Sorry, could you clarify again as to why you put up that 2012 tweet as an example of her using offensive Jewish stereotype?
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Congresswoman Omar ignites new anti-Semitism controversy with comments on AIPAC
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Sorry, could you clarify again as to why you put up that 2012 tweet as an example of her using offensive Jewish stereotype?
"I agree with you all about AIPAC which is why I'm going to ignore AIPAC. Instead I'm going to spend a few pages obfuscating the topic by disingenuously contorting the fact that Ilhan Omar pointed directly to AIPAC into the claim that she might have been talking about the Jewish (((globalist))) cabal. That's how you know I'm on your side everybody!"
EDIT: I'm not saying that no Jewish person saw that tweet and immediately felt that visceral reaction like a gut punch because their mind immediately went to the old anti-Semitic conspiracies that have been peddled for generations. I know what that feels like, I've felt that same reaction many times myself. I'm saying that having seen Omar specifically point to AIPAC, having double and triple checked what she said and seen that at no point did she say anything about Jews or Jewish money, if people still want to talk about her saying something anti-semitic then they are being dishonest or extremely ignorant.
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Wow, that sure is a take. This must be what it feels like to be a member of the UK Labour party.
You might have missed my quote, but sorry, could you clarify again as to why you put up that 2012 tweet as an example of her using offensive Jewish stereotypes?
In this case it's "hypnotized the world": a stereotype that was made famous in the popular 19th century novel Trilby by George du Maurier. The protagonist is a sleazy Jew who literally hypnotizes his victim. The word Svengali originates from this novel and basically means a (Jewish) person who, with evil intent, manipulates and exerts control over another.
I see. Consider me educated. I honestly don't know that "hypnotizing" is a negative stereotype for Jewish people.
Why is Israeli interference in American goverment affairs so okay for liberals and American senators unlike Russian Interference? Genuinely curious. I have seen many of the posters here who passionately argue against Russian interference and are nonchalant about AIPAC and Israeli interference.
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/chomsky-criticizes-israeli-interference-in-u-s-elections-1.6407407
It's honestly so hard to criticize Israel - there's like a minefield of words that should not be used because it's antisemitic and one day I am going to get called anti-Semitic for unknowingly using one of these words.
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/chomsky-criticizes-israeli-interference-in-u-s-elections-1.6407407
It's honestly so hard to criticize Israel - there's like a minefield of words that should not be used because it's antisemitic and one day I am going to get called anti-Semitic for unknowingly using one of these words.
It is. On one side I'm mad at the Israeli government for labelling criticism antisemitic, but on the other it really does shows that once upon a time the Jewish people was blamed for everything and used as the boogeyman.
Saying that a very powerful and influential lobby throws huge amounts of money and propaganda is forbidden now, despite... Lobbies doing exactly that? Like, that's AIPAC's job ?
So you would be totally fine with that same thing being off-limits when discussing the Russian or Ukrainian government then? "We were targeted for extermination by the nazis, and invoking that word is nothing but disgusting racism!"
Do Kim Jong Un and Xi Jinping get to hide behind Japanese atrocities to shield themselves from any criticism of ethnic cleansing or mass murder?
Which part of this post was "Misrepresenting information" exactly?
"Problematic tweets," "dogwhistles," and "offensive tropes." When did colonialism get so woke?
Could be "misrepresenting information"... or it could be the fact that he had a lengthy exchange in this thread with a mod who disagreed with him.
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Great post. As a black muslim raised somali I couldn't agree more. I would also like to know where the misrepresenting information is so I can be educated?
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Would be cool if ban tags listed the mod who pulled the trigger, but fuck accountability right? If you can't win an argument with someone, just anonymously eject them from the conversation and smear their name.
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One would think we would, especially when you consider how much heat the mod team drew at the old place for abusing its power.
AIPAC is directly lobbying to pass bills that will help Israel further cement their foothold in the occupied territories. They're aiding in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. They are racist. They are Islamophobic. There's no two ways about it.
as someone who has previously been on the receiving end of arbitrary and capricious moderation in Israel threads, clipjoint absolutely should not have been banned for that post
Could we criticize mega churches and evangelist being the biggest influence for why politician support them in the first place?
Or is that anti semitic as well?
I don't believe the "hypnotized the world" tweet was intentionally antisemitic, but implicitly attributing some sort of secret, mystical power of manipulation is at least in Protocols-adjacent territory IMO.
as a non-Zionist Jew, I very strongly disagree with a lot of what gets labeled antisemitic in these discussions, but Omar was right to apologize in that particular case and I thought her apology was good
I agree. So fucking ridiculous clipjoint gets banned.
#unbanclipjoint
We should criticize any and all religious organizations that beat a war drum or promote division between religions or ethnic groups.
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This is the only issue that both parties agree on and will never criticize Israel or any lobby which pushes for pro-Israel causes. Every presidential debate there is a question which basically asks "Which of you loves Israel the most and how would you profess your love?" Palestinians aren't even a part of the equation. Their pain, suffering, aspirations, and solutions are not even discussed. Not until at least you bend over backward to show how much you love Israel. and god forbid if you say anything that can be construed as anti-Semitic. It won't get past that and Palestinians won't ever be brought up.
Yeah and the fact that the media doesn't really give a shit either is just as depressing. I hope things are different in the next decade or so as attitudes are changing and people are actually paying attention to the effects of money in politics.
I hope that's a joke cause that is most definitely still a thing.
Also this thread is getting ridiculous. I never thought her tweet was bad, but I agreed with the general sentiment that she needs to be better about her twitter usage. If she's going to be critical about a powerful lobby, she needs to be careful. this isn't some tough concept to understand.
And that doesn't mean that any criticism against Israel or AIPAC will be seen as antisemitic or that she can't speak out again. She literally criticized them in her apology - completely proving half the posters in this thread wrong about her verbiage. She's a fucking politician. She needs to be intentional and precise. This forum is so happy to shit on Israel they don't realize how fucking dumb they come off on certain things. George Bush got shit for saying he hates broccoli. Clinton even used it in his campaign against him.
She should not have apologized. Absolutely zero anti-semitic content in what she said.
Everyday the shred of hope for justice for Palestinians gets smaller and smaller.
Everyday the shred of hope for justice for Palestinians gets smaller and smaller.
Any criticism of Israel is seen as anti-semitic by AIPAC or Israel. It just is. Whether it's justified or not.
I'm not sure what George Bush has to do with this topic but broccoli is delicious.
The point was a comment about personal taste in broccoli that should've been innocuous (certainly not as contentious as Israel/Palestine) ended up being a controversy.
And I agree. Broccoli is delicious.
NY op ed
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/11/opinion/ilhan-omar-antisemitism.html
Specifically this part
The author seems to admit that AIPAC pushes members to fund politicians on causes and then says that because of the fact that activists have successfully opened discussion on America's relationship with Israel they have to avoid being anti-Jew which is what antisemitism is
The author doesn't point on that the relationship with Israel debate has opened up because of israel's Apartheid actions against Palestinians which has resulted in BDS. If critics go against the faith of ethnicity of the people of Israel everyone will denounce it but to glue the criticism of Israel to antisemitism is just giving critics proof that many like to equate debates against Israeli foreign policy with antisemitism.
Notice that Rep. Omar was only talking about republicans, she wasn't talking about her own party . Leader McCarthy pushes islamophobic attacks against Rep. Omar, she responds by saying he is funded by the islamophobic aipac right wing lobby group and she is then called a bigot . That is why there is a huge debate . leader McCarthy got off Scott free in October when he said all these Jewish donors control elections and now here with islamophobia and instead leaders of Rep. omar's Own party have thrown her under the bus while defending the very leader who has been both islamophobic and antisemitic
Common sense folks and younger generation will clearly see this and will only further question why America allows Israeli government to be so aggressive against Palestinians. This event will not help . It only aggravated
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/11/opinion/ilhan-omar-antisemitism.html
Specifically this part
The author seems to admit that AIPAC pushes members to fund politicians on causes and then says that because of the fact that activists have successfully opened discussion on America's relationship with Israel they have to avoid being anti-Jew which is what antisemitism is
The author doesn't point on that the relationship with Israel debate has opened up because of israel's Apartheid actions against Palestinians which has resulted in BDS. If critics go against the faith of ethnicity of the people of Israel everyone will denounce it but to glue the criticism of Israel to antisemitism is just giving critics proof that many like to equate debates against Israeli foreign policy with antisemitism.
Notice that Rep. Omar was only talking about republicans, she wasn't talking about her own party . Leader McCarthy pushes islamophobic attacks against Rep. Omar, she responds by saying he is funded by the islamophobic aipac right wing lobby group and she is then called a bigot . That is why there is a huge debate . leader McCarthy got off Scott free in October when he said all these Jewish donors control elections and now here with islamophobia and instead leaders of Rep. omar's Own party have thrown her under the bus while defending the very leader who has been both islamophobic and antisemitic
Common sense folks and younger generation will clearly see this and will only further question why America allows Israeli government to be so aggressive against Palestinians. This event will not help . It only aggravated
Yup. Be careful not to insult Chelsea Clinton on twitter unless you want the banhammer.
he got into a thread with Chelsea Clinton about anti-Semtic language etc etc and *poof* his twitter account is now gone!
You know it won't. Since I have been politically aware/awake (freshman yr in college 2001) I haven't seen the debate shift an inch.
Israel is basically having a race to snuff out the Palestinians completely before enough people in the US get bothered to spur a change in policy.
lol it's beyond messed up. Israel and their agents can honestly get away with anything. American politicians (Western in general) are a fucking joke.
It's not a joke but poorly written.
I dont mean that it's still not a thing, but things were way worse in the past.
Barring creating an actual left-of-center political party in the United States and having it gain traction, you do have one option and it is the following...
1) Vote out every Republican everywhere
2) Primary out Democrats in pure blue districts who treat Palestinians as irrelevant / take money from AIPAC / profess undying love for Israel's oppressive regime
And, best of all, the AOCs and others you're replacing the old white male guard with are probably going to be more progressive on other issues, too.
Also, protest the fuck out of your mainstream media apparatus. Because it continues to fail you in irreparably harmful ways.
Actually, the plan is to get Israel to stop doing a genocide and apartheid. It's alright if you don't like or agree with it, it's still doing more than what your people are doing.. which is capitulating to the lobby and to Israel.
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