If anything, assuming the black Muslim woman must be expressing hatred against Jewish people is 5x more problematic than presuming she is saying something obvious like "a lobbying group lobbies people."
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Congresswoman Omar ignites new anti-Semitism controversy with comments on AIPAC
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Which is why Omar should be more considerate and deliberate in her tweets regarding the issue, so that she doesn't accidentally use something that could be interpreted poorly.
People wouldn't assume she's was being anti-semitic if she didn't evoke anti-semitic tropes :shrugsville:
Her apology shows she's learned from this so hopefully we won't be having a thread like this in the future.
thats the kind of political awareness that most of the electorate has
you know, plenty of generic phrases have bigoted meanings behind them
She didn't "evoke" shit. AIPAC is not an ethnicity. Maybe you need to think a little more about how Islamophobia, racism, and sexism has played into people's reactions towards her.
And what's being missed here is that if anti semetic tropes were in fact being employed here...there's nothing to say on why so much tone policing and scrutiny is being applied to this black Muslim woman?
There are a lot of reasons many people would like to see Schumer gone as Majority leader. This is one of them. His shitty views on the topic are very much his own.
Basically a more cleaned up version of that Ben Shapiro Tweet that Arabs like to bomb shit and live in sewerage.
I read it as too many politicians in the pockets of the lobby.
But, people will see what they want when they have the chance to deflect criticism away from Israel
And the context is why she's not being forced to step down for being anti-semitic (because she wasn't being anti-semitic, before some of y'all try to deliberately misinterpret), and instead is just apologizing and promising to be more considerate next time.
Wow, so Omar posts yet another dogwhistle tweet and it's Islamophobia to call it out? Did Pelosi force her to apologize because she is sexist too?
Probably because they considered it and decided that hate would be the wrong word to use there and so changed the language to something more appropriate.
You know, like Omar should have done before sending out the tweet.
She didn't take back what she said about AIPAC and lobbying money, because that is correct, and it isn't "evoking a trope" to point it out.
Oh, do go on.
Exactly; I really doubt that she is going to be able to do anything but walk on eggshells as a black Muslim woman in Congress in America, especially w/r/t Israel. She's taking it all like a champ, I gotta say.
I see that most sensible people climbed down from the windowsill this morning. Omar clarified, and still maintains that AIPAC ain't shit.
this should be in the OP honestly
it is, however, evoking a trope to evoke a trope and thankfully she apologized for that. she doesn't ever need to apologize for shitting on aipac or combating the power of lobbyists in politics
Hopefully the main messaging that comes across from all of this is "AIPAC ain't shit"
How did you feel about Harris and her shitty views on Israel and Palestine? Is that problematic?
Well yes, people not understanding it, I guess. Also you know, probably because it's a divisive topic about money in US politics, Israel (threads are always a doozy) and here we've got a Muslim American woman being dogpiled and accused of discriminatory ideology - which is frankly hilarious. The accusation, not the dogpiling.
Her accidental use of tangentially anti-semitic language needs to be separated from her existence as a black muslim woman. Clearly she's going to get undue criticism from racists, bigots, and sexists just for being who she is, but that does not mean all criticism directed at her is related or motivated by her sex, religion, or skin color.
You can't do that and take the position you are taking on AIPAC and her criticism.
She didn't; people took it that way, and my read on that is that people seem ready to presume the black Muslim woman is operating out of anti-Jewish hatred because of their own problematic biases.
How so? I clearly stated that I do not believe Omar is being intentionally anti-semitic.
Liberals fumbling all over themselves when faced with bad faith critiques will never not be the dumbest thing.
Intentionality doesn't matter. You are affording one side almost infinite room for identitarian interpretation while saying the other has to be divorced from it.
I mean, that's a take I suppose, but it seems to be the last bastion of the pro "it's all about the benjamins" crowd.
Intentionally often doesn't matter, I am affording one side the benefit of the doubt based on a vague tweet that could be interpreted poorly, while deflecting the notion that all the criticism based on said tweet is motivated by racism.
But but she loves making Trump look bad!
Just another establishment Dem who obviously receives money from AIPAC and other pro-Israel lobbies. I can't take anything she says seriously when it comes to this topic.
I mean, I could just flip what you said and say that that's not what's happening here and you're just taking it that way and we could go around in circles
but it doesn't really matter because she, unlike many in this thread, actually acknowledged what happened, apologized for what needed to be apologized for (unequivocally, I might add), and doubled down on what needed to be doubled down on
a lot of yall could learn a thing or three from her
So Max Rose and others on the left side of the political axis were criticizing in bad faith?
Like when LeBron has his gaffe people knew there wasn't no malice there. But the language in context was much more dangerously evoked because it ties back to Judaism.
When people fuck up, they fuck up. But now I'm sitting here wondering how you can talk about Israeli influence (with no mention or context of Judaism) on American policy WITHOUT invoking the factor of money. Because doing that is invoking anti semetic tropes apparently.
When people fuck up, they fuck up. But now I'm sitting here wondering how you can talk about Israeli influence (with no mention or context of Judaism) on American policy WITHOUT invoking the factor of money. Because doing that is invoking anti semetic tropes apparently.
I mean, it's no accident that she's an elected congresswoman. She's smart and I can't wait to see more of her in American politics.
I mean, she did it in her apology. You can say "AIPAC is a lobbying group that has undue influence over American politics, much like numerous other lobbying groups" without catching (too much) heat. Her initial tweet didn't say that though, even if you could read between the lines to find that implication.
exactly, that's why we were actually waiting for an apology. if there was suspected malice this whole thing would have been very different.
yeah the freshman dems actually have me optimistic about the future of politics in america and never in all my years on this planet did I ever think I'd say that
You can invoke the factor of money! You just need to be specific about the context of what you're talking about, like she was in her apology.
Hey, she's in Congress and I'm not, and there's a reason. But, if I were her, I would be looking at the white, pro-Israel Democratic leadership and thinking, "I see you."
Except she clarified before the apology and people were still up in arms.
She (badly) clarified hours later after having RT'd a guy complaining about the anti-semitic overtones.
The future does not erase the past.
Pretty much. The important part for the twitter impaired:
But many of the posters here clearly don't give a shit about context.
That's because the wheels of outrage had already started downhill and it's sometimes impossible to stop the cycle mid cycle.
Hopefully her apology helps it all die down.
tsk tsk-ing ilhan omar isn't necessarily islamophobia, you're just playing into the hands of and doing all the hard work for the islamophobes and racists and zionists when you do it
when one's behavior is indistinguishable from those criticizing her in bad faith because they want to silence dissent on the subject of Israel's stranglehold over American policy, they should be reconsider whose ally they really are
Omar's "poor choice of words" are a drop in the ocean compared to democrats and republicans alike tacitly supporting Israel's apartheid and genocide. She did absolutely nothing wrong in the face of Israel committing war crimes 24/7.
well yeah, there's corrupt politicians as far as the eye can see. I was more talking in response to the people that she represents (either directly or just through being a voice in politics). when you say things like she did publicly it doesn't just affect other politicians it affects everyone who looks to you to be a voice for them within our system.
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