Doesnt Klo Poon do exactly that in clone wars during the malevolence arc.
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Collider/THR: Obi-Wan Series on Hold Due to Reworking Scripts
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Doesnt Klo Poon do exactly that in clone wars during the malevolence arc.
You're changing the topic to discuss your personal opinion on specific scenes in the movies.
That wasn't the topic you originally brought up and it's not what I replied to.
Your opinion on that scene is unrelated to what you originally said.
Ironically, those scene of characters being in space are fairly scientifically accurate.
You said creative decisions in TLJ were only hated by a minority. Where are your receipts to back that up?
I'm allowed to blame her for allowing the trilogy to go into production without a solid plan. What a clusterfuck.
What the hell is going on with Lucasfilm right now? I mean, whether its Kathleen Kennedy or whoever is in charge of the stories they're pumping out they need to get their act together. This really shouldn't be that hard to come up with some decent Star Wars stories that don't just dredge up the worst of the old EU.
I just don't get it. How can Disney be screwing this up so badly?
I just don't get it. How can Disney be screwing this up so badly?
I don't think its true--Feige and Co have really just been absurdly good at what they do. They have had an incredible string of either skill or luck in getting relatively unknown talent to far exceed expectations. In the case of the Russo's he worked them to absolutely absurd levels that I don't think JJ or Rian would have been happy/successful with under KK.
Feige and co have managed to knock it out of the park to absurd levels with a fairly wide net of relative unknowns. Part of that's probably having a good eye for talent, the other part is there's something clearly being done at a very high level to help these guys out and provide consistency from product to product.
They said news of it being delayed/in trouble would come. It pretty clearly came today
If you're ignorant about film history or filmmaking in general then sure yea blame her for not hampering the creatives into a set plot that can't be deviated from because that never has any consequences for storytelling and ofc most writers in hollywood say that planning is the most important aspect of writing and nothing else.
The critical acclaim.
The audience acclaim.
The box office
The amount of awards noms and wins.
The bluray sales which came quite a long time after the film's release.
By every verifiable metric we can conclude that the film was a massive success that resonated with the majority of people who watched it.
The critical and financial success, along with the original CinemaScore. If you're going to try and argue that the majority of people hated TLJ, it's going to be hard to take any argument you have seriously.
I said it was a competent film with some questionable creative decisions that were reviled by fans. None of what you posted refutes that.
Except I didn't make that argument. Where did I say majority of fans hated TLJ?
By a minority of fans, a very very loud minority. Hell, most of the reaction to TROS is fueled specifically because it ignores the messages of the last jedi. Especially the most powerful message of all.
Lol asking the creatives to create a well thought out plan isn't hampering shit. But go ahead and make excuses for piss poor management.
Marvel Studios: We have 15 different TV shows in development and every one of them will likely make it to screen without significant issues
Lucasfilm: We had to sacrifice a cow in a Satanic ritual to ensure we could release the Mandalorian without accidentally nuking downtown Los Angeles
Lucasfilm: We had to sacrifice a cow in a Satanic ritual to ensure we could release the Mandalorian without accidentally nuking downtown Los Angeles
Ugh. Fuck that shit. It would be better as a weekly episodic endeavor, imo.
No lies detected.
Yes it is. You're literally proposing for them to do something that rarely happens in storytelling for very very valid reasons.
Storytelling is at it's best when it's organic and things that weren't even originally intended by the creators start to happen because it's best for the story.
Otherwise you may arrive at a conclusion that feels a lot less satisfying because it was so set in stone and written before the rest of the story. Stories often evolve as the continue, with the tone and original ideas shifting to again, accommodate what's best for the story, Like do you think they started CW with the idea that Ahsoka would not only survive the events but also the events of the OT itself? No, ofc not, but that's where her story ended up going.
Otherwise you may arrive at a conclusion that feels a lot less satisfying because it was so set in stone and written before the rest of the story. Stories often evolve as the continue, with the tone and original ideas shifting to again, accommodate what's best for the story, Like do you think they started CW with the idea that Ahsoka would not only survive the events but also the events of the OT itself? No, ofc not, but that's where her story ended up going.
It just occurred to me that this obsession with the idea of a "solid plan" comes from theory culture, which always sets out to figure out the story before we get it. All of the theories for what the story would be post TFA were rote and derivative. People thought they figured it out. TLJ came out and actually gave us an interesting narrative with something to say. People then felt that there was deviation from a "plan." I.e. Their boring ass fan fiction
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what the fuck is going on at lucasfilm pretty much every project so far had setback or massive change midpoint...
You:
So you weren't implying that more fans than not hated the creative decisions? So you agree it was a minority of fans?
You're a bit all over the place.
Facts. The Marvel shows are even wrapping earlier than expected! The original date for WandaVision was 2021 and now we're likely getting it this year.
Meanwhile, Lucasfilm is flailing around.
Man Lucasfilm seems like it's just a mess behind the scenes. This show should be an easy slam dunk for them, yet just like every other project except for TLJ and (I think) The Mandolorian here we are with major problems again. It's getting harder and harder to not jump on the Kennedy needs to go bandwagon.
The suits that chose "The Rise of Skywalker" over "Duel of the Fates" will be making changes on the script...
Ain't that lovely?
Ain't that lovely?
Almost all major SW projects need to go through re-hire/re-work/re-shoot process nowadays....this is very very bad
LF is reeling because TLJ didn't meet BO expectations and they've been desperate to stop the bleeding ever since. Solo compounded that fear significantly further. The Mandalorian was fine because it had a bunch of all-stars working on it. KK panicked and turned to JJ hoping he'd bring some magic to IX despite a rushed production but it didn't work--still, they managed to avoid disaster with what looks to be 1.1 billion minimum which is good enough to shrug and move on.
Star Wars will settle in but they need a moment to reset expectations and figure things out.
Star Wars will settle in but they need a moment to reset expectations and figure things out.
If TLJ didn't meet expectations, TROS certainly didn't either. Internal industry expectations pegged it at grossing at least $1.3 billion, which would match the "polarizing" and "controversial" TLJ; it's not even going to come within spitting distance of that figure.
And the problems unfortunately began long before TLJ. Both TFA and Rogue One were a complete shitshow behind the scenes, but Disney did a good job of covering it up and their financial success helped smooth over the controversy.
It's like vacationing in Florida!
Yeah no doubt, Ewan was a worthy successor but Guinness is the reason why Obi-Wan is a revered character at all. All of his lines in the OT are fantastic.
If you'd said TROS didn't meet expectations, you'd absolutely be correct. This statement is just baffling
I mentioned this way back in another thread, and was shot down. So many people still believe the traditional hollywood depiction of the vacuum of space being deep freeze instakill is accurate, even though its not. If you somehow end up in the vacuum of space without a suit, you'll die from the air inside you expanding and rupturing your lungs long before you'll freeze to death... unless you immediately exhale, as Titan A.E. - of all movies - correctly depicted.
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Yes it is. You're literally proposing for them to do something that rarely happens in storytelling for very very valid reasons.
Storytelling is at it's best when it's organic and things that weren't even originally intended by the creators start to happen because it's best for the story.
Otherwise you may arrive at a conclusion that feels a lot less satisfying because it was so set in stone and written before the rest of the story. Stories often evolve as the continue, with the tone and original ideas shifting to again, accommodate what's best for the story, Like do you think they started CW with the idea that Ahsoka would not only survive the events but also the events of the OT itself? No, ofc not, but that's where her story ended up going.
It just occurred to me that this obsession with the idea of a "solid plan" comes from theory culture, which always sets out to figure out the story before we get it. All of the theories for what the story would be post TFA were rote and derivative. People thought they figured it out. TLJ came out and actually gave us an interesting narrative with something to say. People then felt that there was deviation from a "plan." I.e. Their boring ass fan fiction
Shit, somebody tell Kevin Feige he's been doing it wrong this whole time.
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The reality of Marvel movie production is that it's not all "planned" with a set in stone conclusion:
Kennedy has no idea what to do, seems to me she thought she could actually coast her way to a healthy franchise through OT nostalgia alone....
And I hope I'm wrong because no one is that stupid.
And I hope I'm wrong because no one is that stupid.
He's doing something right. The MCU has maintained narrative and tonal consistency over 20+ films while Star Wars can't make it past two.
All I'm saying is that we have two people working for the same company managing two massive cinematic universes, and one is doing a demonstrably better job of it.
Pleaase rework them as long as fucking needed and plan for a general treatment of at least three fucking series.
I'm tired of one of the biggest franchises in history getting amateur hour efforts.
Like, this shit?
Sounds like amateur 102.
I'm tired of one of the biggest franchises in history getting amateur hour efforts.
Like, this shit?
Sounds like amateur 102.
Yeah anyone that claims they're comparably managed are out of their minds.
He's communicating with several other creatives and letting them do their own thing only planting the tiniest of seeds in the post credits sequences of films that tend to have self contained narratives. It has not been a completely smooth ride whatsoever and the only reason it's worked out is due to express communication between the creatives as when making an avenger's film it all comes to a head. It is NOT the result of a grand plan that didn't have major changes along the way to the destination, (i.e., the tone of the Thor movies literally changing from serious to comedic because of the second film's poor reception). Even Thanos, the main villain who was always in the background, quietly had his entire motivation changed as he was majorly rewritten to be somewhat sympathetic when it was time for him to be in the spotlight, retroactively making his smirk in response to the word odd and out of place, as the character Death seemingly does not exist in the MCU.
If ANYTHING, the MCU is literally an exact example of what I stated.
"Stories often evolve as they continue, with the tone and original ideas shifting to accommodate what's best for the story."
It's called putting people with stunted imaginations in charge. See: JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio.