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Connecticut woman says then-Vice President Joe Biden touched her inappropriately at a Greenwich fundraiser in 2009
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Very true... which is why we need a candidate that has as little baggage as possible while simultaneously enough knowledge and savvy to affirm people on policy but also to deflect their own skeletons when they are dug up. Biden has done a shit job here dealing with this and that tells me he will be eaten alive by his baggage come election season.
Today I learned that being grabbed by the neck and being forced to touch noses against my will is an appropriate form of touching.
Thanks, ResetERA!
Guys who go around telling women on the street to smile probably think they're being kind, friendly and comforting too. I don't want them running the country. I would hope this string of allegations makes him reconsider running. We have plenty of good candidates already and we don't need to take up time on the debate stage watching Joe try to explain away his pattern of creepy behavior.
I mean does it matter? No matter who it is there is going to be something.
It hurts Biden more that he's basically flailing all over the place on these issues. He has no concerted message or view. he can come off as super defensive and dismissive one second and trying to accuse other people of misleading information the next.
I think its fairly open and shut, but it seems like he had no plan for this even though he should have known it was coming after all the other times he's ran for President
I think its fairly open and shut, but it seems like he had no plan for this even though he should have known it was coming after all the other times he's ran for President
Some skeletons are too big of a deal to appropriately deal with. There is literally nothing you can say or do to downplay sexual harassment and assault, especially when it involves multiple victims, many of which happened out in the open. This is a culture, not some one or two off incident.
Next.
Where do you draw the line between senior citizen and creepy Joe? I feel like he definitely has too many instances of repeated weird behavior, too much so to give him a pass, but I could also definitely see someone's grandpa doing stuff like this without even thinking twice about how they were coming off.
Hopefully that same grandpa, upon someone telling them not to do something, would be able to learn from it. If not, hopefully that same grandpa wouldn't be put in a position of power over woman and children.
Yeah I went back and edited my post for clarity. It was inappropriate.
Classic maneuver of pretending his antics are a partisan smear job rather than a reflection on his character.
Bill Clinton being a rapist smoothed over Trump's open sexual assaults. The bar has been lowered.
The problem is that so much of the reaction to these stories revolves around their anticipated impact. We have internalized the heuristic that someone becomes unviable after being called out - the act of someone speaking up to talk about their experience with inappropriate behavior, in and of itself, has an immediate power over us.
It becomes something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. One that media organizations need to be conscious of, because it colors their coverage in the sense that MeToo stories just end up becoming an extension of horse race journalism. In that sense, while Trump isn't immune to everything, he does benefit from the fact that a lot of people frame the stories around him as unimpactful and therefore unimportant.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissing Concerns on Inappropriate Touching Across Multiple Posts
America are going to shoot themselves in their foot and give Trump four more years in office if this somehow becomes a point of major criticism towards Biden. It should be a warning to Biden and ensure that it won't happen again rather than turn it into something more extreme. I agree that it is inappropriate to touch people and Biden should just stick with a handshake from now on.. close friend a hug and maybe a kiss on the cheek.
The solution is actually simple: don't nominate creeps with a history of normalized racism.
Are you seriously implying that Biden being a sexual harasser shouldn't be a big deal?!? WTF!
No, I said that he should be warned and chastised for his action, but do you think we should disqualify him because of this? This is what Trump and the gop wants and I rather have someone who would try and fight for women right than one that doesn't care about it or for minorities.
Is this....casually dismissing sexually charged behavior and clear harassment against clearly uncomfortable women?
You think Trump who embodies the worst elements of the GOP is going to let that one slide? The only reason Trump exists despite what he's done on this is because people on the right tolerate it. And your saying Biden is now excused in the democratic party of being a serial harasser?
Its not something his staff did, its something he's done multiple times, enough to have it on tape, and plenty of times likely where there was no evidence on top.
Again, this is just his actions. If we're going to attack him actual policy, there's that too, which i also think would disqualify him on its own but that's a different story.
This would be a huge issue if he were the nominee. Dems are held to a different standard than out current president. He should not run.
You don't care about women's rights if you want this fuck to be president
Hmm.. yea, it would seem that way. If he doesn't run(one who is most likely to beat trump), then who should come up in his place? I am not trump biggest fan, so this seems to be playing into their hands.
Gotta keep giving old white men excuses and chances after chances.
Yes. Or do you think being a sexual harasser is ok?
Oh wow look at how much he cares about women rights.
If you think someone like biden is actually the best one to beat trump your kind of duping yourself. This is just one issue he could throw in biden's face. With biden's record trump could essentially deflect any critisisims of himself back at Biden.
Again, the sexual harassment angle is just one. Trump did the exact same thing against Clinton when he was accused during the campaign trail.
Biden is one of the worst people to beat trump despite his current poll numbers. just wait until he gets into the race and he actually has a spotlight on him. he's numbers will be going down with the constant attention on him like every other time he's ran.
The Republican Party doesn't care about women right. I never voted for that party, but if Democratic Party doesn't choose Biden, then I m ok with that. I don't want Biden to be president, but rather a democratic that can beat trump and have good policies.
That is what the polls is saying not me. I m not trump biggest fan and as I said before, Biden should be criticized for this.
That's the picture I've been waiting for. The look on those two guys faces says it all.
Polls can be deceiving. You should check out who was on top early on in the past few presidential polls
I'd cut some slack to family, and maybe to friends of family, but on a societal level it's something we should leave behind. Boundaries don't disappear when you cross 70, even though current cultural norms says they do.
I am not giving him a chance. I said he should be criticized. I m not overlooking it like what society does with systemic racism and all the republican problems.
I never said it was ok. But, if this make Biden a sexual harasser then he should drop out.
It's a shame that there is only 1 candidate running and we have to vote for them right?
Get the fuck out here dismissing peoples concerns about gross behavior and saying 4 more years of trumpamirite? That shit should be bannable.
Get the fuck out here dismissing peoples concerns about gross behavior and saying 4 more years of trumpamirite? That shit should be bannable.
Lol, people saying outting Biden's incredibly creepy and problematic behavior is a "purity test"?
Jesus.
Jesus.
A quick google search and you can see Biden leading most of it. Maybe things has changed now though.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...-nearly-ties-bernie-but-loses-to-biden-in?amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...s-lead-trump-in-pennsylvania-by-10-points?amp
I dont see how this affects the Democratic party at all. The only way this "screws" Democrats is if he runs and gets the nomination despite us all voting against him.
Right now, this is just a gross dude getting called out for his gross behavior, and rightfully so.
my uncle always tells stories about private conversations with Joe Biden from years ago. I always assumed it was crazy made up uncle stuff but I'm starting to wonder
worked for Kavanaugh
Joe has always been way too touchy. Only reason he was acceptable was because of Obama.
just like gross uncle conversationa/locker room stuff. it's probably still fake but I always think about them when I read stuff like this.