Yes.
Yes.
I'm not sure why you're bringing the Oscars into this since I didn't say anything about them?
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Considering *that* cameo, do you think Death Stranding should be nominated for the Game Awards?
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Right? I thought something like 70% of viewers are there more for announcements than for awards.
Most awards shows kinda stink otherwise.
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The truth of the matter is that he should've never have done the cameo in the first place. Now we're in an awkward scenario where it being nominated looks awkward optics-wise even if he doesn't actually participate/have influence over the voting, but at the same time the game doesn't deserve to be removed either.
Ultimately, I say keep it, what's done is done, but I get why it makes people feel a little weird. But whatever, we're all really there for the announcements anyways.
Ultimately, I say keep it, what's done is done, but I get why it makes people feel a little weird. But whatever, we're all really there for the announcements anyways.
It's not like Geoff exclusively works on TGA. Kojima isn't his only friend in the industry. People are just making a bigger deal out of this because they don't like DS.
People taking The Game Awards seriously need to be put away from the internet for a while. It is just a big commercial and celebration of games and their creators, it was never and never will be the "Oscars" of gaming, watch the DICE or GDC Awards for that.
I see nothing wrong on what's happening here, and if Geoff wants to give all the trophies to Kojima and have a live sex celebration in the middle of the stage, so be it. It's his show, funded with a lot of his own money, we just get to see some cool shit in it for free. Geoff is cool in my book.
I see nothing wrong on what's happening here, and if Geoff wants to give all the trophies to Kojima and have a live sex celebration in the middle of the stage, so be it. It's his show, funded with a lot of his own money, we just get to see some cool shit in it for free. Geoff is cool in my book.
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Agree to disagree.
I think is good people question the validity of the awards for a potential conflict of interest.
I don't think Death Stranding being a GOTY has anything to do with Geoff, but I think it should be at the very minimum disclosed he was in it as a cameo. He is a producer of the show after all.
Can't speak for anyone but I would assume that the posters in this thread saying it's fine aren't the same people out there complaining about ethics in games journalism.
Disclosed?
Since when is it a secret?
It has been a well known fact long before the game was released.
I honestly dont care. If Keighley didnt chose the nominees, and the public is chosing, its 100% a nothing burger.
The Oscars are the movie equivelent to what Keighley is attempting to build, despite them being rigged with money and parties to give specific people the awards, people think its legit.
What happens if Smash wins GOTY? Is it just an industry connected game winning because it has Kojima, Square and Microsoft owned properties in it? Should Keighley step down because hes friends with Kojima, who created a character in Smash? He's also buddies with Phil Spencer, should Smash not win because Phil's company owns Banjo?
Yeah, if we are talking conflict of interest here, in that case, Keighley shouldn't be allowed to make the show AT ALL. But he's the producer and main investor on it.
I wish there was a third option.
I agree it's not a good look, but that doesn't directly mean it should or shouldn't be nominated. It's just not a good look because the association is there.
I agree it's not a good look, but that doesn't directly mean it should or shouldn't be nominated. It's just not a good look because the association is there.
We all know that game reviewers receive codes from publishers to review games and they still disclose that fact. Also, would you say 100% of the people that watch the TGAs know Geoff is in the game? I wouldn't.
So Microsoft shouldn't have any games they have on their platform nominated if its on Mixer this year?
Sony shouldn't be able to have nominations if they use Sony cameras to produce the show?
If Nintendo pays to have a trailer shown at a specific time during the show, is it a conflict of interest if one of their games wins an award? The Award show would take money directly for the ad/trailer
Where does conflict of interest end?
What if Keighley just wanted to be in a friend's game after he was finally freed from Konami? What happens if Keighley shows off Valve's new games after years of having a relationship? Will that upset your conflict of interest?
They wouldn't care. At all.
People on here are seriously losing it when it comes to Death Stranding and Kojima.
Look at the advisory board. No game should be on the awards because every game is related to those on the advisory board.
And reviewers get games for free. I guess we gotta take Metacritic offline.
As a said in my first point, I as a person have no issue with any of this, just pointing out what maybe people would say about this whole "conflict of interest", and that's exactly what I'm saying is, if there's so much "conflict" the show shouldn't exist. But I'm glad and happy it does.
The show is already a joke even relative to other awards shows which are universally regarded as miserable wastes of time.
It's a bad look but it's no more embarrassing than any number of moments and incidents these shows have had over the years and I doubt Geoff cares at all or he'd be doing a different show.
It's a bad look but it's no more embarrassing than any number of moments and incidents these shows have had over the years and I doubt Geoff cares at all or he'd be doing a different show.
It should be nominated, with a remark that the host is in the game. Godammit Era, you made me defend the Game Awards...
(Kojima is in the game too for all that care.)
(Kojima is in the game too for all that care.)
Doesn't bother me personally because full transparency, I watch the show for reveals and see what is talked about.
I'm glad for everyone nominated and feel great for the winners but I don't really care about the awards...
I'm glad for everyone nominated and feel great for the winners but I don't really care about the awards...
Here is who votes for this crap btw: https://thegameawards.com/voting-jury
"Nominations for The Game Awards are selecting by a voting jury of 80 leading media and influencer outlets across the globe."
One of them is Famitsu. Who will they vote for I wonder... The fucking Oscars have more integrity.
"Nominations for The Game Awards are selecting by a voting jury of 80 leading media and influencer outlets across the globe."
One of them is Famitsu. Who will they vote for I wonder... The fucking Oscars have more integrity.
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What's going to be your excuse when DS is inevitably nominated and wins from a bunch of different publications?
At least TGA have trailers and reveals, I haven't watched the Oscars in a decade but I always tune into TGA.
That Destra is an interesting game and a breath of fresh air in the AAA development space? Yeah, I'll go with that SolidSnakex.
It would be a great deal healthier for discourse if people stopped caring about arbitrary commercial awards and arbitrary numerical review scores to begin with, but that's obviously a fantasy.
I 100% agree with you that most people wouldn't care. It's still no reason to not disclose something.
Edit: Thanks to the user above, I remember that I was using the wrong word. Is not disclosure what I meant, is a disclaimer. Sorry.
What does the revelancy or the status of someone have anything to do with the topic?
Nobody is talking about the quality of the game. It's about a possible conflict or interests (or lack thereof).
Who would you like to choose the games then? Honest question.
Not Famitsu, not Bild (Jesus Christ), not Kinda Funny, etc --R. That list is worse than I ever expected. The Oscars are still a mess even after the reform but the idea behind The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and how they vote is a good one. It also leads to fascinating post-mortems:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/topic/brutally-honest-oscar-voter-ballot
The Suicide Squad ceremony is the one I stayed up for, it literally happens during the middle of the night over here, as I could feel it in my bones that it would win Betty. A night without sleep well spent! Seeing the internet meltdown live was glorious. I like the film btw. It´s pretty comic accurate. Even in the current state (Ayer borderline disowned the film in 2019). 8/10 for the Extended Cut.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/topic/brutally-honest-oscar-voter-ballot
The Suicide Squad ceremony is the one I stayed up for, it literally happens during the middle of the night over here, as I could feel it in my bones that it would win Betty. A night without sleep well spent! Seeing the internet meltdown live was glorious. I like the film btw. It´s pretty comic accurate. Even in the current state (Ayer borderline disowned the film in 2019). 8/10 for the Extended Cut.
Clearly it's a huge conflict of interest but the rewards are a joke anyway.
I think most people who care even give the tiniest shit about ethics would think the same here?
I think most people who care even give the tiniest shit about ethics would think the same here?
I mean, Disco Elysium has 13 perfect scores and only 3 scores under 8/10 or equivalent out of 51 reviews, and yet somehow didn't make the cut.
My point is that the people saying it shouldn't be considered because of a tiny inconsequential facial capture from GK, amongst all the other inconsequential (and might I add optional to engage with in-game) facial captures in the game are bypassing the fact that the game actually being a contender is because people enjoyed the game on its own merits. If someone can prove it was nominated because Geoffs face is in it then I concede.
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