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Competitive Super Smash Bros Melee Community: 2001-present
- Thread starter Chaosblade
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It's an opinion.
I say if you wanna discuss it, need to expand on it a bit more, but this seems like a thread mostly for Melee fans to be mindful of that.
Hmm. All right.
So the first thing is is that, Brawl adds tripping which you might consider bad but to me? It's the most skillful thing since wavedashing. In fact, it might be even more skillful because it's random and you have to adapt to the situation on the fly whereas Wavedash is merely muscle memory. It's like when Batman in one of the movies had to learn to adapt to his situations.
I personally feel that the floatyness adds a lot of depth to the aerial combat because it takes quite a while for you to land so you essentially have to play like Space Invaders and guard the ground and get those Up Airs in or baits into their Air Dodge. Another thing that's really great is that Meta Knight dominates the whole game with Ice Climbers. A lot of people are fans of Melee because it allows you to focus on a few characters, but think about it like this, Brawl only has 2 viable characters! That's even more focus on the top!
Foreal, Brawl is a gem and it's as misunderstood as Bubsy.
lol. People will say what they will about that game, but MetaKnight in it is actually so fun. Love watching the way M2K and other top players move around with him.
I had a chance to go too. Feel kinda bad about it. It's always been close enough for me to attend, but I've never made it out. Kinda half wanted to since like... 4 or 5. I'm sure it'll be good though.
LOL. What's up Melee Community? Chaosblade, thanks for opting in the group! Looking forward to a lot of good Melee discussions.
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I feel like I've seen Tempo before but I don't remember. He's looking good against Cal though.
Mario vs Ice Climbers? Neat.
Some good sets hopefully coming up. Cal vs Ginger, Hax vs Ryan Ford.
Yo, A Rookie is looking good against Dizzkid?
N0ne still crazy. Making Falcon Sheik on FOD look good for Falcon against Swedish.
LolM2K? He was on fire at Canada Cup and now at Tipped Off 12. I don't know what happened at Summit.
Mario vs Ice Climbers? Neat.
Some good sets hopefully coming up. Cal vs Ginger, Hax vs Ryan Ford.
Yo, A Rookie is looking good against Dizzkid?
N0ne still crazy. Making Falcon Sheik on FOD look good for Falcon against Swedish.
LolM2K? He was on fire at Canada Cup and now at Tipped Off 12. I don't know what happened at Summit.
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Super dumb and super meaningless, but
Apparently the Smash Bros logo in that recent trademark matches up perfectly with the Melee's Japanese logo. It doesn't match any of the others.
So Smash Switch may be Melee HD Remix, instead of Ultra Smash Bros IV.
(FWIW I expect nothing)
Apparently the Smash Bros logo in that recent trademark matches up perfectly with the Melee's Japanese logo. It doesn't match any of the others.
So Smash Switch may be Melee HD Remix, instead of Ultra Smash Bros IV.
(FWIW I expect nothing)
Whew, people get salty whenever Melee is mentioned. Just gonna ignore all Smash-related threads for a while.
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I'll probably ignore them in perpetuity. The drive-by and shitposting that was allowed on GAF was ridiculous and ResetEra isn't looking like it's going to be much better. (But it is at least a little better! At least in that one instance.)
But I'm not surprised, it's why I didn't opt this thread into the community spotlight. It would just get a bunch of trolls in here.
But I'm not surprised, it's why I didn't opt this thread into the community spotlight. It would just get a bunch of trolls in here.
Shout outs to my man La Luna for winning Super Famicon, hopping on the mic before grand finals like it was nothing and almost letting Sfat come back with the reset. But Luna held it down, happy to see Marth take a good tournament (even if the gods weren't really there). Doubles was pretty hype too and we even got a rare Hbox and Mango block on commentary, Famicon was a good time to watch.
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Yeah, glad Moon won after his "commentary" before grand finals. It would have looked pretty silly if he jumped on the mic and then proceeded to lose.
He's probably my second favorite Marth after M2K right now. Rishi and Zain are going to give him a run for his money soon though, both in my heart and in bracket.
He's probably my second favorite Marth after M2K right now. Rishi and Zain are going to give him a run for his money soon though, both in my heart and in bracket.
Thanks for making this thread. This place wouldn't be a good GAF replacement without some good Melee talk.
Same, La Luna is sick AF and never gets enough credit.
Same, La Luna is sick AF and never gets enough credit.
i didn't know "the daigo walk" (directly walking towards your oponent as they retreat in fear until they corner themselves and die) was in melee. And believe it or not, it's even better to see than in street fighter.
https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/0/06/Best_Rest_approach.gif
that's one of the best smash gifs i've seen. Could you image seeing that while watching a tournament match on stream?
https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/0/06/Best_Rest_approach.gif
that's one of the best smash gifs i've seen. Could you image seeing that while watching a tournament match on stream?
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I feel like that's a combination of bad player + super situational. The only way that works at all is if you have a character that can do something really quick that's hard to react to into a really strong punish - rest is obvious, but a Falco shine would be another example, and you have to be at low percent to CC and be fighting a character that doesn't have a good way to mitigate CC. Lots of characters have options that would instantly invalidate this "setup" even at 0% - Falcon stomp, Fox drill, Peach as a character in general, etc.
Did anyone catch Pat's House 3? A lot of top players got knocked out by some underdogs. Zain took sets from both Sfat and Crush (3-2 both), he played incredibly well, and ended up getting 2nd overall.
Yeah, it had a really crazy bracket. Looking through and seeing all the names knocked out surprised me, lots of people I'd have expected in top 8 instead of the fresh blood we got.
Most of the Zain sets I saw were extra sick, too. You could make a real nice combo video just from his run at that tournament.
Most of the Zain sets I saw were extra sick, too. You could make a real nice combo video just from his run at that tournament.
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I saw the results and really wish I'd caught it.
Zain is going to be a monster in another year. How long until he takes a set off Armada?
Zain is going to be a monster in another year. How long until he takes a set off Armada?
I just saw the Zain vs Hax set
Holy shit he's going for the super flashy stuff even more than ever. I love it.
Holy shit he's going for the super flashy stuff even more than ever. I love it.
Holy christ I think Zain is my new favorite Marth. dude goes for maximum swag as much as possible.
He's going to be top 10 if he keeps improving at this rate. Some of the shit he did in the Pat's House 3 top 8 I've never seen before... or, he was doing it better than M2K or PewPewU. unreal.
He's going to be top 10 if he keeps improving at this rate. Some of the shit he did in the Pat's House 3 top 8 I've never seen before... or, he was doing it better than M2K or PewPewU. unreal.
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Holiday Bash invitational going on now. Didn't know about it until today because I'm terrible at following upcoming tournaments.
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Lol at the camera zooming in on Crush and someone playing Yugioh.
Looked like Moon but I guess not.
And now the second stream is a ceiling fan.
Showed it again and you could see more, looked like KJH.
Looked like Moon but I guess not.
And now the second stream is a ceiling fan.
Showed it again and you could see more, looked like KJH.
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Crush took it 6-1 over SFAT and also double eliminated Shroomed. Took a lot of big names this tournament and probably cemented himself as top 15 for the year with a great outlook for next year.
And the guy's stone cold humor is tops. That interview.
Also, Moon, LMAO.
"I was in Mexico for 3 weeks and not practicing I'm never doing that again."
"Oh you were in Mexico welcome back."
"Thanks I'm going back Monday."
And the guy's stone cold humor is tops. That interview.
Also, Moon, LMAO.
"I was in Mexico for 3 weeks and not practicing I'm never doing that again."
"Oh you were in Mexico welcome back."
"Thanks I'm going back Monday."
Did anyone see the Crush - Westballz set. Westballz did a Westballz
https://clips.twitch.tv/WealthyOpenGuanacoTriHard
https://clips.twitch.tv/WealthyOpenGuanacoTriHard
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Looks like a public beta for a Smash 4 mod that adds Melee mechanics released. Basically PM for Smash 4 but they don't want to be affiliated with it. Currently called Melee HD but they plan to change it before the 1.0 release.
I haven't done anything with Wii U modding so I don't know how to use it. Might look into it though.
Guy in that Dollar Shave Club commercial looks like SFAT, always think of it being him when I see it.
MIOM Rankings for 2017 started. This is the first year I've recognized every player in the 91-100 section.
Phil quitting commentary, says he's just tired of doing it. Disappointing, but unfair to expect him to keep doing it just because.
I haven't done anything with Wii U modding so I don't know how to use it. Might look into it though.
Guy in that Dollar Shave Club commercial looks like SFAT, always think of it being him when I see it.
MIOM Rankings for 2017 started. This is the first year I've recognized every player in the 91-100 section.
Phil quitting commentary, says he's just tired of doing it. Disappointing, but unfair to expect him to keep doing it just because.
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Just watched the Valhalla Grand Finals between Leffen and Armada. Leffen looked so damn good in those matches. This might be Leffen's year. Really looking forward to Genesis.
Anyone see the WaveLand speedrun at AGDQ? Looks pretty neat, it's a game based around, uh, wavelanding and wavedashing and shining. Didn't know it had released.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/216565800?t=2h59m30s
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/216565800?t=2h59m30s
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Hax controller stream tl;dr
He's basically committing to making and manufacturing a physical implementation of UCF because it's the only way it's going to be viable at a major where an ISO modification just isn't going to fly.
Basically an arduino-based adapter that fixes dashback and shield drop like UCF, and also fixes 1.0 cardinal directions. Seemingly per-setup, so four ports like the USB GC adapters, with switches per port to enable or disable it.
Iffy on his shield drop stuff. I feel like it's going to be controversial like the perfect angles were before.
He's basically committing to making and manufacturing a physical implementation of UCF because it's the only way it's going to be viable at a major where an ISO modification just isn't going to fly.
Basically an arduino-based adapter that fixes dashback and shield drop like UCF, and also fixes 1.0 cardinal directions. Seemingly per-setup, so four ports like the USB GC adapters, with switches per port to enable or disable it.
Iffy on his shield drop stuff. I feel like it's going to be controversial like the perfect angles were before.
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https://www.resetera.com/threads/genesis-5-smash-bros-super-major-tournament-jan-19-21.17456/
Made a thread for Genesis 5
Made a thread for Genesis 5
Genesis 5 ruled. Not just top 8, but the top 64 on Saturday was really fantastic too.
I still think it's worth investing in the non-fox v puff matchup. Puff is just so perfect at taking advantage of the spacies' glass cannon nature and semi-invalidating the matchup chart.
I still think it's worth investing in the non-fox v puff matchup. Puff is just so perfect at taking advantage of the spacies' glass cannon nature and semi-invalidating the matchup chart.
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For Hbox, probably. I think Fox-Puff is still pretty clearly Fox favored but for someone as ridiculously good at Hungrybox it's probably better to just go with whatever character the player is most comfortable with. Trying to rely on a Fox secondary just for him seems like a problem.
I feel similar about Armada swapping off Peach. He lost one set to Plup and gave up on the matchup, and Fox is a lot more vulnerable to getting blown up. Armada is not going to remain as consistent as he was in the past if he keeps playing Fox against more players, more people know the matchup better than Peach and there is a lot of variance that comes with the character so he will have to take the lows with the highs.
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I have mixed feelings about it. I think Fox definitely wins that matchup by a long shot, so it's not hard to imagine that the decrease in skill with a character is more than made up for by Fox's tools.
That said, I think Marth can do it. He can't force Puff to approach like Fox can, but at least he has some range and priority. If M2K would adopt some of Zain's shenanigans (or if Zain reached M2K's consistency), I think he'd match up really well with HBox.
That said, I think Marth can do it. He can't force Puff to approach like Fox can, but at least he has some range and priority. If M2K would adopt some of Zain's shenanigans (or if Zain reached M2K's consistency), I think he'd match up really well with HBox.
axe can take hbox to the edge in that terrible matchup. Giving up on your character so easily is lame
Did PPMD use Marth or Falco against Puff?
I think that M2k actually learning pivot fsmashes would do wonders for his floaty matchups.
PP used Falco. Hbox was pretty different two years ago though. Here's hoping he actually does come back and shows everyone how to play the matchup.
Also, I don't think PP really ran into HBox during his Marth era unless we're counting that doubles set at BMR. He avoided him in his Apex win, at Genesis 3, and at 5 Gods.
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