These are the words I think evoke anti-Semitic tropes:
What am I twisting?
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Congresswoman Omar ignites new anti-Semitism controversy with comments on AIPAC
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These are the words I think evoke anti-Semitic tropes:
What am I twisting?
Rep. Omar was not talking about Jewish people. She was talking about a right wing lobbying group and the government policies
Well said. The left is ready to burn her over this because they are as much supporters of Israel's monstrous policies as the Right.
How convenient that you cant call out a lobbyist group for having monetary influence (literally what they do in order to get votes) just because this one so happens to be Israeli
Twats have done a great job of diverting public opinion into thinking critique towards them is antisemitism.
How do they evoke anti-Semitic tropes? see this is were. The conflation comes in, even though you know exactly. What is being said and yet you want to make it seem like, posters are evoking something against Jewish folk. When it's about AIPAC, which is a Israeli government lobby that endorses Bibi right wing politics. Which has made an effort to stop criticism against and even out right ban criticism against that type of politics and actions that promote those actions.
Waiting for the bipartisan outcry on this:
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and the first recommended article below your article is about the tweet. :/
Also that image is so disorienting since it's from an entirely separate event. Both horrific obviously, just confusing.
I don't take much issue with Rep. Omar. I think she made an innocent mistake.
Or as I wrote earlier in this thread:
I've done nothing in this thread other that acknowledging and recognizing that AIPAC's influence is a massive part of why unconditional support towards Israel is so pervasive among the people of power in the US government (I just find it strange how it seems like you're trying to undersell AIPAC's influence like it's not such a big deal, to be honest)
If you find that by stating such a thing means that I am evoking anti-Semitic tropes, then well, c'est la vie, that's on you. If you truly feel that I am anti-semitic in my rhetoric, feel free to report me to the moderation team. If they agree with you, then there's nothing I can do about it.
And yes, the difference is actually big enough, enough that we even have examples of people from Jewish community in this very thread stating that such a distinction is very important to be made, lest the tiresome rhetoric of 'criticizing Israel = anti-semites' rears its ugly head all over the place again and again.
Muslim black woman critizes a Pro Israeli right wing lobbying group for funding republicans . She is called an anti Semite . Democrats condemn her and defend Republican house leader McCarthy's right of opinion on Omar
BDS is not ran by countries, it has some support in Muslim countries, but I'm really not sure I understand why that should be disqualifying.
Also, this is not the first time I see people saying the BDS is continuation of the Arab League boycott, but I never seen any compelling evidence for that. I mean, the Arab Boycott was a collection of Arab League council decisions and government actions,
BDS started mostly in the US and Europe by Palestinians.
But like, why would that matter?
Like, let's say that BDS is indeed a secret astroturf operation that is started by..... who? Syria? Iraq? KSA? maaaan, there aren't really good candidates for that in the Arab League. But whatever, let's say that they did and they covered their way so good that there isn't definitive evidence for that, how would you imagine things play out?
Like, BDS will achieve its fake stated goals and the Palestinians gets equal rights, and then they say "hahahaha, tricked you liberals, we really want to kill all the jews, and you must continue to boycott Israel now because you promised!"
I mean, how would that work?
What the actual fear here?
p.s.
I always hear people "I'm for totally for sanctions against Israel, just not with BDS", but I never hear which other boycott campaign they will participate.
So come on, pick one, it's not hard, I mean, it's just a fucking list of products made in Israel, you can google it yourself and start right now boycott movement, one that is 100% clear of the influence of the Arab league.
Yeah it is a bit confusing so I included the image source.
That made it more confusing in retrospect.
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I confess to having had Kosher knish once, I'm a traitor to the cause.
Jewishness is not incidental to Israel. Jewishness is not incidental to AIPAC. The fact that American Jews make up the core of AIPAC's leadership and membership is not at all incidental.
When you simplify where support for Israel comes from to a nonsensical degree, and attribute it to the singularly powerful puppet master that is AIPAC, you're evoking an anti-Semitic trope. Period.
And I'm not making an effort to stop criticism, so please don't engage in unnecessary conflation.
I'm not going to report you.
My inability to get through to you on this point just frustrates me.
The sentiment is mutual--although perhaps I should specify that it's not so much of a frustration but rather than acknowledgment that continuing to engage with you is a fruitless endeavor, so perhaps it would be better if we're just disengage from one another going forward in this particular topic.
Lmao, clipjoint gets banned but several bad actors here get off scot-free.
Good summary.
Good summary.
dog was racism all along, romain gary tried to warn us
why didn't you stop it you only had to listen
I've read your arguments with Laughing Banana
Probably one of the reasons why I'm very frustrated with this argument about Omar. There seems to be more concern on the language people use than the topic itself. His post touched on an antisemitic trope, but we know that it was unintended.
It fucking stuns me to see basically all of Congress fail to stand behind Ilhan. We are likely to never see any significant criticism of Israel within our government for many decades to come. More war crimes to completely ignore.
Only if people on the left fall for this shit.
No one on the right would have treated a black Muslim woman as a legitimate critic of Israel anyway.
Like, who fucking care, you don't honestly think that she's secretly an antisemite, right?
I didn't realize this pun, wtf.
Omar is definitely anti-semitic now.
In the 90s? Probably.
Think things will be much different now with more outspoken young politicians.
No I'm literally describing the behavior of Congress. Personally I would retweet that tomorrow but without the name pun? AIPAC deserves huge scrutiny as does its spending and power over both parties and houses.
They are using her pun to avoid answering her question and if it had been a Mohammad or Arab name pun about Saudi Arabia it would have created a similar scale of stir.
I believe that our officials are grabbing that as a straw to shunt their responsibility to the side in favor of outrage. I have no idea if that was her intention. It's only obvious in retrospect with the reactions. First time I saw the headline it didn't twig. Five craven congressmen ignoring the underlying issue later and here we are.
I don't understand what this post means. Am I an antisemite?
Wait, like Benjamin Netanyahu?
I guess I still don't understand this post. Tweet still reads to me as criticizing the Israeli lobby, and I'm not really sure how you do that without talking about money. If you can't talk about isreal and money in the same sentence without being called an antisemite, well, that seems a bit much. And how does that tweet hamstring anything for a decade?
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That doesn't make any sense. Who created that lyric?
There is no trope. You bunch of dupes.
Broad shot, coming thru.
How hard is it to get your shit correct on what is happening here? You claim to be liberal and allies and this is what you do? Fuck outta here with that.
This is why NOBODY TRUSTS YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING EVER. Cos you won't. You are not allies. You aren't even liberal. You're just all delusional.
You know that Netanyahu is the prime minister of Israel not of The Jews, right?
I'm also assuming this is what the hell you are on about
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That Clipjoint ban is bullshit. Mods need to stop acting like cunts who throw out bans when conversations are not to their liking because they can't handle the conversation taking place. Shut the fuck up and let the conversation flow rather than trying to stifle it. He ain't done anything in the discussion worthy of a ban. And citing some bullshit reason as "misrepresenting information" along with some vague allusions to past incidents, which if this ban was anything to go by, may be similarly bullshit, ain't justifying it. It basically reeks of "I'm tired of this fucker and this discussion, let's just ban him to stop him coming at it".
No. Read my previous post. I don't think she's antisemitic I think our congress is craven and pathetic.
Honest question, what pun? Benjamin as in Benjamin Netanyahu....?
I think you already made up your mind before reading my post. I actually think you should edit because it's so far off. Read what I responded with.
it's "misrepresenting information" to compare racism to racism, and to call a PAC that lobbies for people to turn a blind eye to war crimes "warmongering"
Well the part after the broad shot was not for you, but for everyone.
ok then. then what is the "benjamin pun", why is it bad, and how is she stifling criticism of aipac with her behaviour?
Hold up, let me sure I've got you straight. So, because some countries in the Arab League are bad, which is a problematic jumping off point, supporting a boycott movement that some people in some of the Arab League countries also support must be avoided because of the "impression" that this boycott movement is a "spiritual successor" to resistance movements against the two-state solution from last century. Even though, the two state solution has been a political and humanitarian disaster ever since it happened and has obviously failed.
Lose me with every single world of this.
By the way, it's pretty simple to do BDS - avoid barcodes starting with 729, Caterpillar, Sodastream, Hewlett-Packard, and Sabra Hummus. The end.
Yes. We are. And probably Omar was. And the Benjamin she was referring to was a white Christian man. But congress is using it as if it were an intentional slur about Jewish names instead of answering questions about the outsize influence of AIPAC under Netanyahu's disgraceful race baiting invasion and illegal occupation and theft of land - and that's going to be their lean back position for the rest of the cycle.
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