She said her friends were educating her on the history of anti-Semetic tropes. She worded this very specifically, obviously her words were not anti-semetic but she's acknowledging that it can be construed that way even if untrue.
She said her friends were educating her on the history of anti-Semetic tropes. She worded this very specifically, obviously her words were not anti-semetic but she's acknowledging that it can be construed that way even if untrue.
It works every time fam. Every time.one must stand in complete awe at people's abilities to control these narratives
Israel are absolute geniuses at what they do, its impressive to watch
In the mildest terms possible. Doubt we hear from her on the topic again. Congratulations, Israel wins again.
one must stand in complete awe at people's abilities to control these narratives
Israel leaders are absolute geniuses at what they do, its impressive to watch
She didnt use any antisemetic tropes and didnt say she did. She said she was grateful for people educating her on antisemitism, not that she said anything wrong.
"I'm sorry if i offended someone, but not sorry for what i said, i'm not going to back down from what i believe in" was basically what she said.
And that's 100% correct.
Yeah I agree
She RTed a guy complaining her original tweet was anti-semitic. That's not a "factual statement about lobbying".
Agreed.
Factually incorrect. The Trump"s administration sactions of august 24th, 2017 had a huge effect in terms of oil production in Venezuela and it blocked the venezuelan government"s access to the earnings made by CITGO, a state business localized in Texas. You cant make Oil production drop 50% and then go "well i guess that its their fall for falling apart"Sadly, she said that the sanctions the OBAMA and Trump administration imposed on the regime harms the Venezuelans. Wrong, they target Maduro and his cronies. It is disappointing that someone that is completely right about Israel is completely wrong about Venezuela and supporting that scumbag called Maduro.
I've said the first tweet was iffy and probably wouldn't have drawn a response. It doesn't matter that she deleted the RT. She did it.are you purposely ignoring her tweet before and after and that she deleted the RT?
That tweet is in response to the first one, not the "AIPAC!" one. And she RTed it, which made it look like she was mocking him.Yeah, that sure is a well meaning dude. Omar sure is calling you a lesser human being for criticizing AIPAC and the israeli lobby.
A lot of hot takes out there.
one must stand in complete awe at people's abilities to control these narratives
Israel leaders are absolute geniuses at what they do, its impressive to watch
I really, really doubt this. Anti-lobbyist in general, and anti-AIPAC in particular will remain core issues, as well as opposing the occupation. You just can't be that flip when discussing it, both because it's genuinely not right to when you're talking about something that serious, involving the ethnic identities of historically oppressed people on both sides, and more cynically, because you can't give the AIPAC crowd and ammo to deligitimize you, because if they can, they will. It's not hard to talk about how the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land is evil, and AIPAC is a malign force in American politics without using anti-Semitic tropes and delegitimizing the views of those who are more pro-Israel than you are, it's just hard to do in the form of Twitter burns. You have to step back and respect the work people have been doing for decades to build a pro-Palestinian movement free from anti-Semitism, and not damage the reputation of that whole effort for the sake of a Tweet.
Absolutely the hell not.
This is the time where Omar needs to be called out for being a dummy on Twitter for the umpteenth time, because damnit it's only February and here we are again. That's my stance.
I want to rally behind Omar in the same way I want to rally around everyone who, at the end of the day, represent the goals that I also strive for. But being kinfolk doesn't grant you a permanent pass for constantly doing questionable things. Rather, it is because we're kinfolk that I'll expect you to do better. Because Omar isn't actually helping the effort here. She's destracting from the effort by forcing everyone to have a conversation about whether or not her repeatedly sloppy Twitter usage means she's an anti-Semite.
Are you intentionally ignoring what her actual tweet said and was in response to? Do you understand why it's a problematic way to go about discussing this or not care because your focus is on the problem itself? I suspect majority of people are doing the latter.She didnt use any antisemetic tropes and didnt say she did. She said she was grateful for people educating her on antisemitism, not that she said anything wrong.
"I'm sorry if i offended someone, but not sorry for what i said, i'm not going to back down from what i believe in" was basically what she said.
And that's 100% correct.
Are you intentionally ignoring what her actual tweet said and was in response to? Do you understand why it's a problematic way to go about discussing this or not care because your focus is on the problem itself? I suspect majority of people are doing the latter.
This is where they interesect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_antisemitism
And the RT was the biggest issue. It was explicitly about anti-semitism.
Because if we have to avoid any and all historic anti-Semitic tropes that means you can't discuss the role of money, the media, Jewish identity, Zionism, or Palestinian suffering under occupation. All that's left to explain American support for right-wing Israeli policies ends up being "shared values" and fuck if they share my values...
I agree. If what she's said about AIPAC qualifies as anti-semitism, then it seems Israel's govt is more or less immune from criticism in US politics.
Are you reading the actual article? The issue is "It's all about the Benjamins" is iffy because of the overlap with the stuff laid out below, and then she went and RTed a guy explicitly stating it was anti-semitic, making it look like she was making fun of him.Unless she was saying that nobody except Israeli groups or Jewish groups pay off politicians in Washington, I don't think the economic antisemitism argument holds much water. It's not like money in politics is a new or rare concept. It was a foolish thing for someone in office to fire off on Twitter, but then again, it's Twitter. In 2019. With Donald Trump using it every day.
My frame of reference here is another common epithet that "Jews control the media", which IS antisemitic because it's alleging that that Jewish people alone have compromised an influential system to their total benefit. That's obviously wrong and inspires hate. What Omar and other Democrats have been saying is that the political system is compromised by many different entities. Making this an antisemitism issue is just serving to muddy the waters.
As for the retweet, undoing the retweet suggests it was a mistake, and the tweet itself agreed with her position until it didn't. It's hard to tell what the intention was, but it's not like she was retweeting some (((globalism))) moron. More foolish mistakes on Twitter by someone who should know better, but sure, I can concede that there's not enough information to give it the full benefit of the doubt.
Foxman describes six facets of canards used by proponents of economic antisemitism:
All Jews are wealthy.
Jews are stingy and greedy.
Powerful Jews control the business world.
Judaism emphasizes profit and materialism.
Jews may cheat non-Jews.
Jews use their power to benefit "their own kind.
Most of the fault of the current situation in Venezuela is because of Chávez terrible policies and Maduro's stupidity. Also, both of them and the Chavistas are extremely corrupt.Factually incorrect. The Trump"s administration sactions of august 24th, 2017 had a huge effect in terms of oil production in Venezuela and it blocked the venezuelan government"s access to the earnings made by CITGO, a state business localized in Texas. You cant make Oil production drop 50% and then go "well i guess that its their fall for falling apart"
Maduro is a dictator and he sucks, btw. But I know too much about South America to let the US get away with sanctioning a leftist government again and then acting like any crisis is the country"s fault.
Good response. Wish dem leadership waited and put out a more coordinated response to go along with this that wasn't so antagonistic toward rep Omar.
You know, it's actually not up to me to dictate whether or not what she did was anti-Semitic. I'm not Jewish. But some (not all) Jewish people have weighed in and some determined that it was. And really, my only argument in this thread is that really should be the end of the discussion regarding Omar's tweeting habits. I suppose what it boils down to is if those people who were offended matter, and if it was worth it to apologize for their sake. Omar clearly made the determination that it was, and personally I'm grateful for that. Because you actually can take on the bipartisan effort to coddle the Israeli government and not be sloppy on Twitter.the only distracting is being done by folks forcing her to apologize for not being anti-semitic when she is not. this wouldn't be an issue if it were a Rep. Cathy. Dems played right into Alt-Right hands by saying, yeah she said anti-semitic things when in fact she didnt
This whole story is a fucking joke. Reminds me of kneeling during the anthem being equated to not respecting the armed forces.
I'm actually near the same level of anger I was when Netanyahu's bitch ass came to Congress when Obama wasn't there and received a standing ovation while rebuking the President in his own goddamn country.
Fucking disgraceful and utterly pathetic. Wish I can say I was surprised by the Pelosi's response though.
its almost like most politicians are vanilla and boring for a reasonWhether you like it or not, perception matters. These new politicians are finding that out fast.
Good response. Wish dem leadership waited and put out a more coordinated response to go along with this that wasn't so antagonistic toward rep Omar.
Correct. So many indulge these bad faith attacks again and again and wonder why people get disillusioned with them.
kaep should have been more careful with how he uses his limbs, he was sloppy
the reason people were hostile to his message was clearly because of his own failing, and not because an army of bad faith actors were chomping at the bit to pounce on a minority in the spotlight
i look forward to his apology
You know, it's actually not up to me to dictate whether or not what she did was anti-Semitic. I'm not Jewish. But some (not all) Jewish people have weighed in and some determined that it was. And really, my only argument in this thread is that really should be the end of the discussion regarding Omar's tweeting habits. I suppose what it boils down to is if those people who were offended matter, and if it was worth it to apologize for their sake. Omar clearly made the determination that it was, and personally I'm grateful for that. Because you actually can take on the bipartisan effort to coddle the Israeli government and not be sloppy on Twitter.
We have come to a point that a politician can't even state the fact that aipac lobbies with funds congress members like all other lobbying group.
That tweet is in response to the first one, not the "AIPAC!" one. And she RTed it, which made it look like she was mocking him.
kaep should have been more careful with how he uses his limbs, he was sloppy
the reason people were hostile to his message was clearly because of his own failing, and not because an army of bad faith actors were chomping at the bit to pounce on a minority in the spotlight
i look forward to his apology
I have not said this was in relation to the bad faith AIPAC/GOP stuff happening on a daily basis. I said it drew concern from people on the left who don't play that game.Pretty sure you're the only one who thinks the daily pious outrage has anything to do with the retweet.
Here is the tweet in question:
Not a peep. As usual.All I can think of now is the recent Palestinian Peace March that ended in violence and met with silence by Pelosi.
I have not said this was in relation to the bad faith AIPAC/GOP stuff happening on a daily basis. I said it drew concern from people on the left who don't play that game.
Cut the trolling.
I have not said this was in relation to the bad faith AIPAC/GOP stuff happening on a daily basis. I said it drew concern from people on the left who don't play that game.
Cut the trolling.
So if a Jewish right wing guy tells me criticism of Israel is antisemitism should I stay silent because of his faith or call him out on it and say no one is saying anything about faith or ethnicity?