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Microsales · Nov 18, 2017

Man so much to process here.

Should have WB just taken the L after BvS and not filmed JL? I know they would have lost 100+mil but they got the worst outcome now.

Boxy Brown · Nov 18, 2017

Microsales said:
Man so much to process here.

Should have WB just taken the L after BvS and not filmed JL? I know they would have lost 100+mil but they got the worst outcome now.

The way you word it they would've lost 100+mil either way.

broncobuster · Nov 18, 2017

Karma kept back around to Paramount when they had to delay production of MI6 regardless.

And hopefully that bit about dropping Kiersey Clemons is some bullshit. Get Flash made before they replace everyone.

Gravity Insanity · Nov 18, 2017

Microsales said:
Man so much to process here.

Should have WB just taken the L after BvS and not filmed JL? I know they would have lost 100+mil but they got the worst outcome now.

There should've never been a Justice League movie this early in the first place. I don't know why they rushed it. Just take your time and build your universe with the tone of Wonder Woman.

Sweeney Swift · Nov 18, 2017

Leo Sagittarius said:
in 20 years

"The death of Zack Snyder's Justice League: What happened?" by John Schnepp

you can quote me

We're absolutely getting a behind the scenes book on this whole situation earlier than 20 years

It might take 20 for Zack to write his own, but that's it

Yams · Nov 18, 2017

You think the execs would get fired if I start a rumor on reddit that the movie was more focused on Cyborg but the WB executives got cold feet about their lead being a black man in hoodie and made Snyder change it?

ultracal31 · Nov 18, 2017

Ross62 said:
UltraCal can you verify those?

Unable to verify

Keep in mind that I never even saw the Alfred or Flash breaking the glass clip until the trailer so by the time we had the movie cuts were already happening

Boxy Brown · Nov 18, 2017

Gravity Insanity said:
There should've never been a Justice League movie this early in the first place. I don't know why they rushed it. Just take your time and build your universe with the tone of Wonder Woman.

Justice League and Avengers come after the same amount of years as their universe began.

jett · Nov 18, 2017

Disco said:
Lol paramount fucked them with that moustache thing for sure

Why this movie wasn't delayed makes no sense. But then next year is packed to the brim with even more threatening comic shit

Eh what does it matter, WB demanded a hard two-hour limit. Cavill's upper lip not looking like play-doe isn't gonna make the movie better.

True Prophecy · Nov 18, 2017

broncobuster said:
In a way I'm not too upset by the movie having a less than stellar box office. DC films will endure but there will continue to be shake ups on the production end.

Really? I'm glad your hopeful because I'm really worried.

Sweeney Swift · Nov 18, 2017

Gravity Insanity said:
There should've never been a Justice League movie this early in the first place. I don't know why they rushed it. Just take your time and build your universe with the tone of Wonder Woman.

Exactly. Not a damn one of us would have blamed them for taking their time with everything instead of trying to make their own Avengers competitor quickly, which was always going to affect its quality

Boxy Brown · Nov 18, 2017

Sweeney Swift said:
Exactly. Not a damn one of us would have blamed them for taking their time with everything instead of trying to make their own Avengers competitor quickly, which was always going to affect its quality

I would've.

I've been to every MCU movie and I only care about less than half them niggas.

Yams · Nov 18, 2017

During my second watch you can tell what is a Whedon shot and what is Snyder's if you pay attention to the light. It's real obvious during Supes vs JL fight scene

Firemind · Nov 18, 2017

Yams said:
During my second watch you can tell what is a Whedon shot and what is Snyder's if you pay attention to the light. It's real obvious during Supes vs JL fight scene

Well, it's also really obvious when you look at Clark's upper lip.

Microsales · Nov 18, 2017

Geoff wasn't on JL much right it was WW and Aquaman mostly right? Because I'm not sure who to fire right now. Kevin must be gone for sure.

Yams · Nov 18, 2017

Firemind said:
Well, it's also really obvious when you look at Clark's upper lip.

It's not even that. The framing is meh.

broncobuster · Nov 18, 2017

True Prophecy said:
Really? I'm glad your hopeful because I'm really worried.

For the most part DC films are big consistent money makers for WB in a time when their other big consistent money maker is an every other year Harry Potter spin-off. Justice League is definitely falling short of expectations but even so isn't on the level of WB's own failures like King Arthur or Geostorm.

Either way, they have to be careful with Batman and Superman not to continue diminishing the brand. It's not quite Batman&Robin yet, but they don't want to get there.

True Prophecy · Nov 18, 2017

broncobuster said:
For the most part DC films are big consistent money makers for WB in a time when their other big consistent money maker is an every other year Harry Potter spin-off. Justice League is definitely falling short of expectations but even so isn't on the level of WB's own failures like King Arthur or Geostorm.

Either way, they have to be careful with Batman and Superman not to continue diminishing the brand. It's not quite Batman&Robin yet, but they don't want to get there.

Good points you make sir. But still you say its not quite B&R levels and I agree these are way way way better movies but the internet would have you thinking otherwise.

Sweeney Swift · Nov 18, 2017

True Prophecy said:
Really? I'm glad your hopeful because I'm really worried.

It's definitely worse than "less than stellar" box office, but otherwise I do agree. There will/should be changes behind the scenes, even if it's only the inevitable full exits of Snyder and Affleck, but in terms of big films you shouldn't fear. The Batman is going to happen, Suicide Squad 2 is going to happen, Wonder Woman 2 is going to happen, Aquaman won't be meddled with, Flashpoint, Shazam, and likely MoS2 and another Harley film will happen.

Everything else on the list has to be questionable at best, and Cyborg is obviously dead

Boxy Brown · Nov 18, 2017

Microsales said:
Geoff wasn't on JL much right it was WW and Aquaman mostly right? Because I'm not sure who to fire right now. Kevin must be gone for sure.

You will never know who to fire.

Unless they have another black superhero they're gonna set up then they're not gonna kill the only black solo. GLC don't count.

Bor Gullet · Nov 18, 2017

The flash saving Iris scene has been posted.

MHWilliams · Nov 18, 2017

Ross62 said:
I think that this whole argument is disregarding that Snyder's version was testing horribly.

I believe that's part of why the first cut got reshoots.

Hal9001 said:
https://i.imgur.com/D8lcf7k.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/7dhu3f/official_discussion_justice_league_spoilers/dq05bf7/

That GL scene would've been dope. Probably cut because they don't have a plan for GLC yet.

Rvaan · Nov 18, 2017

Microsales said:
Geoff wasn't on JL much right it was WW and Aquaman mostly right? Because I'm not sure who to fire right now. Kevin must be gone for sure.

Johns wasn't in place until late in the production of JL IIRC. Aquaman will be the first film where he was in place at the start of production.

ultracal31 · Nov 18, 2017

True Prophecy said:
Good points you make sir. But still you say its not quite B&R levels and I agree these are way way way better movies but the internet would have you thinking otherwise.

This is the studio that still wants to do Akira for some weird reason.

Dyl · Nov 18, 2017

Microsales said:
Geoff wasn't on JL much right it was WW and Aquaman mostly right? Because I'm not sure who to fire right now. Kevin must be gone for sure.

As far as we know, Geoff didn't get his role until after the script for JL was finished and principal photography had already begun. There are shots of him on set, so he did get a little bit of input in, at least. He probably played a significant role in post-production, however.

He was involved from the beginning on Wonder Woman. He worked with Patty on the script and was on set a hell of a lot. Wan and Momoa had already been hired for their Aquaman roles before he was promoted, but he and Wan re-wrote the story and brought in a new screenwriter afterward.

Firemind · Nov 18, 2017

Sweeney Swift said:
It's definitely worse than "less than stellar" box office, but otherwise I do agree. There will/should be changes behind the scenes, even if it's only the inevitable full exits of Snyder and Affleck, but in terms of big films you shouldn't fear. The Batman is going to happen, Suicide Squad 2 is going to happen, Wonder Woman 2 is going to happen, Aquaman won't be meddled with, Flashpoint, Shazam, and likely MoS2 and another Harley film will happen.

Everything else on the list has to be questionable at best, and Cyborg is obviously dead

Aquaman won't be meddled with LOL you can bet your ass WB will be in full panic mode after they see the JL numbers.

Sweeney Swift · Nov 18, 2017

Firemind said:
Aquaman won't be meddled with LOL you can bet your ass WB will be in full panic mode after they see the JL numbers.

Did they meddle with WW after going into panic mode post-BvS?

Serious question, I don't remember. I assumed not and that this would be a similar case of letting the solo project happen as is and worry only if it catches on fire

Firemind · Nov 18, 2017

Sweeney Swift said:
Did they meddle with WW after going into panic mode post-BvS?

Serious question, I don't remember. I assumed not and that this would be a similar case of letting the solo project happen as is and worry only if it catches on fire

JL will be worse than BvS. And BvS still made good money with the home release.

Boxy Brown · Nov 18, 2017

Some positivity in here for once.

emir · Nov 18, 2017

Firemind said:
JL will be worse than BvS. And BvS still made good money with the home release.

Honestly I liked the first half. But second half is almost worst than SS.

Scenario was completely horrible.

Microsales · Nov 18, 2017

Ross62 said:
Some positivity in here for once.

Feel bad for him seems like all his stuff got cut and most likely wont get a movie. Hopefully next few years these movies do well and he gets to lead the Titans.

True Prophecy · Nov 18, 2017

Ross62 said:
Some positivity in here for once.

Naw thatsso good. This guy deserves to have a cyborg movie.

ultracal31 said:
This is the studio that still wants to do Akira for some weird reason.

Ugh... such a bad idea.

Sweeney Swift said:
It's definitely worse than "less than stellar" box office, but otherwise I do agree. There will/should be changes behind the scenes, even if it's only the inevitable full exits of Snyder and Affleck, but in terms of big films you shouldn't fear. The Batman is going to happen, Suicide Squad 2 is going to happen, Wonder Woman 2 is going to happen, Aquaman won't be meddled with, Flashpoint, Shazam, and likely MoS2 and another Harley film will happen.

Everything else on the list has to be questionable at best, and Cyborg is obviously dead

I doubt they are going for a DCCU at this point though so who knows how all those can or will be reworked.

I hope your right though, maybe in a few years a JL2 ( assuming the rest goes ahead) will be a saving grace.. I just wish this was a celebration for the first time the JL has been together on screen.

Bor Gullet · Nov 18, 2017

Ray Fisher seems like a cool dude.

He was my favorite character in JL.

Yams · Nov 18, 2017

Ross62 said:
Some positivity in here for once.

MHWilliams · Nov 18, 2017

Firemind said:
Aquaman won't be meddled with LOL you can bet your ass WB will be in full panic mode after they see the JL numbers.

The studio probably trusts James Wan more than they did Snyder after BvS's reception.

Ocarina_117 · Nov 18, 2017

Ross62 said:
Some positivity in here for once.

Yams said:

Who's cutting onions at 2.48 am man.

Love this!

Was it Snyder who organised the viewing in the second video? Props to the guy if true.

Ray Fisher seems a sound guy. A shame cyborg scenes got cut from the movie. His flying scene and the ww2 hologram transition were cool.

RupertM · Nov 18, 2017

My one observation - all of the raw footage looks to be in exemplary almost 4k quality. Why does the finished film look so murky and blurry almost?

FarronFox · Nov 18, 2017

Hal9001 said:
https://i.imgur.com/D8lcf7k.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/7dhu3f/official_discussion_justice_league_spoilers/dq05bf7/

Ah, so that explains Alfred in the trailer. I would have loved to see him speak to Superman so I hope it's back in an extended edition.

Then all that messed up stuff on the moustache/beard whatever. Whilst Superman was my highlight in this film (it's funny the least credited characters for the film are my highlights. JL is Superman and BvS is Wonder Woman and now I'm so really hoping Cavill appears in Shazam), I would have appreciated it if he didn't have a strange face at times. So they should have had better timing on this and perhaps even delayed the film to next year so they could film him cleanly shaved (and probably so it isn't slotted right between Thor and Star Wars).

Ahasverus · Nov 18, 2017

I'm watching Suicide Squad now.

Good times.

Rvaan · Nov 18, 2017

RupertM said:
My one observation - all of the raw footage looks to be in exemplary almost 4k quality. Why does the finished film look so murky and blurry almost?

They might have been shot with different cameras.

Shingi_70 · Nov 18, 2017

Ahasverus said:
I'm watching Suicide Squad now.

Good times.

Good, you gotta wash that JL filth out your mouth.

Ahasverus · Nov 18, 2017

Shingi_70 said:
Good, you gotta wash that JL filth out your mouth.

I liked JL, but now that the behind the scenes and Zack's original vision are out and the possibility of us needing to wait for yet another extended cut to fix the bad decisions of execs working as editors are making me fume.

Ocarina_117 · Nov 18, 2017

You could not pay me to watch suicide squad again.

Just thinking of the movie makes me angry.

Shingi_70 · Nov 18, 2017

Ahasverus said:
I liked JL, but now that the behind the scenes and Zack's original vision are out and the possibility of us needing to wait for yet another extended cut to fix the bad decisions of execs working as editors are making me fume.

I liked it too, but stanning for SS has kinda become my thing.

emir · Nov 18, 2017

Ocarina_117 said:
You could not pay me to watch suicide squad again.

Just thinking of the movie makes me angry.

RupertM · Nov 18, 2017

Rvaan said:
They might have been shot with different cameras.

I think you somehow lose resolution when converting to a DI and doing the FX and color grading and stuff. I first noticed this on the 300 blu ray where they included the entire film in blue screen mode as a supplement. I looked at the footage and thought it was in spectacular quality but the finished film looked much grainer and not as sharp as the original footage.

Ahasverus · Nov 18, 2017

Ocarina_117 said:
You could not pay me to watch suicide squad again.

Just thinking of the movie makes me angry.

It's not that bad when you know what's coming. I'm liking it. Leto is the bomb. If it wasn't for that stupid tattoo.

Neophant · Nov 18, 2017

Strangely enough, I have a feeling Justice League is going to be talked about a lot more than we would have imagined a straightforward action blockbuster would be, but not for the most pleasant of reasons. There's been a ton of drama and speculation in the last week alone and humorously enough I think it's still going in a positive direction and turn from how it was last year...

Ocarina_117 · Nov 18, 2017

Ragdoll said:

Ahasverus said:
It's not that bad when you know what's coming. I'm liking it. Leto is the bomb. If it wasn't for that stupid tattoo.

Yeah there's definitely a brilliant joker inside Leto. I was so damn hyped for SS :(

I wasn't a huge fan with his obsession of Harley Quinn, some of the scenes were borderline cringe.

Shingi_70 · Nov 18, 2017

I still liked Justice League and i'm eager to see it again come Monday, but man these reshoots were worst case scenario. I assumed we were getting a rouge one at the very least ,

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