And you don't think walking out along such a ledge requires constant attention?
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College student falls to her death while posing on cliff for selfie, police say
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And you don't think walking out along such a ledge requires constant attention?
It doesn't. It's a form of moral superiority people who "play it safe" have over people that don't. Like I said earlier, we've been slowly putting a greater value on safety. Look up videos of what kids would do unsupervised 100 years ago (aside from work in factories lol). There's an inherent increased valuation of human life now more than ever for a variety of reasons.
Who said she was walking while taking a selfie or looking at her phone?
If she were just walking up the rock to look at the nice view or take a landscape photograph there probably wouldn't be this weird impulse to denigrate her.....even though all of the possible motivations were needlessly dangerous.
If we wanna flip this double-standard to "Anyone who dies while hiking is a moron" then I am okay with that.
Except its not. You are falling into that common fallacy that always happens with every fad. People aren't dying more because of social media or Pokemon Go or any other fad. It's just that the reason for said deaths have shifted and include those fads.
Yeah I was hiking at Castle Rock State Park in the Bay Area last summer. I was walking very mindfully when I suddenly stepped into some loose dirt. It caused my balance to shift right and I was already walking downhill so I started moving fast with momentum. I was really close to taking down a steep slope but I managed to grab a skinny tree and regain my balance. It was the kind of fall that could have been deadly but maybe not a guaranteed death.
If I fell and died, are people gonna call me some idiot?
Thankfully I'll never die like this. I can say that with certainty. I would be so mad at myself on the way down...
Its a shame. I always tell my friends that go to place like this not to get close because all it takes is a gust of wind.
Except it doesn't? I mean I do some pretty dangerous mountain hikes with many dead people paving the way, and I don't take selfies. And if I did, so what? Hate, racism, violence, these are some bad things. A teen taking a picture of herself isn't.
This is terrible. RIP to the girl :( I guess one of the advantages of being ugly like me is that I have never any desire to take my phone when outdoors to snap a selfie. I have only like 4 or 5 selfies on my phone, out of almost 2000 pics I have of shitty memes, book pages and family pics I take in safe places.
This is how I feel. Every generation of kids faces new challenges / technology etc, and some of them die. Kids today are falling off cliffs taking selfies or crashing cars playing Pokemon Go. Sure. But they're dying less in drunk driving accidents. It's much more environmental than anything else. Make lots of prescription drugs available? More teens are going to overdose.
They shouldn't have to. If someone wants to risk their life doing this then expect to get injured or die from it. Not like fences stop people anyways.
They didn't drive drunk less of their own volition, it was due at least in part to public service campaigns aimed at reducing easily preventable deaths.
Because all teenagers are bad at risk assessment. Not this generation more than any other.
I'm not saying people should praise her, just that there's a line between calling someone who just died an idiot and praising them.
unless she was literally hanging off the edge im not sure why people are so quick to call this girl an idiot??
like this looks like any old rock you'd take a selfie on during a hiking trip. struggling to see what's so dumb about trying to take a nice picture here
like this looks like any old rock you'd take a selfie on during a hiking trip. struggling to see what's so dumb about trying to take a nice picture here
Awful.
I would say I'm relatively fearless and I don't have a fear of heights but anytime I'm close to an edge of anything I get hyper paranoid and immediately start repeating to myself things like don't peer over the edge, don't take selfies anywhere near the edge, watch for unstable ground near the edge, etc. And it's for reasons like this.
I would say I'm relatively fearless and I don't have a fear of heights but anytime I'm close to an edge of anything I get hyper paranoid and immediately start repeating to myself things like don't peer over the edge, don't take selfies anywhere near the edge, watch for unstable ground near the edge, etc. And it's for reasons like this.
Because people are desperate to project their hatred of "instagram culture" by any means, including on a woman who just fell 100 feet to her death, insinuating she somehow deserved it for wanting to take a picture.
That why parents and adults exist! To help make risk assessments adolescent hormonal brains can't.
If you think the majority of adults are functional risk assessors, I have some news for you.
Sadly, this thinking is ruining many of our natural vistas, the idiots keep ruining it for the responsible ones (not calling this girl an idiot, just in general).
So an innocent girl dies and we got people running to call her an idiot. Like, how can this forum not tolerate simple shaming but we can straight up shame a young woman that died? And who cares if she did it for the selfie and she's a "narcissist", some of you act like she deserved to die.
It adds an unnecessary layer of danger to an already dangerous activity. The number one rule when you're hiking is to always pay attention to your surroundings.
"Act like she deserved to die".
Can you even read my posts? The only embarrassing thing in this topic is a few of you trying really hard to see what is not there.
It seems some of you would try to start an argument in an empty room.
Trying to take a selfie on the rock depicted in the OP is an idiotic move unless you are wearing support equipment. It's not worth risking your life for such a picture for uploading to the internet.
We should not be downplaying how serious and wreckless it is in order to ward off others trying to do the same. It is idiotic behaviour and I have already gave condolences and said I'm sorry for the family.
So yourself and others can lay off the desire to just start shit on the internet.
She was standing on a high cliff, trying to take a picture of herself and fell off. What would you call it?
I see what a user said a few posts above, people projecting their hate for social media culture and rushing to judge an innocent victim.
I would say "What a senseless tragedy, RIP"
You called a dead woman an idiot.
Then talk about safety instead of calling her an idiot. Are you not able to do that? If your interest is in public safety, you can have that conversation without mocking/insulting this woman.
A pretty common spot that's also the most dangerous.
We've seen and read about so many people falling off cliffs and other high risk heights while taking pictures that I think it's not unfair to call a person who falls a cliff an idiot.
A senseless tragedy is a girl getting hit by a bus or the Notre Dame catching fire. A person falling off the edge of a cliff trying to take a picture of themselves is not a senseless tragedy.
When I visited the redwoods I found a redwood cracked in half with another tree growong out of it. I climbed up the cracked top half to take a picture with the small tree. On the way down the cracked top half started sliding off the bottom half and I couldve fallen into the pile of large broken branches at the bottom. (Was like this |\ )
I probably wouldve gone out and taken a picture of me sitting on that ledge with my legs dangling off it lol
Im dumb
I probably wouldve gone out and taken a picture of me sitting on that ledge with my legs dangling off it lol
Im dumb
I cannot believe we have to put up fences because narcissistic people try their best to endanger themselves and potentially others because it's all about them and their image. But we should I guess. We complain about the government and the quote unquote 'nanny state', but this along with the helmet repeal movement (was that a decade ago? I found out about that last week, and surprise surprise, it originated from Florida) shows that we have some real need to babysit citizens cause clearly they can't do it themselves. Just leaving behind a mourning family and for what? A fucking Instagram pic? To look cool while not wearing a helmet? Jesus Christ. Same as the anti-vaxxers. We need to use a harsh hand on this shit.
I'll never mock common sense laws again since they apparently aren't common sense.
No it ain't. I mean it could be 'common' but it's clearly dangerous as fuck. That place already had someone else have an accident there before, taking a pic near a ledge.
look at how many people are up there in this picture. are they all idiots? this is clearly a common place for people to go. why is she suddenly a fucking moron for going there and trying to snap a nice photo?
I will never understand how this happens to people. When I was at the Cliffs of Moher a similar case happened a week before. When we got to the edge we took a picture but purposely stepped further away from edge. It was raining and their was mud and no guard rails. I would never get to the edge not looking towards it, just to have a picture.
Three people died at the Grand Canyon the week we were there this spring. I belive at least one was confirmed as a selfie.
And none of them are staring at themselves on the screen of a phone trying to take a pic of themselves. They seem aware of their surroundings. If you're staring at your own face on the face, you're not being aware.look at how many people are up there in this picture. are they all idiots? this is clearly a common place for people to go. why is she suddenly a fucking moron for going there and trying to snap a nice photo?
Another thing, the lack of social ability by people nowadays cracks me up. I see it every time I'm at a nice place and see people straining to take a selfie. I usually ask, "You want me to take a picture for you?" So much easier for someone else to do it for you.
You realize you're basically saying "she got what she deserved", right?
These things generally happen when someone values the meaningless likes they receive on social media over their own personal safety. It should serve as a warning to others so people don't die tragic deaths, not as a chance to grandstand about how people need to stop hating on 'instagram culture'. This behavior should rightly be viewed as dangerous and reckless unless you intend to encourage it.
You know the reason.look at how many people are up there in this picture. are they all idiots? this is clearly a common place for people to go. why is she suddenly a fucking moron for going there and trying to snap a nice photo?
The person who took this photo smartly recognized that the beauty was nature and didn't feel the selfish need to insert themselves into it.unless she was literally hanging off the edge im not sure why people are so quick to call this girl an idiot??
like this looks like any old rock you'd take a selfie on during a hiking trip. struggling to see what's so dumb about trying to take a nice picture here
look at how many people are up there in this picture. are they all idiots? this is clearly a common place for people to go. why is she suddenly a fucking moron for going there and trying to snap a nice photo?
You're free to defend stupidity, but it doesn't make it any less stupid to put yourself in harms way simply because you can't stop turning the camera onto yourself as if people viewing your photo won't believe you were actually there. Newsflash, they dont care about you anyway unless they're you're family, and even then they probably dont care most of the time. Turn the camera around and aim it where it belongs. And then you'll have a memory for yourself.
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You can encourage public safety without insulting someone who just died of an accident. Imagine if her damn family were to read people saying "oh what an idiot" or "what did she expect"? Even if you believe her judgement wasn't sound (none of us were there to witness it so we don't know), that is a far cry from her being an "idiot".
Fucking ridiculous.
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