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Frank Quietly faces - Potato, Not Potato?

  • Potato

    Votes: 66 57.4%
  • Not Potato

    Votes: 49 42.6%

  • Total voters
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Probably gonna hit these up:


Invisible Kingdom #5
Martian Manhunter #7
House of X #1
Valkyrie #1

Probably won't follow Valkyrie monthly but I'd like to gauge it
 
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tim1138

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CURSE WORDS #23

INVISIBLE KINGDOM #5

ACTION COMICS #1013
BATGIRL #37
JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK #13
MARTIAN MANHUNTER #7
WONDER WOMAN #75

HOUSE OF X #1
SHURI #10

And I may check out History of the Marvel Universe and Valkyrie
 

SeanShards

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Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers #41
Dungeons & Dragons: A Darkened Wish #2 of 5
Magic the Gathering: Chandra #3
The Wicked + The Divine #44
The Amazing Spider-Man #26
Guardians of the Galaxy #7
The History of the Marvel Universe #1 of 6
House of X #1 of 6
Valkyrie: Jane Foster #1
Life is Strange #7
 

TheDarkKnight

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Since I don't buy new comics I'll list what I plan on reading this week

More Roger Stern's Amazing Spiderman
More BPRD Plague of Frogs vol 2
Maaaaybe start a re-read of JSA
 

Porl

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I'm more excited for WicDiv 44 than HoX. It's the end of the story, it's going to be okay.


Some stray thoughts

- That Loki logo looks like poop. What is even going on.
- With all the focus on multiverse stuff in the MCU, I totally expect them to say "the F4 were some of the first superheroes but they've been stuck in another universe"
- I'm interested in the Black Widow movie solely for Taskmaster

- After the Outsiders books, I'm interested in a smaller and more focused book from Hill. Just 3 people seems good. I liked his old Cable in EXE.men, will be interesting to see how he does young cable
 

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Between all the X-Men announcements and MCU stuff yesterday, my hype levels are off the charts. I never in a million years expected Portman back as Jane Thor. I can't wait to see Waititi's take on that story.

The Blade and Fantastic Four news was even more unexpected, even if we didn't even get a logo or casting info on FF. Mahershala Ali is perfect for Blade. I never thought of it before yesterday but it's so spot on. It makes me even more stoked to see the casting for FF and (eventually) X-Men.

OMG OMG OMG

Uncanny X-Force, Whedon and Cassaday's Astonishing X-men and Wolverine Vol 1 Omnibus are all getting a reprint!!!!!!!!


Yeah, I'm gonna need this for sure. I was just hoping for a reprint the other day. Now if only they would release a Remender Venom omni. Kind of surprised it hasn't been announced with all the recent Venom focus in the last couple years.
 

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Anyone find any textless covers for those X books by any chance?

Finally. Not even sure I want that UXF omni anymore lol.
 

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No mention for RDJ as Tony Stark? He's perfect for the role.
Because Tony wasn't like that before the movie. Like, Tony was smart, charismatic, and an ass. But he wasn't the comedic character the movie made him.
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Ten rings for Tenfingers?
We can only hope
 

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I haven't really kept up with what he's planning after W&W. Another big jump?

Yes! So excited. The Mistborn books remain my favorites of Sanderson's. "The original pitch was for three trilogies. The Wax and Wayne books expanded this to four series. (You can imagine Wax and Wayne as series 1.5, if you want.) This means there will still be a contemporary trilogy, and a science fiction trilogy, in the future." The next series is planned to be in the 80s.

Holy shit, Huggy it's too early to get my hyped like this. Astonishing is my #1 most wanted reprint and I fucking love Remender's X-Force. Wolverine's definitely a collector's book. That thing's a whale, too.
 
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sven

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Curse Words #23
Farmhand #10
Lazarus: Risen #2
Skyward #15
The Weatherman Vol 2 #2

House of X #1
 

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Adam Strange book from King, Shaner and Gerads, are folks hype for that?



Fuck, another hype announcement. I think this is awesome since I said yesterday that King was a Moore successor and modern Adam Strange's best stuff came from the short story Moore wrote in Swamp Thing. You know King's going to explore the dark implications of that short, amazing story. Maybe the bigger question will be whether it acknowledges Waid's retconned Strange miniseries.
 

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Adam Strange is now depressed and ponders the moral ramifications of going on pulpy sci-fi adventures to fight space aliens.

Also it's like the CIA.
 

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The idea that King is Moore's successor is going to send Moore spinning into his grave.

lol, I said "A" Moore successor and not "THE" Moore successor. I look at it more of a generational thing. Modern writers who have been clearly influenced by Moore approach to comics. I do think King stands out in this regard more than any other, though. Which is more a statement on the current DC/Marvel status quo than putting King on a pedestal.
 
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Modern Big Two cape comics is the only place a writer like Tom King can flourish because we're the only place still obsessed with sadboy misery porn as a mark of maturity.
 

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Modern Big Two cape comics is the only place a writer like Tom King can flourish because we're the only place still obsessed with sadboy misery porn as a mark of maturity.
Damn there's some truth. He does make some good shit, but might not evolve much cause he gets by doing the same over and over.

Like I appericate writers who can do any tone and excel instead of sticking in a lane.
 

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Modern Big Two cape comics is the only place a writer like Tom King can flourish because we're the only place still obsessed with sadboy misery porn as a mark of maturity.

Big Two cape comics is also a place where you can call meaningful character exploration "sadboy misery porn" and be met with general approval.
 

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"Depression and PTSD turns you into a murderer" is not meaningful character exploration.

Why isn't it? Also, why do folk who believe they have legitimate criticism of HiC have to call involuntary manslaughter murder? I'm not saying HiC is good. But I am saying criticism of it deserves to be written honestly and without exaggeration. At least when it's part of criticism and not a joke.
 

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lol, I said "A" Moore successor and not "THE" Moore successor. I look at it more of a generational thing. Modern writers who have been clearly influenced by Moore approach to comics. I do think King stands out in this regard more than any other, though. Which is more a statement on the current DC/Marvel status quo than putting King on a pedestal.

I just don't think the comparison works beyond a very surface level "person that writes big two cape books and wins awards, I guess"

Like even to say King is "influenced" by Moore. Maybe King thinks that's the case, but that's also pretty shallow if it's the case at all. King is almost quite literally the modern actualization of what Moore disliked about capes and how he saw the concept evolving. Now instead of just being propaganda to espouse the idea of American exceptionalism, we have literal soldiers writing these characters based on their own "woe is me" perspective with no questioning of their place in the military industrial complex or even any acknowledgement that the complex is there.

TL;DR - Moore hates everything King and his approach to writing these characters symbolizes.
 

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Why isn't it? Also, why do folk who believe they have legitimate criticism of HiC have to call involuntary manslaughter murder? I'm not saying HiC is good. But I am saying criticism of it deserves to be written honestly and without exaggeration. At least when it's part of criticism and not a joke.

Because Heroes in Crisis further perpetuates the stereotypes that mental illness turns you into a time bomb doomed to hurt and kill everyone around you. This cannot be a serious question.

If you need to split hairs between "the depressed guy killed a bunch of people" and "the depressed guy killed a bunch of people" then I think that says all there is to say.
 

TaleSpun

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Wally was the killer, it sucked, The End.

Like "involuntary manslaughter" is a distinction for a court of law. When I'm at home in my boxers reading this shit while I eat dinner though?

Wally is the killer, it sucks, The End.
 

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I just don't think the comparison works beyond a very surface level "person that writes big two cape books and wins awards, I guess"

Like even to say King is "influenced" by Moore. Maybe King thinks that's the case, but that's also pretty shallow if it's the case at all. King is almost quite literally the modern actualization of what Moore disliked about capes and how he saw the concept evolving. Now instead of just being propaganda to espouse the idea of American exceptionalism, we have literal soldiers writing these characters based on their own "woe is me" perspective with no questioning of their place in the military industrial complex or even any acknowledgement that the complex is there.

TL;DR - Moore hates everything King and his approach to writing these characters symbolizes.

Will reply to this! Just need a bit.

Because Heroes in Crisis further perpetuates the stereotypes that mental illness turns you into a time bomb doomed to hurt and kill everyone around you. This cannot be a serious question.

If you need to split hairs between "the depressed guy killed a bunch of people" and "the depressed guy killed a bunch of people" then I think that says all there is to say.

Hard disagree. Even though Heroes in Crisis failed in many regards, one thing it did show was that self-doubt, sadness, depression, and mental illness are things that everyone wrestles with. Even superheroes. To insinuate that Wally was alone in his emotional turmoil and that he was singled out because of it is a complete misrepresentation. Wally was one of many. HiC made clear that it could have been anyone -- that wasn't it's problem. Wally was just the one that had a very bad moment at a very bad time. The problem was turning it into a comic-booky murder mystery with ridiculous shenanigans.

The fact that people died because of Wally's very bad moment is more a statement on the realities of having superpowers and the responsibility that goes along with it. Superheroes don't allow themselves to be vulnerable this way because of the possible consequences. People could die. Now the opposite is shown to be true, as well. Not allowing yourself to explore your own emotions is dangerous, too. The way HiC ended, reopening Sanctuary, was actually one of its strongest bits. Superheroes don't often allow themselves to be vulnerable this way, but they have to. Everyone has to, or at least everyone should. Because bottling it up can only make things worse.

Shunting off all context to say "DEPRESSED GUY MURDERED FOLK" is complete bullshit and can only be argued by misreading the book with intention.
 

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Will reply to this! Just need a bit.



Hard disagree. Even though Heroes in Crisis failed in many regards, one thing it did show was that self-doubt, sadness, depression, and mental illness are things that everyone wrestles with. Even superheroes. To insinuate that Wally was alone in his emotional turmoil and that he was singled out because of it is a complete misrepresentation. Wally was one of many. HiC made clear that it could have been anyone -- that wasn't it's problem. Wally was just the one that had a very bad moment at a very bad time. The problem was turning it into a comic-booky murder mystery with ridiculous shenanigans.

The fact that people died because of Wally's very bad moment is more a statement on the realities of having superpowers and the responsibility that goes along with it. Superheroes don't allow themselves to be vulnerable this way because of the possible consequences. The way HiC ended, reopening Sanctuary, was actually one of its strongest bits. Superheroes don't often allow themselves to be vulnerable this way, but they have to. Because bottling it up can only make things worse.

Shunting off all context to say "DEPRESSED GUY MURDERED FOLK" is complete bullshit and can only be argued by misreading the book with intention.

"Depressed guy murdered folk" is literally what happens in the story.
 

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Aight. Great conversation. I feel like we both really made an effort on this one.

You're trying to spin a yarn while the actual meat of the story is "Wally's mental illness prompts him to kill a bunch of people, desecrate their corpses, and then try to kill himself."

Just because Booster Gold fistbumps him doesn't make the story a good examination of mental illness or depression. People with depression and anxiety aren't potential murderers.
 

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You're trying to spin a yarn while the actual meat of the story is "Wally's mental illness prompts him to kill a bunch of people, desecrate their corpses, and then try to kill himself."

Just because Booster Gold fistbumps him doesn't make the story an examination of mental illness or depression.

Nah, it isn't. You're sensationalizing it to justify your tilt against it, justify dismissing everything I'm saying without any regard. You're falling into hyperbolic fallacy and if you're not willing to step back from it then we can't have an adult conversation.
 

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Nah, it isn't. You're sensationalizing it to justify your tilt against it, justify dismissing everything I'm saying without any regard. You're falling into hyperbolic fallacy and if you're not willing to step back from it then we can't have an adult conversation.


If I thought your defense of Heroes in Crisis was worthwhile, or anything I hadn't heard before, I'd try to engage with it more than I'm trying to. As it stands you're just talking about how it's meant to be deep, how it tried to say something profound, without recognizing its failure to do so led to a story wherein a man with PTSD and depression kills a bunch of people and then desecrates their corpses.

"What the story is trying to say" only matters if it succeeds in actually saying it. Themes and subtext are only relevant if their woven into the text. You can't show Wally killing people as a result of his trauma and then say "actually it's because of X and a metaphor for Y".
 

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Eh, HiC pretty much was Wally snapping, losing control and killing multiple people.
 

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Y'all are killing me. If you're going to tell me that a nine-issue series, all you care about is a single panel, that you're not going to care an ounce about what led to that panel or why, or what came after and why, then why are you even here talking about the comic? You didn't actually read it. You don't actually care about it. You might as well be whining that you spent money on a comic you didn't read.
 
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