Naomi is great but Image-style minis like that feel weird in cape comics. We're establishing this brand new hero and right when you're interested the book is over and the artist is off to do other projects.
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Naomi is great but Image-style minis like that feel weird in cape comics. We're establishing this brand new hero and right when you're interested the book is over and the artist is off to do other projects.
I may be misremembering, but I thought Marvel did great from 2012-2015. The original Marvel NOW (not the second era which came later) was so good, it trounced N52 DC. They ruined it coming out of Secret Wars though.
Oh yeah but Hawkeye was basically a Image book with a Marvel paint job and that along with Ms. Marvel, they kept using that play again and again.
Yeah but those at least ran for longer than six issues. Naomi is a six issue mini series and now it's gone away, a la Image's Blackbird. That's cute in the indies, but in the Big Two things move at lightning speed. Unless Bendis is going to throw Naomi on the Young Justice team soon, it's a problem.
Naomi is getting a Season 2 for sure and Bendis has mentioned that he and Walker have talked about doing a Naomi Trilogy. I don't think Naomi is going anywhere.
Remember Mosaic? Alpha? Gravity? Loners? Plus, Naomi is taking a hiatus.
I don't understand how this is a bad thing? They should be doing more "image books" with Marvel characters. I mean, I've always said that in the sense they need to loosen up and actually let people do interesting things with the characters instead of always trying to chase/reference/pay homage to old glory.
They still haven't published anything better than Hawkeye, Immortal Hulk included.
Pretty sure he is, and she's appearing in Action Comics before then, then she's getting another mini.
Minis make sense for new characters. You can make a splash with positive reviews and press, then get out before the story becomes about the book's falling sales numbers.
No, because those aren't important characters XD Naomi feels special, like she could be the Next Big Thing.
If it's not happening in January then we're wasting time. I know we're getting more, I'm saying it's not happening fast enough IMO.
I'm not saying it was bad, I'm just saying Axel era just did what worked multiple times and it didn't translate as well depending on the character.
She's showing up in Action Comics where she'll meet Batman and Superman, so I'm not too worried about her falling off. I think Naomi's success has a lot to do with Jamal Igle's art and I don't want to rush him before he's ready.
Bendis didn't lock down the artist. He's off making the Young Animal Green Lantern book, so there'll be a wait.
edit: I suppose they could get someone else, but I'd rather wait.
*Jamal Cambpell.
I was gonna roast you then I realized they had the same first name. XD
Gotcha. I'd argue they really didn't copy the Hawkeye strategy when they really should've. Having Jeff Lemire do a bad impersonation of Fraction was a misread of anything. They should've been fielding every pitch possible for every character capable of carrying a solo. Basically, we should e gotten a bunch of stuff like Immortal Hulk five years ago.
Speaking of Sandman. Oh god, I'm both extremely excited and nervous as fuuuck.
How many of the new Age of Heroes do you think are getting play anymore? Brimstone joining Justice League Dark?
It's painfully hard to make new characters hit. Period. We all know this, and yet we get surprised when books selling under 8K with absolutely no school market play don't get more promotion.
Lemire did do that for Moon Knight and that worked. Hawkeye was always gonna be a problem filling those shoes, hence why they just jumped to Kate Bishop. I do feel a new Hawkeye solo should share the same Fraction-y stuff but still have it's own identity.
Every single manga ever has a self portrait at the end by the author that looks just like that.
I think it's fair to say Marvel tried to replicate Hawkeye for quite a few characters after Fraction. I remember a lot of us poking fun at how many Marvel characters suddenly got pets to try and mimic Pizza Dog for example! Like Black Widow and I think Punisher(?). They were very much trying to get another book like it.
Problem is, not a single one of them was anywhere near Hawkeye's level of quality and originality.
That's what I mean, yeah. You had books copying Hawkeye, but surface level stuff like Pizza Dog, the humor, etc. Marvel's takeaway from that should've been to take on interesting, unique pitches, not literally try to copy Hawkeye with other characters.
Imagine how different the DCU would have been had Doomsday just been given a Snickers bar
I mean, it just goes to show the problems with the DCU. If only the Justice League had tried to de-escelate the situation via candy instead of going straight to violence.
I thought quite a few books trying to shift the tone of series in the NOW! era worked quite well. I really liked the Allredified FF (edit: and Silver Surfer, if we can count All-New NOW! or whenever that was out) and Soule's She Hulk.
Batgirl of Burnside was kinda part of that movement too, and I know people look back on it poorly now, but I still think it was a good burst of fresh air.
Batgirl of Burnside was kinda part of that movement too, and I know people look back on it poorly now, but I still think it was a good burst of fresh air.
I liked it. Though the art was a big draw for that series.
I mean, even a surface level copy can be entertaining it even good, but as Hawkeye went on and the story became more serialized, Fraction and Aja (and Wu!!) were doing some really artful stuff that developed the characters and had real stakes. You came for the style and stayed for the substance basically.
Very true.
Glad to know your stance on this.
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Oh damnit, I was reading Gates and Igle Supergirl and got the two confused lol.
Hell, the only ones that worked are those who are aimed at that market.
It's why Immortal Hulk is so good. It follows the latter. Also Lucky was likely influenced by Chewie.
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On this subject, I do think Akira-san is already coming across as a more promising EIC. He wants people to forget the Akira Yoshida thing (lol, not happening) and he's letting them throw a ton of stuff at the wall, but the good thing about that is somewhere in that sea of forgettable minis and I bet-priced one-shots, some of this stuff is gonna genuinely unique and cool and good. We see that in Hulk, we'll hopefully see in in the X-Men line, and hopefully some other stuff, too.
So that's good. There's a ton of stuff I couldn't be less interested in, but the whole line was so dire after Secret Wars and this really isn't anywhere near that thankfully.
So that's good. There's a ton of stuff I couldn't be less interested in, but the whole line was so dire after Secret Wars and this really isn't anywhere near that thankfully.
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