Contraceptive app hit with complaints after causing 37 unwanted pregnancies

skeptem · Jan 16, 2018

The app was just a temperature log. This is the rhythm method. Great for getting pregnant, risky for not getting pregnant. Though if used correctly, using a well calibrated thermometer and following it to a tee, it can work. You just have to stay out of those iffy times when it can go either way.

You could just as easily follow a paper guide, this app just made it easier.

If you don't want to get pregnant, use an iud or the pill with the addition of a condom. Safe sex and paychecks, people.

Hollywood Duo · Jan 16, 2018

I don't want to say these people deserved what they got because bringing an unwanted child in to the world is horrible but man this is just some really high grade ignorance.

MasterChumly · Jan 16, 2018

I would only use this method when my wife and I were already married and didn't want kids yet but would be ok with a oopsie. I mean it definitely works but obviously it's a pretty high risk considering what you get.

Fliesen · Jan 16, 2018

MasterChumly said:
I would only use this method when my wife and I were already married and didn't want kids yet but would be ok with a oopsie. I mean it definitely works but obviously it's a pretty high risk considering what you get.

Yup, it's very much a "we don't want kids yet but whatever happens happens" method.

Carfo · Jan 16, 2018

very sad it led to 37 abortions because of irresponsible people

Deleted member 11157 · Jan 16, 2018

We love our phones.

GoldenEye 007 · Jan 16, 2018

Carfo said:
very sad it led to 37 abortions because of irresponsible people

Better 37 abortions than 37 babies brought into this world that cannot be supported. Every method of contraception has failure rates and can lead to difficult decisions for the mother.

Roberto Larcos · Jan 16, 2018

This method must be extremely popular among Catholics, no?

Firemind · Jan 16, 2018

Fliesen said:
Like, when you put the still-rolled-up condom against the tip of your penis, and you notice you're about to put it on the wrong way around

(like this)

you should already throw out that one because there's a likely some precum on the - once you turn it around - outside(!) of your condom.
Now imagine what happens when that's the only condom available...

How can there likely be precum before you even have sex? lol

If you're about to blow from just the blowjob then you shouldn't waste a condom tbh.

Finale Fireworker · Jan 16, 2018

My fiancée uses an app to track her menstrual cycles to great effect but I don't think we'd ever trust an app alone to track her fertility. Obviously women have tracked their ovulation naturally with careful record-keeping since ancient times, but it always seems to me like the contraceptive method most prone to human error.

But a 93% success is pretty terrific if it's accurate. I do wonder how many users have avoided pregnancy because of careful use of the app and how many just wouldn't have gotten pregnant anyway. More varieties of birth control that allow people to make the right choice for themselves is a great thing and I hope this app isn't denigrated for a statistically low rate of failure.

My SO takes an oral contraceptive and I don't do any PIV ejaculation. We'd get an abortion if we ever needed one, but neither of us are really willing to take the risk, so we both take some responsibility in preventing a pregnancy. This app strikes me as something that would be supremely effective when used in conjunction with a second form of birth control as well.

Fliesen · Jan 16, 2018

Firemind said:
How can there likely be precum before you even have sex? lol

If you're about to blow from just the blowjob then you shouldn't waste a condom tbh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-ejaculate

simply a high degree of arousal (something that is likely to be the case when you're about to put on a condom) can lead to the excretion of precum

This is not "about to blow" - precum doesn't get emitted near climax, but during foreplay. It's a natural lubricant.

I love the combination of macho attitude and misinformation though :P

Dennis8K · Jan 16, 2018

Grym said:
Not sure the app was what caused the pregnancies ;)

HOW IS BABBY FORMED?

Firemind · Jan 16, 2018

Fliesen said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-ejaculate

simply a high degree of arousal (something that is likely to be the case when you're about to put on a condom) can lead to the excretion of precum

This is not "about to blow" - precum doesn't get emitted near climax, but during foreplay. It's a natural lubricant.

I love the combination of macho attitude and misinformation though :P

The presence of spermin the fluid is variable from low to absent.

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Vic Damone Jr. · Jan 16, 2018

Fliesen said:
Like, when you put the still-rolled-up condom against the tip of your penis, and you notice you're about to put it on the wrong way around

(like this)

you should already throw out that one because there's a likely some precum on the - once you turn it around - outside(!) of your condom.
Now imagine what happens when that's the only condom available...

That's why you should blow into it first.

tuxfool · Jan 16, 2018

Firemind said:
How can there likely be precum before you even have sex? lol

If you're about to blow from just the blowjob then you shouldn't waste a condom tbh.

Did you have sex-ed at school?

Also low presence of sperm isn't zero. Probabilities are low, but you have no way of knowing either way.

LosDaddie · Jan 16, 2018

So these women were just letting their man bust inside because an app said it was ok? Not even try to at least pull out?

Some damn fools

Carfo said:
very sad it led to 37 abortions because of irresponsible people

Same thoughts.

tuxfool · Jan 16, 2018

LosDaddie said:
So these women were just letting their man bust inside because an app said it was ok? Not even try to at least pull out?

Given the total numbers of users and reported cases it would seem to bear out the effectiveness of the app.

Whether those numbers are due to external factors is certainly worth questioning.

Firemind · Jan 16, 2018

tuxfool said:
Did you have sex-ed at school?

Also low presence of sperm isn't zero.

We just don't freak out about precum in our country. Probability is low UNLESS you're nearing orgasm.

Thrill_house · Jan 16, 2018

Christ man can we just get a pill or shot for guys that makes us shoot blanks for 6 mo to a year? Would be far easier, as others have said the pill completely fucks some women up

Fliesen · Jan 16, 2018

Firemind said:
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I mean, you're moving the goalpost from obviously thinking "pre cum" is literally being close to cumming to now arguing about the concentration of sperm within said liquid.

It's okay to be misinformed and learn. We were talking about the proper / improper use of condoms, and pre-cum poses a non-zero risk of causing a pregnancy, and it's a phenomenon that many (including you) are kinda unaware of.

The Last Wizard said:
That's why you should blow into it first.

definitely.

Linkura · Jan 16, 2018

How in the FUCK was this certified as a legitimate contraceptive by the EU?!

tuxfool · Jan 16, 2018

Firemind said:
We just don't freak out about precum in our country. Probability is low UNLESS you're nearing orgasm.

There are low probabilities of getting pregnant when using this app correctly.
Still didn't stop some people from getting pregnant.

People are certainly welcome to handle their precum however they like, but then they can't really complain that contraception didn't work if they didn't take even easy precautions.

Firemind · Jan 16, 2018

Fliesen said:
I mean, you're moving the goalpost from obviously thinking "pre cum" is literally being close to cumming to now arguing about the concentration of sperm within said liquid.

It's okay to be misinformed and learn. We were talking about the proper / improper use of condoms, and pre-cum poses a non-zero risk of causing a pregnancy, and it's a phenomenon that many (including you) are kinda unaware of.

You're the one who says there's LIKELY precum before you even enter penetration which is not supported by anything but your own hunch.

Mauricio_Magus · Jan 16, 2018

Carfo said:
very sad it led to 37 abortions because of irresponsible people

I'm not sad about it, I don't want people this stupid to bring so many unwanted children to this world, when they are ready, and hopefully smarter, they can try again.

No Depth · Jan 16, 2018

Life found a way.

spookyduzt · Jan 16, 2018

Remember that iOS update that made iPhones waterproof?

Hollywood Duo · Jan 16, 2018

Mauricio_Magus said:
I'm not sad about it, I don't want people this stupid to bring so many unwanted children to this world, when they are ready, and hopefully smarter, they can try again.

You say that like there is no psychological or physical effect on a woman who gets an abortion. Yes its better than carrying and delivering an unwanted child but it could have lasting effects on these women.

Akira86 · Jan 16, 2018

rhythm method always gets ya.

tuxfool · Jan 16, 2018

Firemind said:
You're the one who says there's LIKELY precum before you even enter penetration which is not supported by anything but your own hunch.

I don't think you understand what precum is...

Fliesen said:
simply a high degree of arousal (something that is likely to be the case when you're about to put on a condom) can lead to the excretion of precum

Where did he say precum was likely?

Moreover even a high likelihood of precum is doesn't mean high quantities of sperm, but any quantity leads to a Nonzero chance of pregnancy.

Holy shit, this is a perfect demonstration of why sex ed is so critical.

Mauricio_Magus · Jan 16, 2018

Hollywood Duo said:
You say that like there is no psychological or physical effect on a woman who gets an abortion. Yes its better than carrying and delivering an unwanted child but it could have lasting effects on these women.

There are consequences for actions, and it's still their choice, they can still keep the baby if they want, even if I doubt most will.

The situation just sucks in general.

ShyMel · Jan 16, 2018

I at one point was using an app to track my cycle and it did give me an option to show how my fertility would be day to day. I could see using it if you are trying to get pregnant but I would never use it as the sole method of birth control.

Firemind · Jan 16, 2018

Last page.

you should already throw out that one because there's a likely some precum on the - once you turn it around - outside(!) of your condom.

I'm aware you can get precum from arousal lol

GraveRobberX · Jan 16, 2018

I await the men libido app which already has every man 100% no matter what

Hey lets fuck?, My app says I'm good to go
Sorry, my app is telling me No at the moment
This some bullshit!
What can you do?, You follow the apps rule!

tuxfool · Jan 16, 2018

Firemind said:
Last page in his/her original post.

I'm aware you can get precum from arousal lol

Ah yes. But then again it is better to presume there will be, a person in that position isn't liable to be able to do a thorough check.

SnakeyHips · Jan 16, 2018

I wonder what the beta testing for this app was like.

Hollywood Duo · Jan 16, 2018

Mauricio_Magus said:
There are consequences for actions, and it's still their choice, they can still keep the baby if they want, even if I doubt most will.

The situation just sucks in general.

Agreed

Fliesen · Jan 16, 2018

Firemind said:
Last page.

I'm aware you can get precum from arousal lol

Well, yeah, now you are. You're welcome.
Before, you equated it to "being about to blow".

But you got me - i said "likely", i should have said "possible". But since we're - once again - talking about minimizing risks (of pregnancy) - things that are 'possible' is what is meant to be avoided.

Bakercat · Jan 16, 2018

"Wait, Do you have a condom?"

"Naw baby, I got an app for that"

Firemind · Jan 16, 2018

lmao

might as well never have sex

unless you get a vasectomy

Carfo · Jan 16, 2018

Hollywood Duo said:
You say that like there is no psychological or physical effect on a woman who gets an abortion. Yes its better than carrying and delivering an unwanted child but it could have lasting effects on these women.

i looked into this and while i'm pro-life, there is very little evidence to say that abortions have some kind of psychological or physical effects on the women. you would think they would, given they're ending/preventing a life, but most go in and out as easy as a routine checkup. what gets me is that there's thousands of parents out there who can't have kids that would gladly raise these babies

The Masked Mufti · Jan 16, 2018

Should have went through the back

Oynox · Jan 16, 2018

I am seriously wondering, why that app is even so big. Just because it is "certified"? There is a completely free (and popular) alternative which probably does just about the same thing. I mean this app charges the user 65€ a year... Maybe I would complain too if I spend that much money on "certified contraception" and it goes wrong haha

hurlex · Jan 16, 2018

Roberto Larcos said:
Depending on the number of people using the app, this may be entirely expected. They claim a 93% effectiveness with 'typical use' - which would mean 37 unwanted pregnancies per 529 people using the app per year. For a city the size of Stockholm, that's maybe not hugely unexpected. For comparison, Planned Parenthood rates condoms as 85% effective in preventing pregnancy with typical use.

To be fair, it says condoms are 98% effective if used properly, but since apparently a lot of people fuck it up, they are only have an effective rate of 85%.

Timeaisis · Jan 16, 2018

Wow, people are stupid.

Inugami · Jan 16, 2018

AxeVince said:
Pull n' shoot never worked, any doctor could tell you that.

That's not entirely true.

Zolo said:
93% is way too low as that's basically 1 in 15 times of having sex.

That's not how that works... That % is per year of using that method.

Fliesen · Jan 16, 2018

Oynox said:
I am seriously wondering, why that app is even so big. Just because it is "certified"? There is a completely free (and popular) alternative which probably does just about the same thing. I mean this app charges the user 65€ a year... Maybe I would complain too if I spend that much money on "certified contraception" and it goes wrong haha

I guess?

It's important that the algorithm is solid. The issue is that people didn't understand that while the app is "certified" to do what it means to do - what it means to do is still a not-really-perfect method of contraception, that is often times used in combination with physical contraception, like using condoms on the "riskier" days, enjoying the sensation of going in "naked" on the days that are safe, while at the same time being aware that a pregnancy could still occur.

KojiKnight said:
That's not how that works... That % is per year of using that method.

yup, isn't it "after 1 year, how many of the women(couples) using this method had gotten pregnant?"
So it's 1 in 15 couples.

Aureon · Jan 16, 2018

Ahem:
Pearl Index is actually "Number of pregnancies in a typical 100 woman-years of use", not a raw%.

gaiages · Jan 16, 2018

Nevermind, I don't know how to read lol

Deleted member 15737 · Jan 16, 2018

gaiages said:
I'm sorry, where in the OP does it say all these people are getting abortions?

Don't you think this comment is a little presumptuous? The thread isn't even about abortions.

It's in the OP quote "
after 37 women visited the hospital for an abortion after becoming pregnant while using Natural Cycles."

gaiages · Jan 16, 2018

Nicktals said:
It's in the OP quote "
after 37 women visited the hospital for an abortion after becoming pregnant while using Natural Cycles."

Goddamn, my reading comprehension really failed me today.

Nevermind >.>"""

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