Well this is part one of a two part season finale. We are getting at least one more season since the show had a two season order. Plus they have already announced new cast members for next season.
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Counterpart |OT| A parallel reality sci-fi espionage thriller w/ JK Simmons, Starz, starts 1/21
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Well this is part one of a two part season finale. We are getting at least one more season since the show had a two season order. Plus they have already announced new cast members for next season.
My only guess is that they weren't targeting people so much as positions. Maybe they were killing off so many key people that the entire system would be weakened, or that they could attempt to fill these positions with random spies from their side, and that there's just so many spaces to fill that its impossible to vet everyone.
thats not quales dad, that's the (real) wife's dad. Quales father-in-law
I really hope the finale is something because that terrorist "plan" was the worst terrorist plot I have ever seen in a movie or TV. Scooby Doo villains had better plans. Yes, I understand the implications but its really hard to take it that serious when the simple solution to any big problem is: "lets just wall up the passage"
I really liked the first 4-5 episodes but the last 2-3 have been just spinning in circles, its gone from an interesting sci fi setup to a show that sort of wants to be a drama but isn't very good at it, and doesn't really think through the sci fi elements much either. At this point I'm just watching good actors acting with each other but not much material.
I really liked the first 4-5 episodes but the last 2-3 have been just spinning in circles, its gone from an interesting sci fi setup to a show that sort of wants to be a drama but isn't very good at it, and doesn't really think through the sci fi elements much either. At this point I'm just watching good actors acting with each other but not much material.
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Wonder what the point was with trying to get to the border. Eh, at least all three assholes are dead.
I'm bummed about the wait. That's an odd scheduling choice unless I'm missing something.
There's lots to resolve in the second part of the finale. The attack plan certainly took out large swathes of the intelligence office, but the deliberate move to get back to the border along with sparing Clare's dad has me scratching my head. Was the office massacre only a secondary goal concealing something bigger?
Sounds like Clare survived the crash and presumably Peter did, as well.
There's lots to resolve in the second part of the finale. The attack plan certainly took out large swathes of the intelligence office, but the deliberate move to get back to the border along with sparing Clare's dad has me scratching my head. Was the office massacre only a secondary goal concealing something bigger?
Sounds like Clare survived the crash and presumably Peter did, as well.
The three spies weren't shooting randomly, the redhead walked right by a full conference table to pick off one guy who got up and started to run.
I'm not sure it's been explicitly stated in this thread, but I truly expected a retaliatory virus attack from the infiltration.
I'm not sure it's been explicitly stated in this thread, but I truly expected a retaliatory virus attack from the infiltration.
I assume the plan is
Make it look like an all out attack from "the other side", having at least one guy try to return makes it look like a sanctioned attack. That would trigger either the passage way being shut down or some sort of retaliation.
I think thats a terrible plan so I'm hoping there is more to it, like Cornballer said maybe a ruse to hide a secondary attack but the problem as the viewer is we've only been shown: 3 people slipped over to replace their doubles, ALL of whom worked in the office which is a bit insane. It would kind of suck if it turns out there was another plot that we never saw a single hint about. The assassin also mentions only 4 targets, the 3 doubles plus Howard's wife.
The line "we can't touch him, he's in no mans land" was also really weird. I 100% expected him to to detonate a suicide vest down there.
I think thats a terrible plan so I'm hoping there is more to it, like Cornballer said maybe a ruse to hide a secondary attack but the problem as the viewer is we've only been shown: 3 people slipped over to replace their doubles, ALL of whom worked in the office which is a bit insane. It would kind of suck if it turns out there was another plot that we never saw a single hint about. The assassin also mentions only 4 targets, the 3 doubles plus Howard's wife.
The line "we can't touch him, he's in no mans land" was also really weird. I 100% expected him to to detonate a suicide vest down there.
I'm pretty sure that the doors will have to be closed regardless. The entire immigration department got wiped.
Also, they were pretty incompetent at shooting, geez.
Also, they were pretty incompetent at shooting, geez.
It could be as simple as Claire becoming attached to her "father" since she lost her parents on the other side. Maybe she gave instructions to not kill him since it wouldn't make much difference to the overall plan.
Show creator Justin Marks sent out a link to this short column from the New Yorker regarding the Berlin Wall and noted that it's background reading for the finale.
This show looks damn interesting and some of the reactions here in the thread really intrigue me. I think I'm gonna give it a go. See you guys in a couple of days (hopefully)!
I'm 4 episodes in and so far I'm thoroughly enjoying it. To be honest, I didn't know what quite to expect, but I'm in love with the tone and atmosphere of the show - there's a pervasive feeling of confusion, of powerlessness, you don't know everything that's going on, the more you know the more questions you have. Usually these shows are stressful because you roughly know what's at stake (there's a bomb, there's a terrorist plot that involves this or that faction...), but in this one the main characters are pretty much out of the loop and they're trying to figure out what the hell is going on - which is even more stressful. I also love the way this show shows you little pieces of the larger puzzle - "our" Howard and his slow ascent up the chain, letting us in on their work; the movie scene; the embassy; the diplomatic negotiation. It's all very well done, they are nailing the exposition moments.
They took a one week break in the middle of the two-part finale. Episode 10 (part 2 of the finale) is on Sunday.
Season 1 finale part 2 is on Easter Sunday, then it'll be off until next January.
I mean yeah, you'd have to be either really dense or really ignorant to miss the almost sledgehammer like subtlety of the show to this point.
Then again, I was at the store getting a few things earlier and the "can't sell cigs by x date" sign said fucking March of 2000....both making me feel old then and making me realize now that there's a whole load of people that have absolutely zero institutional, cultural, or historical memory of the cold war.
So yeah, I can give the show runners--and The Americans too while we're at it--some props for reminding people who can fucking /vote/ at this point in time of the horrors of that period in history.
Saw it on the DVR
really keeping it very vague, all around. They built up to something potentially good, and then the 2nd part is basically: wait for next season
Poor bastard, Original Howard.
Quales is still weak.
Best part was the introduction to "management".
Poor bastard, Original Howard.
Quales is still weak.
Best part was the introduction to "management".
Loved the first season overall, even though the finale fell a bit flat for me after last week's episode -- very vague and very little movement / resolution. I hope they have a decent idea where they are going with this instead of starting to pile mystery onto mystery. Management felt a little bit too Lost-y for me.
Yeah Management was very much in Lost territory for me, they better be giant fucking squids or something to justify this ridiculous setup.
I enjoyed the show and it was a pleasure to watch the actors but it felt like a 10 episode season that could have easily told the same story in 4-5 episodes. A little annoyed at how many times this episode people just wander in and out of places that should have much better protection.
I enjoyed the show and it was a pleasure to watch the actors but it felt like a 10 episode season that could have easily told the same story in 4-5 episodes. A little annoyed at how many times this episode people just wander in and out of places that should have much better protection.
It was a solid finale but I think it was hurt somewhat by the fact that Starz delayed it by a week. As a result, I had some trouble remembering what happened in the last episode.
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I actually re-watched the first part right before the finale.
I might've done that too, but I had too many other shows to get to!
^^^^ True. It's a struggle to get through all the stuff I watch in any given week, having time to re-watch stuff is a pipe dream.
So do we think that the Indigo plan was to instigate war between the two sides due to committing a terrorist attack on our side and then retreating back to the other?
I feel like that theory works up until you raise the issue of them specifically killing certain people in the office and leaving others alive. It might just be that they're protecting Claire and her position by leaving the Diplomat alive, as Quail would be less useful without his father-in-law, but I feel like there's something more at play there.
I'm also really surprised they offed Alexander Pope. And so unceremoniously too!
I feel like that theory works up until you raise the issue of them specifically killing certain people in the office and leaving others alive. It might just be that they're protecting Claire and her position by leaving the Diplomat alive, as Quail would be less useful without his father-in-law, but I feel like there's something more at play there.
I'm also really surprised they offed Alexander Pope. And so unceremoniously too!