Contrapoints is De-Radicalizing Young, Right-Wing Men [VICE]

Mulligan

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She is absolutely incredible. Between Natalie, PhilosophyTube, and HBomberguy, my perceptions are constantly challenged.
 

Birdie

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Her "Are Traps Gay" video really, really spoke to me.

I'm not radicalized or anything, but I was going through some rough questioning of my sexuality and I really loved the message of that video which boiled down to "only you get to decide your sexuality". And I quit worrying.
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
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There's a small circle of lefty-tube that's worth salvaging from the rotting carcass of YouTube, namely ContraPoints, PhilosophyTube, a few others I don't really pay attention to.
 

Kilrogg

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Other YouTubers worth mentioning: Shaun (formerly ShaunandJen) and ThreeArrows. Knowing Better is pretty good too.
 

Feep

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Oct 25, 2017
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God bless Contrapoints. Incredible videos.
 

Neece

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There are some amazing youtubers doing great work producing leftist/progressive content. But I do think she may be doing the heaviest lifting when it comes to deconverting the troll/shitpost type right wingers.

I do worry about her well being sometimes because of how deep she dives into some of the vile stuff she researches in addition to how much of herself she shares in her videos. The video where she compared herself with incels made her seem so vulnerable. And then there's the fact that she is heavily criticized from "both sides" and she feels like she has to walk a tight line. Every new video seems like its an exhausting and frightening labor of love. But the honesty and insight stand out in a sea of content. I just hope she has a good support team because her videos are invaluable.
 
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collige

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Oct 31, 2017
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I love Contrapoints' videos, but the whole non-binary thing and her reaction to it really rubbed me the wrong way.
 

Suiko

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Oct 25, 2017
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Contrapoints got me to sign-up to Patreon, so there is that.
The Lindsay Ellis / Contra Points crossover event was the most ambitious crossover ever.

I love Contrapoints' videos, but the whole non-binary thing and her reaction to it really rubbed me the wrong way.
What about it bothered you?
 

DIE BART DIE

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Oct 25, 2017
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I watch most lefty YouTubers and think "I could do this if I wasn't so lazy". Most of the time it's good content that's packaged well, but nothing really insightful.

Not with Natalie. I watch Contrapoints and think "...yeah, this person is much smarter than me".
 

collige

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Oct 31, 2017
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Contrapoints got me to sign-up to Patreon, so there is that.
The Lindsay Ellis / Contra Points crossover event was the most ambitious crossover ever.



What about it bothered you?
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageGenderBinary/comments/9k1c5f/contrapoints_lost_twitter_thread/

I'm sure there's a reasonable thought process behind what she said, but my problem is rather than elaborate on what could be read as a bigoted statement, she just deleted the whole thread and didn't comment on it (to my knowledge).
 

GustyGardens

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I love Natalie and I think her and her videos are a treasure. I don't always think she's funny, but damn if the videos aren't outstanding.
 

Birdie

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I hate to say this but I don't share her videos on FB because of how crude they can be.

But I guess given the topics that bluntness is needed. Just makes it hard to recommend it to average folks for me.

That comes off as a bit bigoted I'll admit. I probably should share this at the very least.
 

Jecht

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Oct 25, 2017
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I hate to say this but I don't share her videos on FB because of how crude they can be.

But I guess given the topics that bluntness is needed. Just makes it hard to recommend it to average folks for me.

That comes off as a bit bigoted I'll admit. I probably should share this at the very least.
Are your friends adults? I think they can probably handle it. Send them the Incels video, its a somewhat tamer starting point.
 

captive

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Oct 25, 2017
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never heard of contrapoints before, but if she's getting alt right people to watch her stuff and pull their heads out of their asses, good for her.

the reporter here, Elle Reeve, was the same reporter that was at Charlottesville for Vice, which was an amazing piece.
 

Birdie

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Oct 26, 2017
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Are your friends adults? I think they can probably handle it. Send them the Incels video, its a somewhat tamer starting point.
It's not so much them being offended but rather I feel like if you're already a bit adverse to transfolk (most of my friends aren't bigots but I don't think they're exactly open to the concept) Natalie might scare you off, which I know she's mentioned before is a thing that other members of the community have levied as a criticism at her.

I don't mean to sound like I'm tone policing here or she should change her videos to suit a wider audience.
 

Altairre

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Oct 25, 2017
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She's doing some incredible work and it's a really great contrapoint to all the alt-right garbage on YT.
 

Kernel

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Oct 25, 2017
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She's got the right idea that it's not about facts with these people.

Few people seem to have caught on to this.