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Control PC performance thread
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I'm running at 900p render resolution on a 1080p monitor (after editing the ini). On an RX580 and FX8350 I'm getting 50-72fps with reflections and volumetric lighting turned down one notch and MSAA at 2x. It's very smooth and a great experience.
Fyi You can just launch the executable in the program directory with dx11 or dx12 in the filename to skip the splash screen
Yeah this was my sense as well- game would be solid smooth but after 1 hour or so hitching started no matter what settings... might just have to restart the game ever once in a while...
I played for about an hour, so not a long test. I do believe it has a memory leak as well. It's the only other explanation I can think of for the continuous stutter issues.
Everything on max settings? Try lowering only Volumetric Lighting and see if that helps.
Probably still a good idea to play on Borderless instead of Fullscreen. That way you get tripple buffering instead of double buffering even if you keep vsync on, so you'll still have it working as a framerate limiter. A drop from 60 to ~55 for one second will most likely go unnoticed, but not when it goes all the way down to 30 for that one second, which is what it does at fullscreen.
the two things that got rid of the stutters for me on my 2080ti are turning on low latency mode in Nvidia control panel set it to"on' not ultra and secondly lowering my overclock on your video card so if you have an overclock reduce it and hopefully those will get rid of this
Exact setup, same issues.
I disabled some cores in Ryzen Master and enabled Legacy Mode.. You can try Game Mode for a quick fix.
Could be shader compilation stutter. If the game is trying to load shaders that are already cached by your driver, you're fine. If not: stutter. Just a guess.
Shader caching stutter wouldn't ever be confused with memory leak related stutter, the former would manifest early on and then go away after a while, whereas the latter wold be fine early on and then start happening after awhile
Yeah I am pretty sure there are engine issues, even with the fixes I have done to get rid of stutters, (lower GPU OC, and low latency mode) even though they are gone right away like before they would happen as soon as I started. After 1.5-2 hours it starts to have hitches again, not near as office but they happen. Restarting the game gets rid of them. Something is happening, I don't think it's necessarily a memory leak per say as I pay attention to MEM and RAM usage via RTSS onscreen at all times and they don't increase much but it has to be some kind of engine maybe recycling or a stuck thread.
Has anyone seen any word from Remedy about potential patches or any acknowledgement they are aware of issues?
Has anyone seen any word from Remedy about potential patches or any acknowledgement they are aware of issues?
Can some people test loading times differences between DX11 and DX12?
For some reason DX12 (12 sec) loads more than three times faster than DX11 (44 sec). Can anyone reproduce that? Dying and fast traveling is really annoying, but with DX12 I get some occasional ultra-short but annoying freezes in combat while I maintain perfectly fine 60fps with enough GPU (90% workload) and more than enough CPU (50% workload) overhead.
i5 4690k and GTX 1070 (OC)
For some reason DX12 (12 sec) loads more than three times faster than DX11 (44 sec). Can anyone reproduce that? Dying and fast traveling is really annoying, but with DX12 I get some occasional ultra-short but annoying freezes in combat while I maintain perfectly fine 60fps with enough GPU (90% workload) and more than enough CPU (50% workload) overhead.
i5 4690k and GTX 1070 (OC)
Yeah this is the exact thing I have experienced- annoying but not a deal breaker. Wondering if this happens in dx11?
The game holds the world state in memory- all the destruction generally is retained- perhaps this is a reason..
Wait, FOR REAL?
I had no idea it behaved like that! (I don't traditionally play AAA games on PC so I'm not usually chasing better performance like this.) That could totally transform my experience. I'll try it right now -- thank you!!
Loaded this game up and had some pretty severe graphical glitches, whole game had these white dots all over it
So I finally solved the issue where the game would freeze for a second or so after I unpaused all the time.
Looks like if you turn on vsync on full-screen or run it in borderless mode, it fixes the pause issue for me. I wonder if it's related to my monitor using Gsync...
Looks like if you turn on vsync on full-screen or run it in borderless mode, it fixes the pause issue for me. I wonder if it's related to my monitor using Gsync...
So consensus seems to be DX11 runs better and has less stuttering than DX12? Just loading this up for the first time now. 980ti so raytracing isn't a factor.
Interesting, thanks. I have that issue as well. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be willing to give up g-sync in order to avoid it.
So I gave this a shot and reset to factory OC w/ Afterburner (and factory settings on the CPU as well) and it seems to happen less often at least? Still, an improvement.
Try downclocking further to the spec stock speed. Sometimes, even factory OC aren't 100% stable.
It is, but you have not mentioned the resolution you want to play at.
Ideally 1080p.
Usually in the range of 2-5% performance loss from my experience. Nearly negligible.
Hmmmm, the low latency modes weren't fixing my stuttering/hitching in combat but not capping the framerate with RTSS has. The game runs between the mid 30-40s range but isn't stuttering or unstable like any other game. Weird.
I'm 350MHz underclocked now (to 1500MHz, just under stock for the FE card) and no dice. Now I get the hitches + normal framerate drops from being at max utilization from the underclock lol
I'll try this later tonight
Dictator any thoughts on the stuttering issue that occurs after about an hour of play in dx12? Potential that it could be covered in your analysis? Seems to be some kind of memory leak or engine issue.
Either way I'm very much looking forward to your deep dive. Rtx and dlss really stand out in this game, such a shame about the issues with consistency after a long period of play...
Either way I'm very much looking forward to your deep dive. Rtx and dlss really stand out in this game, such a shame about the issues with consistency after a long period of play...
DX11 vs. DX12 issues seem to be more prevalent with this game.
In this thread, there are several instances of people complaining about stutters/hitches on DX12 that are "fixed" after switching to DX11. Conversely, some are claiming that loading times are considerably worse on DX11. Until there's some proper testing, we won't know for sure.
I'd be of great help to have the experts tackle those issues, so we can have confirmation.
I think that's a bug. Someone else mentioned noticing a "wet" look on some of the textures (both of characters and objects), and that happened to me once. I died a few times during the first boss fight, and in one of those times, the game loaded with many textures looking grainy and sparkly. Then, after I died again and the game reloaded, everything was back to normal.
Alex said that his video will be more focused on RT and DLSS. We can only hope that another video will be coming in the future. I strongly believe that this game entails more discussion about those DX issues, as I mentioned above.
In this thread, there are several instances of people complaining about stutters/hitches on DX12 that are "fixed" after switching to DX11. Conversely, some are claiming that loading times are considerably worse on DX11. Until there's some proper testing, we won't know for sure.
I'd be of great help to have the experts tackle those issues, so we can have confirmation.
I think that's a bug. Someone else mentioned noticing a "wet" look on some of the textures (both of characters and objects), and that happened to me once. I died a few times during the first boss fight, and in one of those times, the game loaded with many textures looking grainy and sparkly. Then, after I died again and the game reloaded, everything was back to normal.
Alex said that his video will be more focused on RT and DLSS. We can only hope that another video will be coming in the future. I strongly believe that this game entails more discussion about those DX issues, as I mentioned above.
So after fiddling with settings for a while and trying to determine whether RTX is worth it, I've come to the conclusion that it definitely is if you can swing it.
The part where you
was enough to make me have to have RTX on. If you toggle it on and off at that part, the difference is almost laughable. It completely changes the scene, adds so much.
Decided on:
4k output resolution with 1080p DLSS
Nvidia freestyle sharpen filter 50%
It looks just about as good as 1440p render resolution to me and allows me to keep RTX on.
The part where you
first find the red phone
Decided on:
4k output resolution with 1080p DLSS
Nvidia freestyle sharpen filter 50%
It looks just about as good as 1440p render resolution to me and allows me to keep RTX on.
Were the DS4-not-working issues ever sorted in a concrete way? I still can't get it to respond at all to controller input.
It really really did! Doing that with Vsync off made a WORLD of a difference. I tweaked a few more things and now it's looking and playing leagues better than yesterday.
It really really did! Doing that with Vsync off made a WORLD of a difference. I tweaked a few more things and now it's looking and playing leagues better than yesterday.
Ouch, first encounter in a midgame area hard froze my PC. The game seems to get more demanding graphically as it goes on.
I tried getting rid of the RTSS FPS cap and still hitching. I'm wondering if the area you're in has something to do with it. Like the room just outside of
seemed like it spiked more often, not even in a firefight just running around I was getting pretty bad hitching.
Anyone else getting the hitching/stuttering problem:
Does your GPU Usage dip when it occurs? Because mine seems to. I'd almost think it's stuttring to stream in assets or something but if that was the case I'd expect to see it more moving between areas. I'm installed on a 7200RPM HDD maybe I'll move it to the NVMe and see if that does anything. Time to see if I can move install folders in EGS lol.
Dead Letters and the place with the shitload of clocks
Anyone else getting the hitching/stuttering problem:
Does your GPU Usage dip when it occurs? Because mine seems to. I'd almost think it's stuttring to stream in assets or something but if that was the case I'd expect to see it more moving between areas. I'm installed on a 7200RPM HDD maybe I'll move it to the NVMe and see if that does anything. Time to see if I can move install folders in EGS lol.
the two things that got rid of the stutters for me on my 2080ti are turning on low latency mode in Nvidia control panel set it to"on' not ultra and secondly lowering my overclock on your video card so if you have an overclock reduce it and hopefully those will get rid of this
Though there seems to be underline engine issue in dx12 so after 1.5 hours or so you may start to get hitches again. Restarting game fixes it for me
Yes loading times are atrocious with DX11 for me as well but weird enough i only get the short freezes you speak off in DX11 mode so DX12 is completly fine loads fast and there is no stutter.
System is a 6900k and a 1070 TI
Has there been an update just now? I noticed that I don't seem to be getting the 1 second stutter anymore when exiting menus.
EDIT:
wtf, after I posted my comment and alt tabbed back into the game, I'm getting the menu stutters again lol.
EDIT:
wtf, after I posted my comment and alt tabbed back into the game, I'm getting the menu stutters again lol.
I don't get freezes in combat with DX12 but I do get texture loading issues instead. They never loading fully. My CPU is the same as yours and I have a GTX980.
What is weird about the texture loading issue is that if I pause and then unpause, the textures finally load in fully.
Like you, the loading times are are exponentially shorter with DX12 so I'm willing to make sacrifices. Another thing is DX11 runs way worse for me. Particularly in the mold area.
Edit: I just thought of something... I have my game installed to a SSD. I wonder if that is why I don't get stutters? Do you guys have it installed to SSDs?
Btw if guys are fine with 30 fps (or 60 if your gpu can handle it) and don't have a gsync/freesync monitor consider using scanline sync in RTSS. I'm playing on high 1440p now at scanline synced 30 fps (sync x/2 -20) in DX12 and the game is extremely smooth (frame times are a completely straight line) without any noticeable input lag it's just fantastic.
There are a few tutorials for it in this thread: https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/requesting-scanline-sync-tutorial.423722/
There are a few tutorials for it in this thread: https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/requesting-scanline-sync-tutorial.423722/
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Glad others have picked up on what I initially found:
-DX11 has much slower loading times
-DX11 is double buffered , DX12 is triple (You can counter this by running borderless instead of fullscreen) (NV vsync doesn't override except adaptive)
-DX11 doesn't stutter at all, DX12 does (alot)
-If set up correctly, 30 is very playable (albeit with alot of blur) on a decent rig. 50 fps locked is also very good from my side.
Now we just need to ask Dev's why...
-DX11 has much slower loading times
-DX11 is double buffered , DX12 is triple (You can counter this by running borderless instead of fullscreen) (NV vsync doesn't override except adaptive)
-DX11 doesn't stutter at all, DX12 does (alot)
-If set up correctly, 30 is very playable (albeit with alot of blur) on a decent rig. 50 fps locked is also very good from my side.
Now we just need to ask Dev's why...
To anyone experiencing the DX12 stutter I recommend you to try the following:
1.In Windows Settings search and open Exploit Protection
2.Click On the Program Settings Tab
3.Click On The + Add Programs To Customise
4.Click On Choose Exact File Path
5.Find Control_DX12.exe Click Open
6.Programs Settings For Game Opened ,Scroll Down To Control Flow Guard
7.Put Check Mark In Override System Settings And Turn From On To Off And Apply
After following those instructions my stutter is 100% gone and the game runs flawless, just thought I would share in case it helps others.
Here's the source where I found it: Possible Solution For DX12 Stutter
1.In Windows Settings search and open Exploit Protection
2.Click On the Program Settings Tab
3.Click On The + Add Programs To Customise
4.Click On Choose Exact File Path
5.Find Control_DX12.exe Click Open
6.Programs Settings For Game Opened ,Scroll Down To Control Flow Guard
7.Put Check Mark In Override System Settings And Turn From On To Off And Apply
After following those instructions my stutter is 100% gone and the game runs flawless, just thought I would share in case it helps others.
Here's the source where I found it: Possible Solution For DX12 Stutter
I think I solved these!!
Looks like with the last 2 nvidia drivers when they added the low latency mode setting something got broke with DX12 and the game setting the number of prerendered frames, they rolled the old "max prerendered frames" setting into the Low latency setting in nvidia control panel. now there are no option to directly set this number. But there are three settings for low latency, off (default) app sets number of frames but this appears to be broken and it's not happening with control (and other DX12 games I have seen) if you turn this setting to on, it sets max prerendered frames to 1 and this fixed the hitches for me, just played 45 mins and running around and in heavy combat no stutters/hitches. Give it a try and let me know if it helps you both!
Don't use ultra low latency (third option) as this doesn't queue at all and pushes frame out just in time and will negatively impact smoothness for the sake of latency.,
Low latency settings have no effect in DX12.
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