I did a 2 hour run this afternoon and now I'm in bed getting ready to watch Godzilla King of the Monsters. If I get spunky I might read some Batman stuff too. Either my best life or worst life, not sure yet.
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COMICS!!! |OT| January 2020 | A Barely-Thought-Out Depressoverse
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yeah and the green lantern #9 through #12 are almost incomprehensible
Didn't they offer to transition her over to the main line and she declined? I don't think Berger has any interest in capes to be honest. A DC mainline overseen by her would sure be something though lol.
If DC was capable of actual quality editing Heroes in Crisis would've never happened so count your blessings. They downgraded the issues for either sales or because of 5G.
So that means Morrison's GL run is ending in September.
You're assuming 4 less issues mean this won't happen with the second season. I don't think that's a safe bet with Morrison lol.
I'm just about to finish season 1 and I very much disagree. Morrison has earned the right to do whatever he likes as long as he likes.
Waiting for Tt Batman to finish downloading the 2nd episode of the 2nd season. I love the cheesiness of all the Tt games. Weirdly Fables has been my least favorite. WD and Batman are great though.
I remember reading that while her job title at Vertigo meant she was at the top of the decision making tree, the same job title at DC would have essentially been a demotion, having to report up two+ levels.
That's about when all the Berganza nonsense was hitting the public too I think so maybe she just got tired. (To think Berganza was still in a major position for 5 years after that).
gonna put this in tags since Astro Cat is still reading it
Hal and the GL's of the multiverse are called to Earth-15 answering a false multiversal distress signal where they hope to find the Cosmic Grail (as teased in Multiversity). The whole thing was a lie perpetuated by Zunderwell(?) as he's been capturing Lanterns and holding them in stasis for his own needs. Meanwhile the GLC is teaming up with what seems to be a precursor to the Legion taking on the Qwa-Man from the antimatter universe. Hal returns and catches up with the GLC to find they think they've beaten Qwa-Man, but it comes back.
The antimatter Sinestro reveals he was paid by Mu to bring the Qwa-Man to the positive matter universe, but he's taken down by Qwa-Man and an agent from the antimatter universe. As Hal is taking down Qwa-Man his ring is losing charge and an antimatter/positive matter detonation is imminent (remember Final Crisis with Ultraman and Superman). Just as Hal's ring hits zero Mu warps him back the Blackstars base and tells Hal if he doesn't use the wish machine to rewrite reality, then it will all end from the antimatter war. This leads to the Blackstars book. The epilogue to issue 12 sets up the Weaponers as antimatter versions of the GLC.
The antimatter Sinestro reveals he was paid by Mu to bring the Qwa-Man to the positive matter universe, but he's taken down by Qwa-Man and an agent from the antimatter universe. As Hal is taking down Qwa-Man his ring is losing charge and an antimatter/positive matter detonation is imminent (remember Final Crisis with Ultraman and Superman). Just as Hal's ring hits zero Mu warps him back the Blackstars base and tells Hal if he doesn't use the wish machine to rewrite reality, then it will all end from the antimatter war. This leads to the Blackstars book. The epilogue to issue 12 sets up the Weaponers as antimatter versions of the GLC.
It's all pretty straight forward to be honest
Truth. Though I like Jess too.
Nah, I just dislike his basic square-jawed hero composition.
It's essentially Dark Nights: Metal for Green Lantern instead of Batman. Hal Jordan is fucking around in the multiverse, trapped by a crazy Super Lantern Don Quixote who is gathering Lanterns for the ultimate battle. The Lanterns of the Multi-verse raise up and beat him, but not before Evil Anti-Matter Hal—HAL JORDAN WHO LAUGHS—is freed in No Man's Land for the galaxy. So Hal meets posh anti-matter Sinestro, who reveals the Blackstars paid him to put HJWhoLMAOs in Sector Zero. Then the Qwa-Master spawns and goes Oen-Winged Angel on everyone, before the Blackstars teleport Hal out. Then the Blackstar show Hal that everything has been about building the ultimate bomb to remake the universe, with Hal at the center.
Save the horniness for when we have the spotlight. Then we can unleash it all.
Also Guy is best lantern.
Also Guy is best lantern.
I don't think it's necessary to understand the plot in every Morrison story. It's enough for me to feel what he makes me feel. Like, intricacy can have value in terms of texture and flavor and scale, in a way that doesn't have anything to do with understanding.
I think Morrison's New X-Men run was the most coherent and least LSD-induced comic Morrison has ever written.
that's the most damning thing I've heard about that run so far
Klaus and We3 are pretty straight-forward by any standard.
Doom Patrol and Animal Man are rather straightforward too.
Invisibles was the only book of his I had real problems with.
I think what frustrates me about the last few issues of Green Lantern is that they're big on the intricacies, it's one big cataclysmic evil plan going into the other big cataclysmic evil plan, with Hal and the other characters existing as functions of the story more than anything else. It's all "OFFICER DOWN!" and "HE'S HAD ENOUGH, JORDAN" and all that stuff.
It's worth noting that he did Animal Man and Doom Patrol before getting into drugs.
Invisibles, though? Lots of drugs.
Again, this is why I prefer Synder. Snyder shares many of Morrison's traits, but he doesn't get too far up his own ass and remembers to couch the emotional stakes in the (mostly comprehensible) story as well.
I once heard Snyder described as the pop version of Morrison's underground act and while I don't think that's entirely fair, he sure does seem to be able to connect with the mainstream in a way Morrison has struggled with.
Wow, I don't see that at all. What aspects do you find similar? (Though I have only read Snyder's Batman and some of American Vampire)
He's very good at writing in a way that gives the reader the "Aha!" moment. Even if you're able to kinda see the big twists coming from a mile away if you're reading carefully.
Where as Morrison just his you with wild shit and if you make the connection, it feels amazing. If you don't? Get ready to be lost lol
Probably, but I argue Snyder is far better at reaching the mainstream audience with what's he's pushing.
It might not be fair, but I think it's accurate and it's worked out in his favor.
Ah, there's your problem. Read Batman, Dark Knights, and Justice League. All three are just Snyder doing riffs on Morrison's stuff and returning Morrison concepts to the forefront.
Note, I'm being a little reductive here, but I really enjoy Snyder as the version of Morrison that remembers that the average person occasionally reads these things.
I feel like Snyder is great at making a point through recontextualizing an idea he introduces early on, so at the end of the arc he'll have someone repeat something that was said in issue one, and it will, in spite of everything else, give the illusion of a coherent whole.
Sure. I don't think anyone could argue otherwise on that aspect of it.
I didn't read this until now. Unfortunately, my mood is a bit off to give this the rage it really deserves. Green Lantern is by no means my favorite Grant Morrison comic, but I like it quite a bit.
At a time where DC puts out only a few comics I really love, it's frustrating to see this.
I'm not confident saying this at all. I still need to see it before I know for certain.
I'd argue that they've long lost their steam. We're a long way from Rebirth at this point, which had a ton of great comics that gradually went away. There's still some great stuff: Justice League, Shazam, GL, Legion, YJ, Action, Flash, GL: FS, but I think Marvel's doing pretty strongly at the moment with no signs of stopping.
Hopefully 5G is their attempt at restoring some excitement to the brand.
Edit: Random, but if they're going to do new heroes, Superman should be Kenan Kong. Let Jon be a Legionnaire. Also, if the whole point of this is the timeline being expanded...why can't you tell stories from every era?
How about we wait until the remotest details of the ongoing comics are announced before we declare 5G a disaster?
I totally think they should. I hope WW #750 establishing her operating in WW1 or 2 leads to second WW comic set back then.
I totally think they should. I hope WW #750 establishing her operating in WW1 or 2 leads to second WW comic set back then.
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I don't necessarily think 5G as rumored is a bad idea. You need throw out some new takes in order to find the next thing. Going to your creators and saying, "Hey, you got Batman and anyone can be in the suit, go wild," is a great thing on paper.
Like, I've called the idea DC You 2.0, and I liked some of the swings they took there, like Street Superman or Robobats.
But I don't know if 5G is the kind of thing that will sell well, especially within the confines of the Direct Market. DC You didn't really hurt the line, but didn't help it either in the same way that New 52 or Rebirth did.
Which is to say, creatively I'm on board, but I understand why DC or retailers would be hesitant.
Like, I've called the idea DC You 2.0, and I liked some of the swings they took there, like Street Superman or Robobats.
But I don't know if 5G is the kind of thing that will sell well, especially within the confines of the Direct Market. DC You didn't really hurt the line, but didn't help it either in the same way that New 52 or Rebirth did.
Which is to say, creatively I'm on board, but I understand why DC or retailers would be hesitant.
5G is titled as such because here soon I'm going to offer up five grand to anyone who promises to stop complaining about it before it's even been announced.
I agree with all of this. While I appreciate his complexity, Snyder makes it so much easier. Looking back I should've realized that after Black Mirror which still maybe my favorite work of his.
I disliked a large portion of DC You (those things included) but I applauded their attempt to try new things. The issue here is that we definitely need more information than what we have on it. It really depends on the approach to each comic, because I don't know how successful it's EVER been to replace a hero with someone new rather than existing characters. Dick Grayson Batman went over incredibly well and is remembered well, but people poke fun at JPV because it shouldn't have happened, even if that design was cute.
It's the same here: you wanna replace Batman, use Tim (or Duke if you want a person of color), don't make up someone new.
yeah I feel like we'll get some hint of clarity as to what the fuck is up at DC when WW #750 drops and we start seeing the shape of the unified timeline
SPEAKING OF
Basketful of Heads #4 - look this took a while to get to the good part but now that we're there it's very good
Batman #87 - oh I'm excited for Batman to get weird, bring it on Guillem March
Batman Superman #6 - so at this point I don't really know what this book is for, but David Marquez sure is still drawing it so here we are
John Constantine: Hellblazer #3
Shazam #10 - this is still good, but now I know that there's the fireworks factory ahead and yeah I'm hype
Superman #19 - hey good luck following an all-timer of an issue, gang
Wonder Twins #11
Wonder Woman #750 - as I said, this better fucking WOW me
Year of the Villain: Hell Arisen #2 - hey remember how this is still going on? because it is, it is completely going on
Guardians of the Galaxy #1 - okay so Cates did a great job making Cosmic Marvel feel weird and dangerous again, Ewing you better be bringing it, I don't want wacky, I don't want small, I want Big and I want Scary
Marauders #6
SPEAKING OF
Basketful of Heads #4 - look this took a while to get to the good part but now that we're there it's very good
Batman #87 - oh I'm excited for Batman to get weird, bring it on Guillem March
Batman Superman #6 - so at this point I don't really know what this book is for, but David Marquez sure is still drawing it so here we are
John Constantine: Hellblazer #3
Shazam #10 - this is still good, but now I know that there's the fireworks factory ahead and yeah I'm hype
Superman #19 - hey good luck following an all-timer of an issue, gang
Wonder Twins #11
Wonder Woman #750 - as I said, this better fucking WOW me
Year of the Villain: Hell Arisen #2 - hey remember how this is still going on? because it is, it is completely going on
Guardians of the Galaxy #1 - okay so Cates did a great job making Cosmic Marvel feel weird and dangerous again, Ewing you better be bringing it, I don't want wacky, I don't want small, I want Big and I want Scary
Marauders #6
Aren't they using Luke Fox? The current Batwing? That was the rumor at the time.
The way #751 seems to be ignoring any mention of a new timeline does not fill me with hope.
I don't really need it to be an ongoing concern stat, this is gonna be a long-term thing where just about all hands at DC are gonna have to get their shit together. If there's a good conceptualization of that in #750 I think it'll do a lot to reassure people.
I think that is the rumor, actually. Yeah that'll be fine. But I'm not so sure how this plays out for some of their other characters. Is Aquaman Jackson Hyde? Why replace Martian Manhunter when he's decades old?
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