Can literally be done in private and not made into the theater it is now. The dog piling isn't needed and the incessant hand wringing from pundits is over the top
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Congresswoman Omar ignites new anti-Semitism controversy with comments on AIPAC
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Yeah, I agree with you that what she tweeted was foolish. It wasn't the first time either, not to mention her tweets about Venezuela.
Still, I'm frustrated over how your dems has handled the situation. They themselves could have done better.
If this was true. Tlaib would also be getting thrown under the bus.
She's not, because she's less sloppy.
I really, really want AIPAC to lose influence. Almost as much as I wanted the NRA, because imo, this lobby is killing people. Straight up.
But to beat them, you need a great voice for it. Even the Parkland kids couldn't do it to the NRA. And they get way more play than Omar.
She told no lies, but literally nothing she says about Israel is ever going to be okay with a bunch of people because she's Muslim. Even non-Muslims have to step lightly around discussing Israel in U.S. politics, because she told no lies.
If it was good realpolitik you can somehow justify that shit, but this crap only help people who want to say that all critics of Israel are racists, which is a position that the GOP is always gonna win on.
I personally think that not branding legitimate criticism of Israel is more important than being sloppy on twitter.
Also, I remember a whole lot of Democrats being very sloppy on twitter, and I don't remember Pelosi admonish them like that. I think ignoring how Israel and AIPAC is being treated in American policy is something that you can do when talking about this issue, because at the end of the day, that what really matter here and that's what's really at stake.
For all the pearl-clutching, Ilhan Omar isn't moving the needle on antisemitism.
Let's be honest, the problem House Dems had was with the original statement and the uncomfortable position it put them in. It's what the GOP responded to and it is what other Dems responded to. This is about attacking all criticism of Israel. Before it was about trying to make constitutionally protected boycotts illegal. Anyone who criticizes Israel or Israel's Lobbying PAC is going to get smeared by both sides using whatever bad faith ammunition is needed.
It's a safe Dem seat. Pelosi doesn't care if Omar is politically damaged bercause the Dems will keep the seat. In fact she'd probably rather have someone more conservative in the seat.
NRA is cool too, because they have no influence on elections or legislation. Let's stop pretending that lobbying firms and Non-Profits don't have a major impact on our government and individual pieces of legislation.
I don't like this conflation of Israel/Israel lobby criticism with anti-semitsm by people on both sides of the aisle. First of all, it's a disservice to victims of actual anti-semitism, especially those victims that lost their lives due to pure hatred. Second, it makes Israel essentially infallible and gives them the right to act with impunity.
If you're asking me, I would prefer it if Ilhan Omar did not make those tweets in the manner that she did, but the elephant in the room(AIPAC's lobbying) did need to be pointed out at some point.
If you're asking me, I would prefer it if Ilhan Omar did not make those tweets in the manner that she did, but the elephant in the room(AIPAC's lobbying) did need to be pointed out at some point.
Fucking terrible that.
You'd expect the speaker of the house to be the mediator and the voice of reason when your president aint shit.
Instead she piles on Omar while ignoring the controversy regarding AIPAC.
That's not what I mean though. Dog piling her and making theater of it isn't about any sort of corrective behavior.
What it is is a perfect deterrent for other members of the party though. Use her as just another example of what happens when you choose to criticize legalised bribery/corruption or israel (or both in this instance).
No matter who americans vote for the "bad guys" always win
Come on, I don't have to humor you because you know exactly what I mean.
I'm not Jewish, but as a Black Gay I've had way too many conversations where I've had to explain that "I think it's a reach to be offended here" is not actually a good excuse or defense, or that finding someone who isn't offended doesn't now mean that nobody can be offended, or that all exclamations of offense are not coming from a place of bad faith, etc.
A quick look shows me that some real, genuine people are offended by Omar in this instance. And some are actually putting in the effort to explain why they are. That should be enough.
I always laugh when centrist dems clutch their pearls over Israel when Netanyahu fucking campaigns for GOP candidates.
Well, then. Let's see some advocacy for major Dem figures to not go to AIPAC again, let's see them argue they don't support what they stand for because AIPAC does not stand for what's best for Israel. I'm sure they'll be very eloquent and considerate and quite milquetoast.
But it won't matter, I can't wait to see the accusations of antisemitism even then.
*facepalm*
Please hire more black journalists that know the emoji was in reference to the song.
So, is it dogpiling when people reply in mass amounts to Northam's newest sloppy racial fuckup? Royalan says it better than I can but the double standard was blatant.
Northam made uneducated ignorant statement . Omar made a factual statement of about lobbying
There's a history of African American politicians being silenced for their support for Palestine, and criticism of Israel. This is completely in line with that and not one bit surprising. Omar is being brave, and she knew what would happen for being brave.
This really just highlights the ugly Islamophobia that just seems to be ingrained in American society and politics.
This really just highlights the ugly Islamophobia that just seems to be ingrained in American society and politics.
She RTed a guy complaining her original tweet was anti-semitic. That's not a "factual statement about lobbying".
For reference to anyone:
Everybody nods in agreement, but the second you namedrop Israel lobbyist groups engaging in everything AOC described, enter the smear campaign.
Dem leadership showed their true colors today. It was possible to call out poor wording on Omar's part without positioning the Democratic Party line as unequivocally pro-Israel and pro-AIPAC. They did the exact opposite. They also highlight their hypocrisy by claiming they are anti-hatred, yet share values and strategic interests with a literal and self-defined ethnostate that is killing children and journalists, and all but committing genocide.
Pelosi and thus the Democratic Party has sided with the Right and with hate today. Never forget that. Let's make sure the Democratic Party does better.
Pelosi and thus the Democratic Party has sided with the Right and with hate today. Never forget that. Let's make sure the Democratic Party does better.
And orders the execution (via snipers) of Palestinian children and medics.
I've never seen so much fake outrage in response to a clear critique of a foreign nation in my life. This is like Saudi arabia was a few years ago where you had almost zero talk about it despite it being clear dictatorial anti human rights crusader of the world, while on the human rights council
I hope this is one issue where there can be no confusion between well meaning centrists and progressive viewpoints. We need to defend people who make reasonable points in regards to fake narratives and character assassination when it comes to criticism of the US's convenient propaganda regarding allies and lobbyists in the government that the establishment considers untouchable
I hope this is one issue where there can be no confusion between well meaning centrists and progressive viewpoints. We need to defend people who make reasonable points in regards to fake narratives and character assassination when it comes to criticism of the US's convenient propaganda regarding allies and lobbyists in the government that the establishment considers untouchable
Not Jewish either but I'm a Black queer Muslim so believe me when I say I know what you're talking about however i don't find this to be comparable. Conflating Jewish people to a Pro-Netanyahu's regime lobby is messy but also the only way her comments can be misconstrued as anti-semetic. She certainly was flippant and that's definitely not the best approach to talking about this issue (although that's what the platform of twitter incentives so go figure) but it's a reach for me to presume those comments were anti-semitic especially understanding context and taking her very obvious intentions into account. Someone should pull her to the side and talk to her about her social media game so mistakes like this won't happen but everyone is dogpiling her and making theater of it all the while sidestepping the actual issue brought up in the first place that is pro-Netanyahu Regime lobbyists are putting in work at Washington in an effort to obscure Isreals crimes in Palestine. Straight up
As a Black Gay, one would hope you would be extra sensitive to the attempts to police minuscule deviations of discourse as "unacceptable" to deflect from the oppression of an entire people who are told that their lives and civil rights are not as important as the feelings of those who are in power. And one would hope you would be more attuned to the use of these tactics to stifle debate as the real transgression that needs to be addressed, rather than the perceived slight perpetuated by those acting in bad faith.
Yes, anti-Semitism exists. No, Ilhan Omar is not an anti-Semite. She is bravely taking on the entrenched, continued bipartisan support for Israel at the expense of Palestinians for three generations. It's not our job to pile on with the attacks that assume the worst of her, when this is the time where she needs the most support to hold strong.
As a Jew, I'm generally kinda uncomfortable with trying to draw parallels between the Jewish experience in the US and that of groups like African Americans. I mean, Jews are not only white in every way that matters, but we also have the highest favorability ratings of any ethnic or religious group. It wasn't always the case, and it took the holocaust to get us here, but we are here now. And it matters, like, a lot.
And in this issue specific, I think it's really important to acknowledge how many of the people who accuse critics of Israel of antisemitism are doing so in bad faith. I mean, it's the vast majority of it. I don't think that's a concern when black people are talking about racism.
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I want to break down being offended here, do you think this people who think she's a racist or people who don't think that but are still offended for some other reason?
Oh my posts were pre that democratic response. That's obviously frustrating and deserves its own condemnation. Condemnation for everybody!
You talking about the thing where he explicitly called slavery "indentured servitude"?
That was a willful distortion of history and downplaying of the violence and brutality of slavery.
Omar tweeted a rather plain reference to money in politics (an open fact) and tripped on a rule about criticizing Israel that shouldn't be a rule in the first place.
I don't know where these two intersect.
Not the same thing for me. In any case were having this discussion because you said that her actions needed to be corrected and I agree with that. I just don't think this is what that would look like nor do I concede her comments purposefully or mistakenly borrows from anti-semetic tropes
No worries man, I understood we were agreeing on a lot of things.
This is where they interesect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_antisemitism
And the RT was the biggest issue. It was explicitly about anti-semitism.
Congresswoman Omar's Response
Jesus Christ the Israeli propagandists have really done a number here. It is anti Semitic to even suggest that pro Israeli groups use money to buy influence so when pro Israeli groups use money to buy influence for real you just better not talk about it because boy, you're just anti Semitic. Fuck this BS. Come on.
Wow. Pelosi should be ashamed of that statement. But luckily others will also be critical of Israel's influence on American politics and money in general, so she won't be alone soon. I stand with you congresswoman Omar.
Pelosi will never criticize AIPAC. Because Omar is right that they have enormous influence in politics. Literally none of them will dare cross them -- it's just full-throated support for everything Israel and AIPAC.
It's so transparent. Every single criticism will be branded anti-semitic. People are going to sit here and literally tone police her when she just spoke the truth. Lobby = money. It's not anti-semitic to say one of the most influential lobbies in D.C. has money and uses it to exert influence on politicians.
This is some serious 1984 word manipulation crap.
You keep posting that.
It's still a problem that it's an open fact that many politicians are in the pockets of the Israeli lobby and trying to criticize them for it is akin to avoiding to step on a mine, on a field that is covered with it.
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