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Watch them replace Kennedy with a Disney suit. Shit can easily get worse.
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Collider/THR: Obi-Wan Series on Hold Due to Reworking Scripts
- Thread starter ryan299
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Watch them replace Kennedy with a Disney suit. Shit can easily get worse.
Fair enough. I don't have any reliable data to prove exactly how many fans were pissed off.
I would say a competent movie like TLJ with a few stupid parts, is still preferable to a mess like ROS which is fucked in nearly every conceivable way.
TLJ missed expectations at the BO. People are too defensive about this film. 700 million drop is massive. TFA was an event film, 2 billion wasn't realistic, and heck 1.6 would be optimistic, however, 1.3 billion was a greater drop than many online generally expected.
1.3 billion is a great number, I'm not taking anything away from it, but I haven't seen anything that would indicate it met/exceeded expectations, and KK and LF's reactions since then have only further proven that. The random "END OF THE SKYWALKER SAGA" marketing scheme was so out of left field--it was a sign of stress.
Well yea, I know TRoS didn't meet expectations. It's always a battle with people here about this shit. I don't care about JJ vs RJ.
Honestly I'm not that invested in this particular line of argument, I suspect you're right about the process itself.
The broader concern is what comes out as the end product. The MCU feels like it's following a grand design, regardless of what happened behind the scenes. The sequel trilogy as a whole could not feel more disjointed.
I choose to pin the credit and the blame on the managers of those respective brands. If you don't then we have a fundamental disagreement, and you must think that Kevin Feige is the luckiest producer to ever walk the face of the Earth.
Yup.
If nothing else, it really proves the strength of the brand,
You fuck up that bad and your movies still bring home half a billion in pure profit, before merchandise?
That's insane.
What, are they going to cancel even more movies that don't exist?
Seriously. Imagine if SW was firing on all cylinders like Marvel. We would be in nerd heaven.
Did she not produce TFA? I only ask because that movie always seems to be forgotten when people are killing Kennedy or when they're killing JJ. I thought that movie reviewed just as good if not better than TLJ but it never gets mentioned.
For whatever success or quality these movies had is equally Kathleen Kennedy and the directors of these projects fault; as well as many other executives up the long chain all the way up to Bob Iger.
This doesn't make them bad people, or anything of that sort (other stuff can, but we're talking about creative heads here). There's really no good reason to play the blame game in projects where multiple people are in charge of making these films happen.
Feel bad for Deborah. I hope she stays on. Also I feel that the main series (sequels) has lacked creativity compared to the so called 'side quests'. I definitely love Rogue One and The Mandalorian much more than the recent sequels.
Gotta be honest lol... Hossein Amini(writer) track record is pretty.. uuh iffy. Curious about what he wrote... maybe its a good thing they are searching for a new writer.
edit:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hossein_Amini
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Kevin Feige has the benefit of collaborating with creatives on loose adaptations of existing material. There are decades upon decades of Marvel comics that they pull storylines from. LF has no such resource, as the old EU was discontinued and not just that, most of it was terrible material that would not work at all for film. Hell TROS is the closest example of that.
Ironically they actually have a good, late EU source they could draw from for this show - the novel that was simply titled Kenobi.
Wooof! The snowman... maybe a good call getting a different writer!
I disagree that this had as much to do with TLJ as you think, especially when Solo happened right after it and actually Did outright bomb. That was something worth being scared about, not Rian's film succeeding and thus needing to be blamed forever for everything by the insane part of the fanbase
Solo proved the Star Wars brand name wasn't as strong as expected, and when the public thought something didn't need to be made, they actually didn't need to see it, even if it had Star Wars in the title
No. Filoni feels like the last creative person at LFL, he needs to remain a creative
Kevin Feige built the MCU with a box of scraps and turned B-tier (and under) superheroes into household names. And puts out multiple films per year, to ever-increasing demand. Let's not pretend he has it easy.
Considering that during this time period Obi-Wan learns Qui-Gon how to manifest himself after death, if they were to take any cues from Clone Wars arc covering Yoda's training then there's opportunities for some absolutely fascinating material unlike anything we've ever seen in live action.
Also the majority of the good EU stuff happened when Luke and Leia were in their late 20's to early 30's....they never got to 60's Luke and Leia to do adaptations with boomer aged Carey Fisher, Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford. Having Hamill try to do stunts as if only 10 years had passed would have just looked atrocious.
Dude. TLJ just took what people expected and did the opposite, thinking it was clever while doing so.
It was not clever. And doing the exact opposite of what the story set up is not brilliant. It's high school subversion.
Yea, but if Obi-Wan is sitting there working on the Qui-Gon training then it generally means he's in an okay place. He's just Obi-Wan working on his mission and watching over Luke and...I think generally people want to see an Obi-Wan that's dealing with the catharsis of the impacts of what has happened. Something that challenges Ewan to do something new with the character. Maybe the training and Obi-Wan being depressed aren't mutually exclusive, but they don't seem like a good fit imo.
Heck...maybe it shouldn't even take place on Tatooine. I always imagined it would, but honestly, it doesn't have to. It's becoming tired as a setting and it's really not that big of a deal if Obi-Wan had some kind of doubt or crisis that led him away from the planet for a bit. Obi-wan foiling some secret plot to kill Luke is the kind of predictable thing that Star Wars should probably be avoiding right now.
30 second pitch:
Stricken with overwhelming grief and guilt over the loss of his padawan, Anakin Skywalker to the Dark Side, Obi Wan Kenobi takes a vow to watch over the son of Skywalker, hidden away on the desert planet of Tatooine.
When a stranger arrives with orders to investigate the existence of the young boy, Kenobi springs into action to protect the young one at all costs, even if it means tracking down the source of this bounty hunter across the galaxy.
Basically have the show start on Tatooine but take it off world with Kenobi battling enemies and whatnot to protect a clueless Luke, back on Tatooine. There's a lot you could do there and also really explore his PTSD.
I would prefer that Obi learns to "let go" by going to help someone or some people on Tatooine even if it means leaving Luke's oversight behind. Something along the lines of accepting his past and not trying to force the future at the expense of helping others.
They need to cut off his story from Luke, it should be introspective, not about the existing story we know of. Enough with the damn Skywalkers already.
10 second pitch
Bo-Katan Kryze traces Kenobi thanks to his connection to her late sister , in an effort to weaken the empire's threat to her rule on Mandalore she makes Kenobi an offer he can't refuse, either help her or she will give the order to sell both him and Luke to the empire.
And that way you link it to Mando.
He basically made two SW movies that are better than any SW project since ROTJ.
When Yoda learned from Qui-Gon how to manifest himself, it wasn't just sitting around meditating. It involved traveling to the deeply Force-ingrained birth-planet of all life in the galaxy, as well as going to the capital planet of the Sith, facing down the essence of Darth Bane in a valley where the ancient Sith Lords were buried. Also Force priestesses. And a looooot of weird shit happens along the way.
Mmmm. Can't say it bothers me, Kenobi as a character never really interested me all that much tbh. But a series about Vader in his prime going around being badass and killing a monster the size of a mountain? Sign me right the fuck up.
Lmao. Sounds like a take that is grounded in reality.. aka real life.
After watching The Mandalorian, I can totally understand the concern about this show overlapping with it in tone and style. While it's certainly possible to have two pseudo space western shows airing at the same time, they probably want each to have its own distinct quality to make them stand out and not risk losing audiences' attention from more of the same.
Why can't we have Vader: Jedi Hunter as a show. I love me Obi, I think the show will be good, but I need some Vader action other then comics. I want to see him just strike fear in people for 10 episodes straight.
