Counterpart |OT| A parallel reality sci-fi espionage thriller w/ JK Simmons, Starz, starts 1/21

Oct 25, 2017
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I really enjoyed the show. Kind of bummed that it got cancelled but if it has to end there at least it managed to end on a pretty conclusive note. Totally saw the end twist coming as soon as that scene started. My only regret is that good Howard and good Emily didn't end up together.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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My only regret is that good Howard and good Emily didn't end up together.
I think its ambiguous. Or at least there's wiggle room enough for you to interpret that the Howards switched again. The insinuation that the 'dark' Howard made a new deal that he should've a long time ago, and the long look Temple gives the supposedly widowed Howard at the end. I'm going to assume they switched.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It's mind-boggling that they would rush the finale like this after spending a whole season doing nothing with its best characters. This season is a credit to Harry Lloyd's charisma because it single-handedly kept it on life support.

I would have loved another season 1, but this show became so aimless, the cancellation turned out to be a blessing. Halfway through this season most of its characters were left with nothing to do, while the rest actively tried to get away from being involved in the story. This cast simply couldn't support another season.

My headcannon states that the Howards switched again.
I'm pretty sure that's just regular old canon. The Howard walking through the crossing kept awkwardly looking back towards the door and Howard Prime talks about suddenly coming up with a "better deal," which clearly wasn't anything official.
It's a cute gimmick, but I'm not a fan of Howard suddenly deciding that he would like to exchange his Emily for the other model. Anna would be a much more consistent reason for him to cross to the other side, but she kinda disappeared from the story a few eps back.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I think its ambiguous. Or at least there's wiggle room enough for you to interpret that the Howards switched again. The insinuation that the 'dark' Howard made a new deal that he should've a long time ago, and the long look Temple gives the supposedly widowed Howard at the end. I'm going to assume they switched.
Somehow I didn't see these signs but I like it. Let's go with that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Suddenly? Their relationship had been budding for some time. It was obvious he had fallen for her when he hesitated on returning to his own world.
Yeah, that's when the sudden change happened. He also immediately started talking differently about Emily Alpha when he got shot because they were setting things up for the finale.

I wonder how that was a better deal for Nadia though. She built her bond with Prime, not Alpha Howard.
Their bond wasn't exactly friendship. She's with a Howard who knows how to be a human being, that seems like a pretty nice deal.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I didn't notice any false notes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly, my biggest issue with how it was handled was the timing of it all. The choice itself makes sense, but it needed time to breathe and they went through the choice, an explosive solution, the aftermath and moved on from it in a single episode. That's really not how things used to work on this show.
 
Nov 4, 2017
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I hadn't considered the switcharoo while watching the finale, but after reading the comments I could see how it is a possibility. When Howard Prime mentioned to Baldwin he made a "better deal", I took it as he no longer wanted to stay in the Alpha world and just wanted to go back home after everything that happened. That he should have left a long time ago. Yet, him giving Howard Alpha a chance to reunite with Emily works as well.

I thought the finale was really satisfying for the most part and wrapped up the big threads. I do really hope the show is able to find another home to continue.

Justin Marks talking about the finale.
https://www.tvguide.com/news/counterpart-season-2-finale-justin-marks-interview/
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I think its ambiguous. Or at least there's wiggle room enough for you to interpret that the Howards switched again. The insinuation that the 'dark' Howard made a new deal that he should've a long time ago, and the long look Temple gives the supposedly widowed Howard at the end. I'm going to assume they switched.
just finished watching, yeah i agree
howard OG would still be grieving, but this one was like smiling and shit to naya, it just feels weird
totally didn't see yanek though, goddamn mira
reaaaaaally hope amazon or netflix buys this
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Sooooooo, I was reading Nazanin Boniadi's wiki (she plays Clare, that's Peter Quayle's wife, they have the two-world baby, their daughter Spencer), and this is just nuts:

On May 10, 2017, American journalist Tony Ortega reported on FBI testimony that Boniadi had given in January 2010 regarding her brief relationship with actor Tom Cruise from late 2004 until early 2005 through the Church of Scientology. Boniadi's testimony describes how the church's Office of Special Affairs selected her to be Cruise's girlfriend. In October 2004, Nazanin Boniadi was volunteering for the Office of Special Affairs in Los Angeles, then was told by church official Greg Wilhere that she had been selected for a special project. Boniadi was told that her dental braces had to be removed and that her red hair highlights had to be corrected to one all-over colour. She was also encouraged to end her relationship with her longtime boyfriend. Boniadi had to sign a confidentiality agreement, stating she could not abandon this special project without the church's approval. Approximately one month later, after the church arranged for her to fly to New York, she learned that the project was to be a suitable girlfriend for Cruise. Portions of Boniadi's testimony read that "at the beginning of the relationship [he] was very romantic but as the relationship progressed [Cruise] began to have temper tantrums. [Cruise] began to show violent tendencies". In January 2005, after their relationship ended, Boniadi confessed her devastation over the matter to her friend (a fellow church member). She was reportedly punished for this by Church of Scientology's policies. She reportedly "had to dig ditches at midnight and scrub floor tiles ... She was placed on a curfew... escorted everywhere she went". Her testimony also refers to her "feel[ing] she was a victim of white slavery because she traveled across state lines under false pretences".

In 2017, she tweeted congratulations to Leah Remini and Mike Rinder on their series Scientology and the Aftermath winning an Emmy Award. In an interview with the Los Angeles Times Boniadi described her role in Counterpart as cathartic and therapeutic, saying "sometimes there are personal traumas that you don't ever talk about publicly but you pour it into your work". She continued: "this idea of shedding indoctrination and finding out who you are for me is a strong one. It has been extremely therapeutic for me to be able to put it out into the world through my art as opposed to openly discussing it."
She's playing herself!
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Sooooooo, I was reading Nazanin Boniadi's wiki (she plays Clare, that's Peter Quayle's wife, they have the two-world baby, their daughter Spencer), and this is just nuts:



She's playing herself!
It's also briefly touched on in the documentary Going Clear, it's a wrenching story. She's a fantastic actress, here and in Homeland a little while back (of the things I've seen her in!).
 
Oct 25, 2017
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New Jersey
I hadn't considered the switcharoo while watching the finale, but after reading the comments I could see how it is a possibility. When Howard Prime mentioned to Baldwin he made a "better deal", I took it as he no longer wanted to stay in the Alpha world and just wanted to go back home after everything that happened. That he should have left a long time ago. Yet, him giving Howard Alpha a chance to reunite with Emily works as well.

I thought the finale was really satisfying for the most part and wrapped up the big threads. I do really hope the show is able to find another home to continue.

Justin Marks talking about the finale.
https://www.tvguide.com/news/counterpart-season-2-finale-justin-marks-interview/
In reading that interview, it seemed like the creator planned for there to be one or two more arcs in different locations away from Berlin for future seasons - this reminds me of the trajectory for previous shows Carnivale and The Knick, both of which were cancelled after 2 seasons and end on a conclusive note but also had creators saying they wanted to expand the show into completely new realms and locations for future seasons if possible

personally I don't know if i even want to see the future version of Counterpart in some other location, I was satisfied with these two seasons as they are
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I kinda feel like I wanted this show to be more a spy/sci fi show and it ended up being a romantic drama. Possibly not fair, and there's always been that undercurrent from the beginning but it seemed to lean in hard in the last two.

Oh well, glad things got mostly resolved but I didn't find any of it really that satisfying nor would I really recommend the show to anyone. At least it started out very ambitious I guess.

What the show really makes me think about doing is rewatching Fringe and 12 Monkeys, both of which tackled similar subjects I thought far, far more gripping.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I have a theory about the ending, is anyone else discussing this?

I came away from the finale fairly convinced that Howard Prime is the one who returned to the other side and will pursue a relationship with the living Emily and her daughter.

I believe the other Howard is the one who wants out of this life and he personally feels like his family deserves the better version of him on their side.

But I guess we'll never know. Seems they left it open enough for a Season 3 but I think if they'd been resigned to Season 2 being the last the above theory would have been confirmed in the finale.

For now, that's my head canon. The ending is just too bleak otherwise.
 
Nov 4, 2017
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I have a theory about the ending, is anyone else discussing this?

I came away from the finale fairly convinced that Howard Prime is the one who returned to the other side and will pursue a relationship with the living Emily and her daughter.

I believe the other Howard is the one who wants out of this life and he personally feels like his family deserves the better version of him on their side.

But I guess we'll never know. Seems they left it open enough for a Season 3 but I think if they'd been resigned to Season 2 being the last the above theory would have been confirmed in the finale.

For now, that's my head canon. The ending is just too bleak otherwise.
Check out the comments on this pg and the previous one, where your theory is speculated. Many feel that could indeed be the case.