 programs. Including Stanford who has been much better than UF in the last decade and is a good brand. Stanford will do as much or more for SOS than UF at this point. UCF has also stated they're open to one off neutral games or an actual fair 1-1-1 deal. College football attendance across the country, including UF, has been falling. UCF is one of the few programs on an upward trend. That's a simple fact. And tiny stadium? It's comparable in size and even larger than some P5 programs that have been around much longer than UCF was even a school.
I think it is funny that the coach is up there talking about UCF when they need to be focused on beating Michigan, though. What it comes down to is they're just miffed that with FSU and Miami down, they're not the best program in the state for once. So they're out there talking about UCF hoping people eat it up. And for some, looks like it's successful.
And you're seriously comparing bowl games now lol? Last year UCF sold out in record time and we packed MBS. UF hasn't even sold out their allotment yet. UCF also got shipped off to Arizona which is very expensive to get to. To compare that to a game within driving distance to UF is hilarious.
Finally to compare what FSU or Miami did is great. FSU and Miami did their thing 20-30+ years ago. When conferences were not as dominant and when there were many more independents. And when UF and FSU could use state funds to build up athletics facilities. You'd be surprised on how few one and dones and 2-1 deals Miami and FSU actually entered into. BTW, didn't the state legislature have to get involved to even get UF to start playing FSU more often?
Stanford being a better team for UCF sos is laughable. Are they even ranked the, PAC 12 is horrible. Their champion lost to Auburn. The gators beating Troy has much effect on their playoff chances as beating UCF. UCF owes UF a game so 2 and 1 is fine. Legislative bodies had to get involved to get UF to play FSU more often? Dude that whole thing went down before they even played a game against each other lol. And they were nothing back then that they played 6 in a row in Gainesville.
Whatever I'm going to enjoy Miami game next year and USF in 3 years. Will any of the other Florida teams be able to say they played all the other Florida teams this millineium.
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UCF paid what was required as part of the contract 3 ADs ago. Still hilarious that UCF has officially said nothing and it's been all UF thinking about it and egging it on.
Anyway, hey I'm happy for you that you will finally be able to enjoy UF football after a decade.
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Yeah, this is your reminder that there are games today and picks are due.
New Mexico and Vegas should be mildly entertaining.
New Mexico and Vegas should be mildly entertaining.
This hidden content thing doesn't work for me, what's the password?
putting 29 points on Fresno state paid off. I feel like I should of gone higher. I am sucking in the first weekend but a lot of yall suck worse. I only have 805 left to earn vs 840 for a lot of you.
andycapps & Bucknuticus did you guys even fill out your picks?
andycapps & Bucknuticus did you guys even fill out your picks?
No, the confidence picks and everything was just more than I felt like doing.
2012 was pretty good. Just needed ND to lose and they would have been in but def was a dark decade 2010 till now. It would have been much more fun to play UCF in Atlanta or Miami if it was in the rotation. Oh welll. Good luck in your bowl game.
I can't believe it's been a decade even though the Mac years felt like two decades.
Nonsense, he was trying to lift that aide's spirits that day. That's all.
I just go wherever the wind blows, glad you got a chuckle out of it.
In news that should surprise no one, now that they've been shut out of the playoffs twice the BIG thinks there needs to be expansion.
Honestly GoldenEye 007 is right nothing UCF could do matters, since it really takes the other P5 conferences not being good enough for the playoffs to truly move the needle. Problem is they will UCF for their purposes but in the end find a way to just make it easier to get multiple P5 schools from one conference in vs taking an undefeated G5 school
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Apparently his QB development skills are fine- it's the whole playcalling thing he sucks at.
He got us the commit from the Elite 11 QB out of Colorado so I'm fine with it.
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Listened on the radio during work. Super fun game- sorry about the L.
Damn that's crazy. I was watching the game but didn't notice he didn't even have an incompletion.
That fumble in the red zone really swung the game toward FIU I think.
My Army-grad dad is having a whole lot of fun watching the Black Knights absolutely crush Houston.
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