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What I really don't understand is this alleged concept of "I'll vote for you...but only the first time and then I'm going opposed!!" Like...what the hell is the logic here? If you don't mind him winning then why abandon the idea so soon, knowing that literally any GOP candidate is unlikely to win on a first ballot right now.

Then again I guess I shouldn't need to ask when failing to govern is entirely the goal of the party, so intentioned dysfunction ought to be part for the course.
For some if it can get done on one ballot they will bite the bullet, but if voting has to go over and over again they might as well try to push someone else they prefer.

Also voting for Jorden once to get the government working again is a bit easier to defend on the campaign trails than voting over and over again for such an awful, losing candidate.
 

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All those early theatric "hard no" / "never Jim" media darlings, like Mike Rogers and Ann Wagner, that caved over the weekend look dumb and spineless when the 1st round ended up with 20 defections.
Are we gonna have another Republican prayer group with Ann Wagner crying in the center?
 
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All those early theatric "hard no" / "never Jim" media darlings, like Mike Rogers and Ann Wagner, that caved over the weekend look dumb and spineless when the 1st round ended up with 20 defections.


Especially hilarious considering Rogers and Wagner were some of the last to cast votes. There were like a dozen+ anti-Jordan votes by the time it got to them.
 

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I don't understand how some R's in swing districts don't vote for Jeffries. It's an easy slam dunk of "I can teach across the aisle to get things done"

I mean, I actually can't understand, they're useless and only vote for their own interests. But still, I can ponder.
 

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nyt pitchbot: how the 12th round of the McCarthy vote shows the dems flailing out of control
 

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I don't understand how some R's in swing districts don't vote for Jeffries. It's an easy slam dunk of "I can teach across the aisle to get things done"

I mean, I actually can't understand, they're useless and only vote for their own interests. But still, I can ponder.
They'll lose their primaries.
 

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What this underscores is that the GOP is now in full on Great Schism mode. McCarthy, Scalise, Jordan and their varying factions.
 
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I don't understand how some R's in swing districts don't vote for Jeffries. It's an easy slam dunk of "I can teach across the aisle to get things done"

I mean, I actually can't understand, they're useless and only vote for their own interests. But still, I can ponder.
Gotta survive the primary too, can't do that if you voted for a dem.
 

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I don't understand how some R's in swing districts don't vote for Jeffries. It's an easy slam dunk of "I can teach across the aisle to get things done"

I mean, I actually can't understand, they're useless and only vote for their own interests. But still, I can ponder.
They don't want their overall Party to turn against them. Could affect funding.
 
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What I really don't understand is this alleged concept of "I'll vote for you...but only the first time and then I'm going opposed!!" Like...what the hell is the logic here? If you don't mind him winning then why abandon the idea so soon, knowing that literally any GOP candidate is unlikely to win on a first ballot right now.

Then again I guess I shouldn't need to ask when failing to govern is entirely the goal of the party, so intentioned dysfunction ought to be par for the course.
I could rationalize that as being worried about going against Jordan being used against them in a primary. By voting for him on the first ballot they have cover to say they supported him until it became clear he wasn't able to get the votes.
 
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Will this just be an exact repeat of what happened when McCarthy got voted in? Where the Republicans eventually just said fuck it after a bunch of rounds of voting?
 

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The beatings will continue until Jimmy becomes the Speaker.
 

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Will this just be an exact repeat of what happened when McCarthy got voted in? Where the Republicans eventually just said fuck it after a bunch of rounds of voting?
That's what I assume, but the card McCarthy played to finally get elected was agreeing to the very thing that ultimately got him ousted. Not sure what sort of concession Jordon would make to finally get enough votes, unless just wearing them down is enough.
 
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Just need five present votes and three Rs to flip yes to Hakeem.


I'm pretty sure Jordan will get it, honestly.
he might

there was a pretty different mood around it at the time. people thought it was all games and we could all eventually get there after we had our "fun"

now no votes have a lot more weight

or maybe they dont, im no pundit
 

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That's what I assume, but the card McCarthy played to finally get elected was agreeing to the very thing that ultimately got him ousted. Not sure what sort of concession Jordon would make to finally get enough votes, unless just wearing them down is enough.
Yep. Jordan and McCarthy had different holdouts. Situation is not comparable.
 

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I don't understand how some R's in swing districts don't vote for Jeffries. It's an easy slam dunk of "I can teach across the aisle to get things done"

I mean, I actually can't understand, they're useless and only vote for their own interests. But still, I can ponder.

Nah, moderate Republicans or even Republicans in blue-ish districts, are more at risk from being primaried from their right wing, than they are being beaten by a Democrat from the center or left.

Fundraising is a major risk here too. Any Republican who votes for Jeffries, even in a toss up district, would have to fundraise for both a primary campaign and general election campaign, and then fundraising limits from non-PAC donations are limited to the calendar year, not the race. So, for instance, if you have an expensive primary race and need to go to the well from your regular donors, they all give you the federal max, AND THEN you need to fundraise again for your general election race against the Democrat, a lot of those bread and butter donors might be tapped out.

There's also just not many donors in a district who would say, "wow, I love that the Republican voted for a Democratic speaker, here's $3,300," as opposed to people in that same district who would say, "WHAT?! My Republican rep voted for a Democratic speaker?! I'm going to give $3,300 to ANYBODY who would primary them."

And for any Republican who votes for Jeffries in a sign of bipartisanship, would get $0 from PACs.
 

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Honestly I dont think JJ will ever get enough votes.

This probably ends one of two ways:
McCarthy being elected again with D help and some small concessions like allowing floor votes on a few Bill's Ds want

A compromise moderate R with the same concessions as above

A random moderate R congressman with just R votes after enough days of this going on, just to get SOMEONE in the chair. This would need to he some "irrelevant" no name congressman
 

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Honestly I dont think JJ will ever get enough votes.

This probably ends one of two ways:
McCarthy being elected again with D help and some small concessions like allowing floor votes on a few Bill's Ds want

A compromise moderate R with the same concessions as above

A random moderate R congressman with just R votes after enough days of this going on, just to get SOMEONE in the chair. This would need to he some "irrelevant" no name congressman

or we could just not have a speaker, government shuts down, republicans absolve themselves of any responsibility and just blame the dems the whole way through into the next election
 

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Honestly I dont think JJ will ever get enough votes.

This probably ends one of two ways:
McCarthy being elected again with D help and some small concessions like allowing floor votes on a few Bill's Ds want

A compromise moderate R with the same concessions as above

A random moderate R congressman with just R votes after enough days of this going on, just to get SOMEONE in the chair. This would need to he some "irrelevant" no name congressman
Seeing how McCarthy continues with his stupidity in blaming Dems for everything, I don't see them helping that fool regain the gavel.
 
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or we could just not have a speaker, government shuts down, republicans absolve themselves of any responsibility and just blame the dems the whole way through into the next election

I mean, they could try that, but it's pretty cut and dry even to people who are usually susceptible to that type of shit that we are where we are because R's can't agree among themselves on how to govern and who to make speaker.
 

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or we could just not have a speaker, government shuts down, republicans absolve themselves of any responsibility and just blame the dems the whole way through into the next election
Well I would consider that with this not "ending" lol. But I dont see this happening. It would be electorally devastating. They can blame dems all they want, and maybe thay would work for the base, but moderates wont buy that shit.

Seeing how McCarthy continues with his stupidity in blaming Dems for everything, I don't see them helping that fool regain the gavel.
Eh, people overlook past statements all the time in politics. If he made some concessions to them in written form (like clean vote on ukraine, and a couple other items) they would he stupid not to take him up on it
 
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