lol. Chelsea and twitter are such trash.
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Congresswoman Omar ignites new anti-Semitism controversy with comments on AIPAC
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lol. Chelsea and twitter are such trash.
Oh sure. Coming from a family that fled pogroms, I'd say things are looking up. But given the rise in Nazi imagery and anti-Semitic attacks, we've still got a ways to go.
And don't get me started on casual anti-semitism. Had a manager tell me not to "let them Jew me down" just last week.
I live in a pure blue district and the simple fact is, most of the time, people critical of AIPAC/Israel do not run in this country. At least in my experience. I do what I can and talk to my progressive friends about it but I just feel like it's an echo chamber. When I bring it up to more conservative folks they simply do not care about lobbying or Palestine. Or even acknowledge that Palestine is even a country.
If, like Pelosi said in her statement, we must denounce all forms of hatred, racism, and discrimination, then we must denounce a genocidal, apartheid state and anyone who supports is.
That's some grade A level gaslighting. "AIPAC uses its members to funnel money to further its right-wing, really bad ME policy. But don't point that out because that's also antisemitism."
What?!
I don't get it. Why is anyone looking for Chelsea Clinton's takes in the first place?
Always make your own hummus, it's way better.
I'm disturbed and fucking infuriated by the ABC news on this. The way they talked down about Omar is fucking weird. There must be some grand conspiracy with this since I haven't seen a good reason for what's going on. She's absolutely right and anyone for Israel's actions needs to fucking get lost. Now I'm remember why I can't stand "Chuck & Nancy". There two rotten old fucks who seem to be on the same page as the worst republicans when it comes to that and the media on the "left" seem to back them completely.
Not familiar with who he is but a google search on his name pulls up his last tweet and a bit of one of the replies to it.
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Not familiar with who he is but a google search on his name pulls up his last tweet and a bit of one of the replies to it.
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What a fucking dumb thing to say.
Not familiar with who he is but a google search on his name pulls up his last tweet and a bit of one of the replies to it.
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oh Cum Town
anyway one time someone here PMed me to ask if I was Adam Friedland. I am not, for the record
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No grand conspiracy, just three words: Black. Muslim. Woman.
yeah I know, apologies if it came off badly. Honestly didn't mean to handwave present anti-semitic attacks.
It's not anti-semitic at all, fuck their claims.
Facts. From here in the U.K to the States, the same shit happens. Have to mention this isn't specific to anyone here, it's just I've been feeling this way for years and it doesn't stop.
''Allies'', my faith in this concept falters daily. Man I'm hating 2019 already.
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AIPAC is not an ethnic group.
For real man, what is this shit?
I mean, you want to talk offensive language, as a Jew I'm fucking annoyed that I'm being conflated with an organization like AIPAC.
Well, it's hard to respond to what many unnamed Jewish people think, but do you think that?
Because if you do, you really need to educate yourself, again, AIPAC lobbied against Oslo and against Rabin, a sitting prime minister, it's got so bad that the he tried to start a competing Israeli group because he considered them straight up an organ of the Likud. But like, he was just a prime minister that was murdered, what he thought about AIPAC shouldn't really count as what the Jewish Silent Majority or whatever thinks.
And FYI, it only got worse since the 90s.
So first of all, can you please explain to me where the antisemitic language is it?
I'm Jewish and I really really don't see it.
You think that you can't be saying "it's all about the Benajamins" when talking about an issue that might relate to some Jewish people?
Because that's fucking insane to me, and honestly, does not sounds like a good faith critique.
And for fuck's sake, of course intent matter, that's the difference between being insensitive or a jerk than being a racist.
We should strive to be neither and apologize for the former of course, but treating careless phrasing like it's actual racism does very little but downplay how serious racism is.
Though again, I don't even really see careless phrasing here, maybe you can elaborate.
All I see is Republicans trying to use "SJW Judo" against people on left, like, "oh, they don't like racists, what if we say that they're the were the real racists all alone".
They do that all the fucking time, I mean, remember how many times Obama was accused of being the real racist all along?
Remember how they all called him antisemite after he said some things that they didn't like about AIPAC?
Usually, most of the Dems don't fall for that, though they did in this case.
I wonder if there's something special about Ilhan Omar that made them way more likely to jump on her.
Nah, must be some weird coincidence.
That'll never happen. This incident is indicative of that.
People have been urging many to put Israel's actions to account for years, decades even.
More Palestinians will be killed in the coming months and years, and the Israeli government and their supporters will continue without a bother.
Fuck Israel.
I feel you, fam. It is going to be hard and while we fight, Palestinian lives will be lost.
Here's a shitty tweet from Howard Dean:
Using black face as an example, good grief...
This is their queen?
I don't get your response here, judging by your reply's in this thread do you even agree with either of these statements? Let alone whether or not their contradictory. There's nothing stopping someone from picking one or the other.
As a Jew, I'm super super comfortable seeing a bunch of white dudes explaining to a black Muslim woman what racism is.
At least he's getting ratioed.
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why are people so fucking dumb about blackface? that SNL skit may as well have been a documentary
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Agreed. I don't know how this ban stands when it has been conceded that Clipjoint's ban was, indeed, bullshit.
User banned (3 days): modwhining and ignoring staff post
Thirded. Clipjoints van was unjustified and The Guys post rightfully called it out. He should be unbanned as well.
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They should. Sure, maybe it was harshly worded, but come on now.
You can't tell me there is no validity in that post, especially since Clipjoint has been unbanned.
If calling out lobbying is automatically consider antisemitic (because it involves money?), then... I just... whatever.
Some otherwise liberal white people are genuinely offended by the term white privilege. But I don't give a fuck and that doesn't make calling out the fact that white privilege exists racist.
Likewise, it is a fucking fact that AIPAC uses money to push a pro Israel agenda in Washington. If someone is offended by a tweet calling attention to the fact that lobbies use money to influence policy, then too bad. Doesn't make the tweet or the fact it was highlighting racist. Race is only even tangentially related to the topic because of the fact that Israel is an ethno- nationalist, neo fascist state engaging in ethnic cleansing and practicing racial apartheid.
But let's ignore all of that, except to briefly acknowledge it and say how unfortunate it is, before spending pages admonishing and tone policing people for calling a spade a spade.
Hey now, he's just trying to join in on the chorus. Man like him can't be left out from the dogpiling of a black Muslim woman's crime of telling the truth.
No, he was not calling it a hoax. Russia has a lot of active propaganda campaigns going on regarding Ukraine in order to "justify" the Crimean invasion. He's asking a question, not making a statement, because bad-faith shit being played up by the right wing isn't unique to anyone and has to be muddled through everywhere.
And a reminded, this whole thing started because Kevin McCarthy wanted to punish her an Talib for not supporting Israel enough, and remember, he called both of them antisemitic before Omar responded to him.
But no, we must take this bad faith argument super seriously, I mean, "it's all about the Benajamins" is apparently like the n-word for Jews now or something?
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I wonder why he singled out Omar and Talib.
I guess that's a mystery that would never be solved.
But what we do know is that the Muslim women of color were the real racists all alone.
What a twist!
A good reminder that just because you have a common enemy doesn't mean the current power structure is your friend. That includes the intelligence community, that includes the major media corporations, that includes the Democratic Party.
If your goal is to fight entrenched power structures, you can't look for allies that are part of that structure.
This is when the GOP side started yes. It's been going on a while now, it's super gross, and nothing either has done recently has drawn any flack from the Dem side until now. If they were taking him seriously, why wouldn't they have bit on the previous billion opportunities he threw out? The idea that Dems took him seriously is completely ridiculous.
Aye, some truth here.
Sad that some people are more concerned about towing the party line then dead Palestinians 😞
Ukraine has probably the most problematic history of antisemitism of any country in post WWII (and like, if it wasn't for Germany they would be a strong contender for that coveted #1 of all time spot).
This does not mean that anything anyone say about Ukraine is true, and obviously, not everyone there is an antisemite (I got family there still!) but there is less reason to doubt such stories than to doubt a story about anti-black racism in the US.
And like, how would you react to people who respond to news about police shooting a black kid with "are we sure this isn't propaganda?"
I mean, if we're talking about Good Looks, that's a bit of a bad one.
But again, this was not about Jews and it never was, this is about not talking about what Israel and AIPAC are doing.
They don't take him seriously, it's just that a lot of dems have this instinct to align with Israel immediately and to think why later.
Sadly, this time, they really helped Kevin McCarthy to show that it was reverse racism by black women that was the real problem all along!
Did you know that Omar and Talib are more racist than Steve King?
It's true!
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You know, "shared values and strategic interests" and all that. Gotta keep The Only Democracy in the Middle-East™ alive and well!
She likely didn't intend it to be. But she sideswiped them. Hence the apology that included a slam at AIPAC.
And that's the problem. There are many like yourself, claiming it just didn't matter. That people were lying when they said they were upset by it. That this is really about AIPAC/Israel, and not about intra-Dem politics and the need to make sure your members aren't constantly saying dumb shit in a broad coalition with a large number of minority groups that need to be able to get along and work together.
I know I criticized Omar's comments earlier in this thread, but the continuing condemnation from both D and R, after she clarified her meaning and apologized for her miscommunication, is ridiculous and embarrassing. This barrage of polemic against her character for inelegant criticism of one of the most influential lobbies in Congress is not only completely out of proportion to the severity of her misstep, but seems like a stark example of exactly what she said and is saying. The longer and harder these politicians harp on this issue, the less I believe they actually genuinely give a shit about a conversation of problematic language and stereotypes, and the more I believe they're cravenly trying to kill the conversation about AIPAC lobbying entirely.
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