Dehumanization of prisoners is so common in our society (and video games in particular) that I'm sure most people dont blink an eye at it.
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Concerning Spider-man's pro-NYPD/surveillance state messages
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I'm not sure I get the surveillance state stuff. It just seems like the radio communication and alarm system for the city.
The pro-cop stuff is also a bit strange. You fight crooked cops in the very first level of the game and most of the time the police are pretty useless, just arresting people after Spidey deals with them. Spidey also complains a lot about how they often shoot at him. Yuri and Davis are the only two that are shown in a positive light or even have much of a presence.
The pro-cop stuff is also a bit strange. You fight crooked cops in the very first level of the game and most of the time the police are pretty useless, just arresting people after Spidey deals with them. Spidey also complains a lot about how they often shoot at him. Yuri and Davis are the only two that are shown in a positive light or even have much of a presence.
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To me that's just a kind of lazy way to give you more enemies. It sort of happens and nothing interesting is ever done with it. Just some more side content
Yeah, we should have spider-man beat up cops instead. all cops are evil anyways, right?
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Spider-man lives in a world were cops are. mostly, decent people doing the right thing. It's a comic book story for heaven's sake. If you want to fight cops, play GTA or saints row.
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Spider-man lives in a world were cops are. mostly, decent people doing the right thing. It's a comic book story for heaven's sake. If you want to fight cops, play GTA or saints row.
Having a conscious set of beliefs doesn't mean you suddenly can't make art that in some way contradicts those beliefs through tone-deafness or blindspots.
It's almost as if people are beginning to understand that drug addiction is a disease and a medical crisis rather than a criminal justice one...imagine that.
It's almost like people complaining either didn't play the game or didn't pay attention.
Weird, right?
What movies about a spider themed superhuman are taken as a serious modern day social commentary in its entirety ?
And who is crowd that we must seek validation from to consider gaming as a serious medium? Or better yet why is its acceptance as a serious medium dependant on every single product that this crowd can find the time to critique? Why is their approval so important?
Yes, let's leave these heavily armed people alone. These are the suppliers that Spidey is dealing with, not the addicts.
Not sure if you are suggesting that Spiderman is beating up the users who need help and not the criminal dealers... is stretching me thinks.
They're just Ass Creed towers. That's about the extent of it.
Batman works with the Commissioner, it doesn't mean he's an extension of the GCPD y'know? The more salient issue taken here is how Peter naively trusts the Oscorp surveillance that cops use and that he easily hacks into.
I thought he was doing this just to report the model of the car as in to get the manufacturer in trouble.
Also, this game does have dirty cops, so I don't really agree that this game is completely pro-cop. It definitely does paint the police as having some bad apples even if the game has that theme.
Then you some of jjj' ramblings are given serious thought later on.
Neither Spider-Man nor TDK presents a neutral or positive outlook on mass surveillance. I'd also say if you live in any big city this stuff already exists.
As far as the drug busts, I'm not sure why people have problems with those either. We're not talking about marijuana here.
That's literally it. That's all it is. And Spider-Man "hacks" into them so he can know what crimes are happening in that area.
For some people any amount of cops being shown in a positive light is to much.
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Of course there is, but not really the topic of this thread. Hundreds of escaped convicts end up turning into just another mega gang to inconvenience Spiderman and achieve ??? no actual goals or plans. It's the same as the faceless "thug" crimes. Just more short sighted and naive black and white writing. Spidey is good, thugs and criminals bad. Enjoy!
And what "idealistic" NYC has constant gun battles on every street corner?
It's really only in that Fisk mission, the rest of the time the cops generally love you (with the exception of a side mission and even then the cop ends up liking you at the end). It's extremely pro-cop of a game.
So why should I feel bad about Spidey beating the shit out of people selling the stuff to addicts?
Spider-Man is most definitely a narc and I felt weird with how giddy he got about beating drug dealers half to death but he called people 'fascists' enough time to remind me that this was a silly video game and clear my conscience.
A disease and medical crisis that people kidnap, shoot, and kill each other over. But law enforcement has no jurisdiction over that?
Here's another article talking about it: https://www.theringer.com/2018/9/12/17848460/spider-man-ps4-police
The parts where Spider-Man is setting up police surveillance is almost exactly how SpOck kept track of crime in Superior Spider-Man.
I didn't suggest otherwise, just that we have plenty of evidence to suggest the war on drugs doesnt work, yet here we have a game indulging in the idea that "maybe it would work if we had superhuman people backing the police up".
Look, it's not that big of a deal, its certainly not even close to the worst portrayal of the issue I've ever seen in a video game, but its probably worth having a conversation about.
Ok, well I do, at least enough to bring it up. Maybe if our society was one that treated prisoners humanely it wouldnt bother me as much, but we dont.
Not suggesting that.
saw this on twitter earlier (I hope it is from a joke site)
You mean, like the rest of the world not called USA?
I didn't get that portrayal of him at all -- he's basically right on the mark, except for his Achilles's heel that is Spider-Man, which was how he was generally portrayed in the comics. He's a great newspaperman, had integrity, had knowledge, but just can't get it right when Spider-Man is involved. In the past, it's been painted as a balance, to preventing spidey's ego from taking over.
I mean, a lot of what he says it's right on target in the game ... Until Spider-Man comes up.
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i know. that's what i said. as for spider-man i wasn't trying to make such a statement - i'm only a few hours in.
I knew with the hate the police get on here that this thread would pop up eventually.
Spider-Man has always been pro cop, though there were times they did not like him.
End of the day he is helping them. If anything shouldn't we want the police to strive to be as good as the ones in this very fictional video game?
As for the surviellance stuff. I have no problem with it, we live in a fucked up world and with 9/11 anniversary just being yesterday, as a resident of NY, I welcome it with open arms. So seeing it being depicted in game really isn't that big of a deal.
Spider-Man has always been pro cop, though there were times they did not like him.
End of the day he is helping them. If anything shouldn't we want the police to strive to be as good as the ones in this very fictional video game?
As for the surviellance stuff. I have no problem with it, we live in a fucked up world and with 9/11 anniversary just being yesterday, as a resident of NY, I welcome it with open arms. So seeing it being depicted in game really isn't that big of a deal.
Give examples please.
Here are my counter examples:
Spider-Man fights crooked cops.
Tons of pro environment missions.
Peter and Aunt May work/volunteer at a homeless shelter.
Peter ostensibly turns down six figures from multiple people to help people with Otto at his lab.
Spider-Man's job isn't to reform the healthcare system and law surrounding drugs. His job is to keep the streets safe and clear.
This is ridiculous. You're playing a Super Hero game. Of course cops are going to be portrayed as good. For Christ sakes Spidey uses a police scanner, has multiple police officer allies, like DeWolfe and Yuri Watanabe. Hell even Miles' dad is a cop. Plus I mean the game still has suspect cops in it pretty sure the first mission has dirty cops in it. Y'all ridiculous.
https://www.theringer.com/2018/9/12/17848460/spider-man-ps4-police
Ringer posted a similar article.
Whoops, beaten- swore I C+F'd.
Ringer posted a similar article.
Whoops, beaten- swore I C+F'd.
I mean, he's helping one cop who is a trusted friend of his. By extension he's helping the cops because he's getting their work done before them and leaving the cleanup to them (which, unfortunately is probably saving many lives). His friend likes Spider-Man's methods and wants his aid so that more crime can be addressed more quickly, despite the questionable legality of what she's doing. Spider-Man doesn't even have proper permission to use the towers! He's breaking the law to fight crime more effectively! The cops are always giving him a hard time in the game, too! I don't really see the explicitly "pro-cop" stance much here, Pete's just using their tools to fight crime in a more effective way and helps Watanabe (who he trusts to be a good cop) in her larger operations, where she can mobilize the police force to in-turn help Spider-Man.
The criminal justice system in the US disproportionately targets and prosecutes minorities for minor charges.
Also, all drugs should be decriminalized, lots of people selling drugs do so tu supplement their shitty incomes in a system where the cards are stacked against them.
But that is not the opinion of most americans. Most Americans don't give a shit about minorities.
I mean this is all pretty par for the course when it comes to superhero stuff, isn't it? Not that it removes the legitimate complaints, but i'm suprised to see how many people seem to be "suprised" by it or something. Like what