Control Ultimate Edition next-gen enhancements detailed

regenhuber · Jan 28, 2021

Just to get this straight....

I started playing the game on Gamepass (XSX) a few days ago.
On Tuesday nothing will happen to me? And even if I bought the Ultimate Edition my save wouldn't transfer?

Thats fucking dumb they lost a sale right there. If I have to start over I anyways I'll do that on PS5 then for free.

Kaswa101 · Jan 28, 2021

PS5 version sounds amazing. Can't wait for next week.

Chopin the Third · Jan 28, 2021

Nice. Will go with the RT mode. I want the eye candy.

BreakAtmo · Jan 28, 2021

s y said:
Raytracing quite a bit paired back from the PC release but that's to be expected. I wonder which console game attempts raytraced global illumination if ever.

I think if we see that it'll be a PS5 exclusive built solely around it and heavily optimised, possibly while being a bit simpler in other areas to compensate.

TheKeyPit · Jan 28, 2021

720p30fps with RT not possible on the Xbox Series S?

🤔

They probably asked themselves "How low do we want to go?" and said "Nope, that resolution wouldn't be ok for us."

Rndom Grenadez · Jan 28, 2021

Not a fan of the Dual Sense, but I'll have to play it on my PS5 because the Ultimate edition isn't on Gamepass.

Kschreck · Jan 28, 2021

Sounds like the next gen version doesn't support most of the raytracing effects of the PC like raytraced lighting, shadows, etc. There are 5 raytracing effects on the PC version as described in this article:

Control: Multiple Stunning Ray-Traced Effects Raise The Bar For Game Graphics

Remedy and 505 Games’ new third-person action game takes realism, image quality and immersion to new heights with ray-traced reflections, shadows and lighting. Learn more.

www.nvidia.com

And it sounds like only 2 of them are available on the PS5/XSX version with this patch. Resolution barely being over 1080p and at just 30fps us a huge bummer.

This patch sounds very disappointing. Barely an upgrade at all. :(

blitzblake · Jan 28, 2021

am I going crazy or is performance mode (aka 60 fps mode) only available on series s?

Chaserjoey · Jan 28, 2021

blitzblake said:
am I going crazy or is performance mode (aka 60 fps mode) only available on series s?

Performance Mode and Graphics Mode are on PS5 / Series X but only Performance Mode is on the Series S. I thought the same as you for a while until I figured that out.

blitzblake · Jan 28, 2021

Chaserjoey said:
Performance Mode and Graphics Mode are on PS5 / Series X but only Performance Mode is on the Series S. I thought the same as you for a while until I figured that out.

Ahhh yes yes ok that makes more sense haha!

GhostofWar · Jan 28, 2021

s y said:
Raytracing quite a bit paired back from the PC release but that's to be expected. I wonder which console game attempts raytraced global illumination if ever.

I do wish the resolution was a bit higher unless their upscale is as good as Insomniac or other 1st party games, which I don't expect.

BreakAtmo said:
I think if we see that it'll be a PS5 exclusive built solely around it and heavily optimised, possibly while being a bit simpler in other areas to compensate.

Metro exodus has a ps5/xsx update in the works where they said it will have RT. RTGI is the only RT Exodus uses so maybe expect it in that.

Lord Error · Jan 28, 2021

Are there some good videos showing the RT difference in the game? I remember seeing some DF video about it, and no matter how much they were excited about the RT, it didn't really look all that different to me. Definitely didn't seem worth halving the framerate at least, especially since 30FPS in this game feels pretty bad, even when it's holding a steady 30FPS.
What I mean by that, is that camera acceleration and type of motion blur they use make the framerate feel worse than it could be, if they handled this kind of thing better, like the Spiderman or TLOU2 do for example. There I would simply forget that the game is running at 30FPS as soon as I'd start playing. In Control I was constantly being reminded that something is off.

supernormal · Jan 28, 2021

Already beat it on PC, but I'm excited to try raytracing and the dual sense on PS5.

BreakAtmo · Jan 28, 2021

GhostofWar said:
Metro exodus has a ps5/xsx update in the works where they said it will have RT. RTGI is the only RT Exodus uses so maybe expect it in that.

Good move on their part. That sounds likely then, unless they decided to add new RT effects to the game. Imagine if they did that, then added those effects to the PC version and updated the DLSS to 2.1.

Bunzy · Jan 28, 2021

ghostcrew said:
I kinda think that Miles Morales 60fps/RT mode is giving people false hopes for what other games are gonna do. It had to make sacrifices beyond just lowering the resolution. They massively reduced the pedestrian density and RT shadows. Not every game has things like pedestrians that they can easily cut down to get performance back. What you gonna cut in Control? Desks?

They've presumably pushed the RT mode as far as they can. Simply lowering the resolution by another 200p would not double the frame rate you'd imagine.

They didn't massively reduce pedestrian density. That's just not true. I'm guessing you didn't play the game on that mode

Lord Error · Jan 28, 2021

Bunzy said:
They didn't massively reduce pedestrian density. That's just not true. I'm guessing you didn't play the game on that mode

I think they only reduced the amount of pedestrians visible in the RT reflection, based on if they are farther in the distance. And they also didn't reduce the RT shadows, because the game never had RT shadows. They did however remove shadows from the RT reflections, so in that sense they did remove RT shadows I guess :) It's an important distinction because they removed something that really wasn't all that visible in the first place.

dgrdsv said:
Considering that 30 fps is already at 1220p a 60 one would drop the resolution into 880p range, below that of XSS. Doubt that anyone would be happy to play the game on new consoles like this.

I would be happy to try it in that res (1080p TV here, which I'm sure a ton of people still have). If they use a high quality upscaling, it wouldn't look bad. UE4 games running at 900p with its temporal upscaling look pretty good. The only question to me is whether the RT effects in this game are worth any tradeoff. They were worth it in Spiderman, but that's a game where there are mirror surfaces everywhere.

Musubi · Jan 28, 2021

I'll take the 30fps with Ray Tracing. Spider-Man Miles Morales really got me excited about Ray Tracing on consoles. I hope we see more of it.

FantasticMrFoxdie · Jan 28, 2021

oh my god the Dualsense stuff might actually push me to do a second playthrough

PLASTICA-MAN · Jan 28, 2021

Kschreck said:
Sounds like the next gen version doesn't support most of the raytracing effects of the PC like raytraced lighting, shadows, etc. There are 5 raytracing effects on the PC version as described in this article:

Control: Multiple Stunning Ray-Traced Effects Raise The Bar For Game Graphics

Remedy and 505 Games’ new third-person action game takes realism, image quality and immersion to new heights with ray-traced reflections, shadows and lighting. Learn more.

www.nvidia.com

And it sounds like only 2 of them are available on the PS5/XSX version with this patch. Resolution barely being over 1080p and at just 30fps us a huge bummer.

This patch sounds very disappointing. Barely an upgrade at all. :(

I fully agree and I am very surprised RTX 2060 SUPER manages to get all maxed out settings + all RT effects in 1440p running at 30 FPS without DLSS.
I really hope further work will be done in the future to get more optimisations and allow similar results at least, but I doubt.

Latvian Hitman · Jan 28, 2021

Zehzin said:
Weird that there's no Native 4K/30 mode with no raytracing and reduced stuff. Maybe the 60 fps mode is good enough that it wouldn't make such a difference like in Demons Souls

Native 4K on the PC even without RT is very demanding. Can't quite remember on the old 2080ti I played it on, but it seems like it wouldn't maintain a solid 30 without dips below at native 4k. Maybe I'm misremembering, as I opted for DLSS very quickly. Very demanding game, though.

Fuchsia · Jan 28, 2021

This game was killer. Can't believe it ran on last gen at all haha.

Highly recommend it to anyone even remotely on the fence!

Kschreck · Jan 28, 2021

PLASTICA-MAN said:
I fully agree and I am very surprised RTX 2060 SUPER manages to get all maxed out settings + all RT effects in 1440p running at 30 FPS without DLSS.
I really hope further work will be done in the future to get more optimisations and allow similar results at least, but I doubt.

Yeah this is why I'm so surprised. I expected a lot more from Remedy.

PLASTICA-MAN · Jan 28, 2021

Kschreck said:
Yeah this is why I'm so surprised. I expected a lot more from Remedy.

Tbh they said a small team focusing on this. So it seems they didn't have enough manpower to achieve what they did on a full scale game with this port. I still hope the game will get future updates to increase stuff though. I tweeted them. i hope they will treat us.

leng jai · Jan 28, 2021

Lord Error said:
Are there some good videos showing the RT difference in the game? I remember seeing some DF video about it, and no matter how much they were excited about the RT, it didn't really look all that different to me. Definitely didn't seem worth halving the framerate at least, especially since 30FPS in this game feels pretty bad, even when it's holding a steady 30FPS.
What I mean by that, is that camera acceleration and type of motion blur they use make the framerate feel worse than it could be, if they handled this kind of thing better, like the Spiderman or TLOU2 do for example. There I would simply forget that the game is running at 30FPS as soon as I'd start playing. In Control I was constantly being reminded that something is off.

There's a massive difference with full effects on. If anything it's too much because all the floors look like they're polished 24/7 with how reflective they are.

Volkama · Jan 28, 2021

Lord Error said:
Are there some good videos showing the RT difference in the game? I remember seeing some DF video about it, and no matter how much they were excited about the RT, it didn't really look all that different to me.

You can probably find a video of raytracing on a PC, but apparently on consoles there will be a simpler implementation. Remedy has only shown this short video so far.

Joe White · Jan 28, 2021

PLASTICA-MAN said:
I fully agree and I am very surprised RTX 2060 SUPER manages to get all maxed out settings + all RT effects in 1440p running at 30 FPS without DLSS.
I really hope further work will be done in the future to get more optimisations and allow similar results at least, but I doubt.

Nvidia cards have easier time with Control than their AMD counterparts

AMD RX 6800 and 6800 XT review: ray-tracing performance

Digital Foundry review the AMD RX 6800 and 6800 XT, the first two Big Navi cards to arrive. Game benchmarks, Smart Acce…

www.eurogamer.net

So I'm not surprised with these results, as Control is demanding game (well those RTX 2060 SUPER results seems little off).

daninthemix · Jan 28, 2021

Latvian Hitman said:
Native 4K on the PC even without RT is very demanding. Can't quite remember on the old 2080ti I played it on, but it seems like it wouldn't maintain a solid 30 without dips below at native 4k. Maybe I'm misremembering, as I opted for DLSS very quickly. Very demanding game, though.

Yeah incredibly demanding. I think I played at 1080p on my 2080Ti so I could max out RT, because it looked amazing and back then I didn't like the DLSS artifacts.

Now that it has DLSS 2.0 I'd certainly use that.

Xeonidus · Jan 28, 2021

Never played this so I'm excited for the PS5 version on plus. Graphical updates seem fine but I'm more excited for dualsense and card features. Hope they're implemented well.

Decarb · Jan 28, 2021

Uzupedro said:
Separated.
https://support.505games.com/hc/en-...ver-from-Xbox-One-PS4-to-Xbox-Series-X-S-PS5-

This sucks balls. I was at Astray Maze when I stopped playing and wanted to continue on next-gen. No way I'm playing all the way through to reach it again. I'll probably finish it in BC mode.

Thomas Puha · Jan 28, 2021

Uzupedro said:
From 505's support page: https://support.505games.com/hc/en-...Edition-on-PlayStation-5-and-Xbox-Series-X-S-

On par with expectations I guess, it is a demanding game.

Literally a typo, thats on me. Its 1440p in both modes.

Performance Mode
·Targets 60fps performance with 1440p render resolution and 4K output
Graphics Mode
·Targets 30fps performance with ray tracing (transparency and reflections) at 1440p render resolution and 4K output

Hermii · Jan 28, 2021

digitalrelic said:
I also feel like Remedy games tend to have hardware requirements that are difficult to justify when seeing what's actually being output on screen. Quantum Break also had pretty terrible performance and super high system requirements.

Don't get me wrong, their games are BEAUTIFUL. But we've seen games like Gears 5 Hivebusters, Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Demon's Souls, etc.. all looking just as, if not more beautiful, at higher framerates and higher resolutions.

Oh well. Still can't wait to play this on Series X.

Unfair comparison though, as all those are first party.

Deleted member 30077 · Jan 28, 2021

PLASTICA-MAN said:
I fully agree and I am very surprised RTX 2060 SUPER manages to get all maxed out settings + all RT effects in 1440p running at 30 FPS without DLSS.
I really hope further work will be done in the future to get more optimisations and allow similar results at least, but I doubt.

An average of 29.5 fps is really not anywhere close to locked 30fps most likely. In fact it's probably well below what you'd need for locked 30fps. There are places where my 3060Ti drops down to 42 fps at 1080p with all RT settings & no DLSS, but my average framerate is probably above 60fps.

Firmus_Anguis · Jan 28, 2021

Thomas Puha said:
Literally a typo, thats on me. Its 1440p in both modes.

Performance Mode
·Targets 60fps performance with 1440p render resolution and 4K output
Graphics Mode
·Targets 30fps performance with ray tracing (transparency and reflections) at 1440p render resolution and 4K output

Uzupedro, threadmark this OP!

EDIT: On a side-note, ya'll should update the game to somehow read older save files. We know it's possible.

DuvalDevil · Jan 28, 2021

Bought Control UE in the last sale and still wait for the patch to drop. I am super excited to finally play it and see those shiny next-gen graphics. Not gonna lie, little bit disappointed with those resolution numbers. I expected at least 1440p in the RT mode.

DanteAlighieri · Jan 28, 2021

DuvalDevil said:
Bought Control UE in the last sale and still wait for the patch to drop. I am super excited to finally play it and see those shiny next-gen graphics. Not gonna lie, little bit disappointed with those resolution numbers. I expected at least 1440p in the RT mode.

It is 1440p, it was a typo.

Stooge · Jan 28, 2021

I really wish there was a save import feature :/

Lord Error · Jan 28, 2021

leng jai said:
There's a massive difference with full effects on. If anything it's too much because all the floors look like they're polished 24/7 with how reflective they are.

I've rewatched Alex's video on DF, and I think the most obvious difference are the vertical glass surfaces which look kind of grayed out when RT is off, and transparent and reflective when it's on. Floors already have some kind of SSR and cone traced reflections, but the vertical glass has none with RT off. Since they clearly had to pick and choose what to implement here, they really chose well to implement opacity and reflections, because other effects are not as in-your-face obvious.

BobbeMalle · Jan 28, 2021

Yeah i'll take the 60 fps at 1440p thanks, not gonna bother with RT as of now.

Stooge said:
I really wish there was a save import feature :/

Also this, so much this.

DuvalDevil · Jan 28, 2021

DanteAlighieri said:
It is 1440p, it was a typo.

Oh. OH. Much better. Thanks for the info! Now I have to decide between 60 FPS and Raytracing. Damn!

John Frost · Jan 28, 2021

In for the performance mode.

Helix · Jan 28, 2021

can't wait to finally play this game

fanboy · Jan 28, 2021

So the devs cant get old gen games to run at 4K60FPS on next gen hardware with RT?

So the true next gen games wont be able to run at 4060FPS even without RT?

Patitoloco · Jan 28, 2021

fanboy said:
So the devs cant get old gen games to run at 4K60FPS on next gen hardware with RT?

So the true next gen games wont be able to run at 4060FPS even without RT?

Not even a 3080 can, not sure why anyone expected these consoles to do it.

Firmus_Anguis · Jan 28, 2021

fanboy said:
So the devs cant get old gen games to run at 4K60FPS on next gen hardware with RT?

So the true next gen games wont be able to run at 4060FPS even without RT?

You don't seem to realise how demanding RT actually is... It's a miracle we have it at all on consoles.

I'm sure devs will figure things out as the gen progresses. RE:Village was 4K/60 (probably reconstructed 4K, but really well done) with RT reflections. But Control is doing more with its RT-implementation.

leng jai · Jan 28, 2021

Remedy games almost always have advanced rendering techniques but the image quality is usually lacking. Alan Wake's volumetric lighting and fog to this day still look crazy on PC. Both Control and Quantum Break have grainy looking IQ and pretty severe colour banding issues.

fanboy said:
So the devs cant get old gen games to run at 4K60FPS on next gen hardware with RT?

So the true next gen games wont be able to run at 4060FPS even without RT?

If anything Control was a "next gen" game forced to run on old gen. The physics and ray tracing is beyond pretty much anything else I've seen.

lemmykoopah · Jan 28, 2021

So are people whining to Microsoft about the ultimate edition being on Ps Plus but not on gamepass?

Nuclear Muffin · Jan 28, 2021

That's a very underwhelming bump.

They really couldn't do any better than the XboneX version at twice the FPS?

nampad · Jan 28, 2021

Doesn't sound as good as I had hoped. Just graphically wise, I would probably be served better by playing it on Geforce Now.

Those triggers in a shooter though...

nolifebr · Jan 28, 2021

So ray tracing eats more or less 30fps since both modes are rendered at 1440p. Did Remedy ever used some "upscaling" method (outside DLSS) like temporal injection, checkerboard and etc?

JhOnNY_HD · Jan 28, 2021

RT mode for me thanks.

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