Yeah, the concept art shows some exciting ideas but Trevorrow would have bungled the execution.
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Concept Art from Star Wars: Duel of the Fates
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Wouldn't say it's overly-explained. If anything the Mortis arc left way more questions than answers and added to the larger than life aspect of the force.
No way it would have been worse than ROS unless Rey became Shmi or something outrageous.
Again, a hypothetical. All I know is the ideas and leaked script have been more positively received so far than the actual movie we got. Maybe it would have been worse, but on a purely conceptional level I will be in agreement that it is a superior pitch compared to the mess we ultimately got.
As always, execution is everything, but RoS is a very low hurdle to clear for many at this point.
The dead speak and they fly now and all that.
I guess, either way you slice it, it was too much for me.
It was like the Star Wars version of when Elrond, Sarumon and Galadriel get super powers in the Hobbit and fight the Nazgul ghosts. It was cool to watch, but....where's the groundedness that we saw in the original trilogy?
Cool artwork, but really, the only thing that looks like a direct improvement is Rey's outfit and lightsaber.
I mean, you have to keep the "Grass is always greener" mentality in mind, here. I guarantee you that had this movie come out instead and the execution of these ideas was shitty, leaked JJ concept art would've set the fanbase ablaze as well. If the Battle of Coruscant was lame and weird, and people found concept art of an Ancient Sith Planet and all that shit - people would've swooned.
Case and point, you referenced two things in the script/screenplay, not things that would've been in the concept art lol.
On the opposite side JJ has good execution but horribly bland ideas so I'm not sure what would be worse
The force was never grounded? It was always an highly mystical element that's extent was never truly known. Vader himself remarks how the power of the Death Star is nothing compared to that of the Force.
I honestly can't tell if you know what I mean and are just playing devil's advocate or if I really need to get into the weeds of what I'm trying to say here...
There's a difference between Vader saying that and a room full of Imperials rolling their eyes to what happens in the Mortis arc lol.
I guess then explain what you mean by the force being "grounded" in the OT. Was it how it was used? How it was explained?
Do you really not see the difference between how the Force is described, used, etc. - in the OT, vs how it's been used in story arcs like Mortis, the World Beyond Worlds in Rebels, and that sort of thing?
It went from being an allegory for faith/religion that certain people can get mild super powers through vs having people bend reality, possibly time travel etc., and have it be the answer for literally everything in the SW universe.
Even GL didn't really abuse to the point that these other things have.
To be pedantic, I don't mind "the dead speak" - but I do have a problem with Palpatine being back, so I would have disliked that concept.
And "they fly now" is apparently some big revelation for the crew... even though jetpacks have been a thing for troopers for ages, so the concept art would have done nothing for me whatsoever if they showed it.
The issue of Palpatine's return and flying troopers are merely condensed to the scripted lines that absolutely fail to sell us on the concept.
Is part of the city upside down like Solaris in Xenogears?
That's the citadel that the First Order built on the planet. Near the end of the movie, it's revealed to be a giant Star Destroyer that lifts off as war rages below it. I believe the second piece is it taking off.
Edit: I remember reading this information somewhere but now I can't find it. So take this with a grain of salt.
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For me the Force in the new stuff is just an expansion of all of that. The moment the Force allowed powerful enough users to be able to keep themselves together after death meant all bets were off. Persisting after death itself is a huge jump.
Just realized if they would of gone with the blue double blade I bet it would of been made from Anakins/Luke and Leias sabers.
As opposed to what we got from Abrams, which was bungled ideas with exciting execution.
... A part of me now wants to swap heads for my General Kenobi figure with Finn now.
Ugh. What a great idea that is.
I'm currently getting an art commission of almost exactly that concept for him
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That big ship-like thing in the middle of the city reminds me of Gralea in FFXV, just bigger.
Is part of the city upside down like Solaris in Xenogears?
I'm currently getting an art commission of almost exactly that concept for him
There's no point in me rehashing everything I dislike about TROS, but it is stuff like this that makes my dislike of the film go from frustration to resentment. They had one last run with all of these characters and instead of interesting, thought-provoking stuff like this we got… yea
I'm currently getting an art commission of almost exactly that concept for him
Why is Finn so tall and face so smooth and angular?
Well, it's a concept. Still in prog, I'm sure the face is just more generic for now, and height is most likely just that people tend to draw tall with dudes.
Looks cooler and has sooome of its own identity at least. Still, I think that rumoured leak script would've probably been received poorly as well tbh
Yup. TFA and TLJ are still really good. It's the third film that completely drops the ball and feels like it doesn't belong.
I'm currently getting an art commission of almost exactly that concept for him
I love Finn using the three red blood streaks from his helmet in TFA as an insignia/war paint. That's so good!
Maybe JJ directing from CT's script would hit the sweet spot?
This is generating so much good will for Trevorrow that I almost wonder if he leaked this artwork himself. Him not getting to make his movie is turning out to be a blessing in disguise :P
This is where both TLJ and TROS botched it. He should have been going towards that in TLJ, with TROS being full on leading.
That's good about R2, he must never die.
He was going towards that in TLJ. He went from running away from the fight to charging head first into a mini Death Star. Nothing was stopping TROS from having Finn lead a stormtrooper uprising, I mean it was in the concepts for the original version of Episode IX. Even TROS flirts with the idea by introducing the pointless character of Jannah. If they hadn't wasted time on an hour of trinket hunting maybe we could have got some character work instead.
Not yelling Rey, not accurate enough.It's not quite Obi-Wan/Jedi enough like the above art, but my quick take on it...
It's just a repeat of TFA though, Finn was never just a coward, the dude charged Kylo Ren in a lightsaber duel. Noone would be surprised if you told them Finn would charge in the FO army after his arc in TFA. The problem is Poe got the leadership arc while Finn repeated his arc slightly differently. It's wasted time.