Crackdown 3 Campaign High-Bitrate Footage Shows Superb Image Quality

pswii60 · Feb 8, 2019

I thought the whole point of the cloud destruction in MP is so that everyone on any platform will share the exact same experience and world. If destruction is done using local physics then the destructed world could differ slightly for each player, which would mess everything up.

It's not just for fancy looking destruction graphics.

That said, I didn't enjoy the MP test at all. But the campaign looks a million times better.

Bradbatross · Feb 8, 2019

Apophis said:
Snoopy, nice. One one the worst and toxic Xbox fanboys on twitter. Good call.

Do you think he edited the footage to mislead people?

Xumbrega · Feb 8, 2019

I can't wait to play the hell of this shit.

Klobrille · Feb 8, 2019

Apophis said:
Snoopy, nice. One one the worst and toxic Xbox fanboys on twitter. Good call.

What has this to do with factual footage directly from the game? Oh man.

Iwao · Feb 8, 2019

No, nobody is trolling when they say it looks like a last gen game. The truth behind that is that you simply don't like how that sentiment sounds when a new anticipated release is on the horizon. Breath of the Wild did, The Last Guardian did. How could anyone reasonably deny that they don't? Visuals do matter, but what matters more is the execution of an idea.

SuikerBrood · Feb 8, 2019

Apophis said:
Snoopy, nice. One one the worst and toxic Xbox fanboys on twitter. Good call.

I agree. I'm already sorry for posting his Twitter. I just don't know how to download twitter videos.

ShapeGSX · Feb 8, 2019

Jasper said:
Image quality hasn't been my main concern with Crackdown 3, but rather I feel like the city doesn't look exciting to explore. The game seems to be more about facilitating the action rather than facilitating exploration, which is fine, but not my thing. Agents of Mayhem got that same criticism levelled at it, so I wonder what those better informed can tell us about the world of Crackdown 3.

What exactly gives you that impression? Action vs exploration? Crackdown 1 was incredible to explore. This looks very similar in that respect.

Deleted member 268 · Feb 8, 2019

1.21Gigawatts said:
Yeah, but thats kinda my point. Because this game has been advertised as a technical showcase early on and because this game comes out in an environment where Xbox's marketing focusses a lot on power (and by extension that means visuals), because of all that the game is faced with unfair expectations towards its visuals. And in return its met with exaggerated negative statements about its visuals, because thats how things work in this day and age apparently, stuff is either great or shit.
Its an average looking game, definitely not showing any AAA production values when it comes to visuals, and thats okay. It would be a non-issue for most games.
But not for Crackdown 3...

Crackdown 3 was never touted to be a visual showcase.

It's always been a showcase for cloud computing, and it's delivered on that promise.

However you would define AAA, it's wrong. This is 100% AAA.

Iwao said:
No, nobody is trolling when they say it looks like a last gen game. The truth behind that is that you simply don't like how that sentiment sounds when a new anticipated release is on the horizon. Breath of the Wild did, The Last Guardian did. How could anyone reasonably deny that they don't? Visuals do matter, but what matters more is the execution of an idea.

The notion that CD3 looks like a last gen game visually is nothing short of hyperbole and it's blatant why certain posters keep repeating that nonsense.

It's getting really tiring.

PopcornMegaphone · Feb 8, 2019

Apophis said:
Snoopy, nice. One one the worst and toxic Xbox fanboys on twitter. Good call.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

space_nut · Feb 8, 2019

PopcornMegaphone said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Oh great here comes the name calling next! lol

Force_XXI · Feb 8, 2019

Whats up with all the shit posters and this game, people are fucking toxic

KORNdog · Feb 8, 2019

It's got good IQ. But I would expect no less for a game that is about as detailed as agents of mayhem.

The world needs populating with more...stuff. it all feels freakishly clinical and empty.

modestb · Feb 8, 2019

More and more this game makes me think of it as Saints Row 4-2

And I mean that as a genuine compliment.

Splader · Feb 8, 2019

Apophis said:
Snoopy, nice. One one the worst and toxic Xbox fanboys on twitter. Good call.

Again with the goal post shifting. Look at the video itself please.

DrDeckard · Feb 8, 2019

I'm so happy! it looks amazing!

Atisha · Feb 8, 2019

They can't literally mean what they say, because to put up a comparison shot between Crackdown 1 side by side with Crackdown 3, well that would be proof positive. The world is richer, denser, and more elaboratly arranged. This is clear to see. The volume, the luminesece, the color palate, the effects, the sparks, it harkens to the earlier games, but it is, as plain as day, vastly improved.

So when a person says "game looks last gen" what that person is really saying is that they don't like the aesthetic - the art style.
But saying i don't like art style isn't nearly as snarky as saying "looks last gen."

They are also being incredibly rude, juvenile, and insulting to what i imagine are team of hard working, you know - actual people.

Deleted member 51248 · Feb 8, 2019

Love Crackdown. Looking forward to renewing gamepass to try the new one, If I like it, will maybe get it permanently when buying new games is more viable for me.

The Albatross · Feb 8, 2019

Looks much better than I was expecting.

Also a Destiny/Anthem like game with this gameplay loop in a shared environment could make a killing, it seems. Not sure if it'd be for me, but it would be really refreshing.

In terms of this "looking last gen," I think that's ridiculous, but it did stand out to me how desolate the open world is compared to today's open world games. But, to me, that's not the point of a Crackdown game. Crackdown is the essence of a sandbox arcade game, it's not an open world simulator in the same way that a GTAV, RDR2, or even to a lesser extent, Assassins Creed or whatever that game was from Ubi set in CHicago / SF. The aims of the game are just different.

kpaadet · Feb 8, 2019

Splader said:
Also, I 'm sure you've seen this, but if you haven't:

Is it also the power of the cloud that makes the debris look like it falls in slow motion? Then again the buildings look like they were made of styrofoam so maybe that's just working as intended.

B.C. · Feb 8, 2019

SnatcherHunter said:
What?

nvm. You cant change people's mind. Hell, I dig it the most!

Ascenion · Feb 8, 2019

4K and the art style doing the heavy lifting here. To me it's still graphically unimpressive but then every Crackdown has been that way. Game still gonna be fun but it was never a looker.

B.C. · Feb 8, 2019

Rumblebones said:
Crackdown 3 was never touted to be a visual showcase.

It's always been a showcase for cloud computing, and it's delivered on that promise.

However you would define AAA, it's wrong. This is 100% AAA.

The notion that CD3 looks like a last gen game visually is nothing short of hyperbole and it's blatant why certain posters keep repeating that nonsense.

It's getting really tiring.

This

dlauv · Feb 8, 2019

I've been playing Agents of Mayhem, and it really doesn't use the city at all like Crackdown 1, which CD3 is more of. Have naysayers ever dipped into the franchise before? It's more like Saints Row 4, but with the powers toned down a bit to give room for guns and vehicles. Your vehicles evolve the more you use them and gain more powers. You get Hulk jumps for collecting agility orbs, you can start to punch cars and shit for upgrading melee, skills for kills, etc. The leveling system is robust and is measured by how fluidly you're able to traverse the city, which in turn makes the city more memorable. Agents of Mayhem is kind of copy+paste and shallow in that regard. It's fun, but it's clearly focused on its hero shooting elements rather than its open world.

SnatcherHunter · Feb 8, 2019

B.C. said:
nvm. You cant change people's mind. Hell, I dig it the most!

Someone will write books about this one day.

Certinfy · Feb 8, 2019

Holy crap the city looks lifeless as hell.

Oracle · Feb 8, 2019

looks fun, is this on PC day one with crossplay via gamepass?

Theorry · Feb 8, 2019

Oracle said:
looks fun, is this on PC day one with crossplay via gamepass?

Yes game is crossplay/crossbuy.

B.C. · Feb 8, 2019

https://cdn.crackdown.com/crackdown/wrecking-zone-tips.html

Some Pro tips for the next test this coming Sunday.. Pretty informative.

Bradbatross · Feb 8, 2019

B.C. said:
https://cdn.crackdown.com/crackdown/wrecking-zone-tips.html

Some Pro tips for the next test this coming Sunday.. Pretty informative.

This is useful because I couldn't figure out how to ground pound instead of flying fist lol.

Jasper · Feb 8, 2019

ShapeGSX said:
What exactly gives you that impression? Action vs exploration? Crackdown 1 was incredible to explore. This looks very similar in that respect.

KORNdog said:
It's got good IQ. But I would expect no less for a game that is about as detailed as agents of mayhem.

The world needs populating with more...stuff. it all feels freakishly clinical and empty.

This. It's very hard to make a city look lived in, but Crackdown doesn't look like it's even trying.

jem · Feb 8, 2019

Apophis said:
The same goes for crackdown. It's nowhere near the first footage and it's impossible to destroy the whole building, foundation can't be destroyed.

Memory Refresh

https://youtu.be/EWANLy9TjRc

Reality check:

jem said:
"The destruction is pretty fantastic:

Jasper said:
This. It's very hard to make a city look lived in, but Crackdown doesn't look like it's even trying.

That's not really the intention. The world is meant to be a playground, not a immersive simulation.

Deleted member 18951 · Feb 8, 2019

Iwao said:
No, nobody is trolling when they say it looks like a last gen game. The truth behind that is that you simply don't like how that sentiment sounds when a new anticipated release is on the horizon. Breath of the Wild did, The Last Guardian did. How could anyone reasonably deny that they don't? Visuals do matter, but what matters more is the execution of an idea.

So you think it looks like a 360 game?

Remo Williams · Feb 8, 2019

Clive said:
Reminds me a bit of Sunset Overdrive with those sharp, vibrant colors and futuristic feel. Looks good.

That's precisely it, and from what I've seen, it's also filled with cool street art, just like sunset Overdrive. Some of the concept artists that worked on the look of Crackdown 3 also worked on things like Ghost in the Shell film, and Gravity Rush 2, and it's not hard to see that influence as well.

MosquitoSmasher said:
You mean how in the previous games enemies would get thrown backwards more when you punched and kicked them? That definitely seems toned down compared to that. The game is crazy, so I would like for baddies to start flying when I kick them.

That was always dependent on the strength stat. I don't think we've seen any gameplay footage of a maxed out Agent yet, even the journalists at the recent preview event apparently didn't play with maxed out Agents.

ModularBen said:
Small detail - have we seen any impact damage from an agent falling in any of the trailers or footage? In the first game when an agent lands from a high fall there is a very satisfying impact crunch on the floor and a texture alpha swap.

Again a thing that was dependent on the strength stat, and the body mass of an Agent. Although we did see Agent falling from way up high and taking damage upon landing in one of the recent gameplay videos.

The Albatross said:
In terms of this "looking last gen," I think that's ridiculous, but it did stand out to me how desolate the open world is compared to today's open world games. But, to me, that's not the point of a Crackdown game. Crackdown is the essence of a sandbox arcade game, it's not an open world simulator in the same way that a GTAV, RDR2, or even to a lesser extent, Assassins Creed or whatever that game was from Ubi set in CHicago / SF. The aims of the game are just different.

That's spot on, the world is more abstract on purpose, it always has been. At its core Crackdown is in a large part a platformer, and one where fun, compelling platforming takes precedence over grounded realism. Hence all the simplified geometry and the less realistic urban design that's supposed to facilitate fluidity of movement without sacrificing player involvement. In a way it's like Mirror's Edge, not quite reaching the abstraction levels of the first game's DLC courses, but not far from the clinical look of the main campaign's environments.

HughJayNus · Feb 8, 2019

Force_XXI said:
Whats up with all the shit posters and this game, people are fucking toxic

It's not exclusive to Crackdown unfortunately. Although it does seem to be much more prevalent.

lost7 · Feb 8, 2019

Just watched a few videos and it looks very fun.

ThiefofDreams · Feb 8, 2019

I hope this game is good SO much.

SRTtoZ · Feb 8, 2019

I still don't understand why they are touting the cloud. All of those physics can be done on any current gen consoles without the need for online connectivity.

Klobrille · Feb 8, 2019

SuikerBrood · Feb 8, 2019

SRTtoZ said:
I still don't understand why they are touting the cloud. All of those physics can be done on any current gen consoles without the need for online connectivity.

How do we know this? According to Microsoft the compute power that's available for the destruction is equal to twelve Xbox One's.

SRTtoZ · Feb 8, 2019

SuikerBrood said:
How do we know this? According to Microsoft the compute power that's available for the destruction is equal to twelve Xbox One's.

Just based on how unimpressive the destruction is. The demo shown during the reveal was 10x more impressive and you'd think 5 years later the destruction would have gotten better, not demonstratively worse. Look at the gif on the last page. I assume some sort of explosion caused the collapse but everything is falling straight down perfectly. Not impressive to me at all, especially compared to the old demo.

Dyashen · Feb 8, 2019

Klobrille said:

Looks pretty good.

space_nut · Feb 8, 2019

SuikerBrood said:
How do we know this? According to Microsoft the compute power that's available for the destruction is equal to twelve Xbox One's.

I wonder what game has destruction like this game? Without it being pre-calculated/prebaked lol

SuikerBrood · Feb 8, 2019

SRTtoZ said:
Just based on how unimpressive the destruction is. The demo shown during the reveal was 10x more impressive and you'd think 5 years later the destruction would have gotten better, not demonstratively worse. Look at the gif on the last page. I assume some sort of explosion caused the collapse but everything is falling straight down perfectly. Not impressive to me at all, especially compared to the old demo.

You should try the test on sunday. The destruction is really impressive when you are playing.

It isn't as impressive as the tech demo at Gamescom (the developers even said, at that time, it won't be like that in-game) because you have to make a game out of it. Having that detail of destruction in a multiplayer game would require computing power that doesn't make any sense. It would increase the cost, the server load and it would add nothing to the gameplay.

And everything falling down perfectly.. like gravity? ;)

Equanimity · Feb 8, 2019

Does the multiplayer mode run at 60fps on One X?

btags · Feb 8, 2019

kpaadet said:
Is it also the power of the cloud that makes the debris look like it falls in slow motion? Then again the buildings look like they were made of styrofoam so maybe that's just working as intended.

Would you also say that buildings being demolished are falling in slow motion?

Equanimity · Feb 8, 2019

Klobrille said:

Crisp image quality.

Oneself · Feb 8, 2019

Looks quite fun but I wouldn't say it looks good. Looks clean indeed. It's a matter of opinions I guess because I don't really like the art style personally.

Theorry · Feb 8, 2019

Klobrille said:

So clean. Where are these from?

SRTtoZ · Feb 8, 2019

SuikerBrood said:
You should try the test on sunday. The destruction is really impressive when you are playing.

It isn't as impressive as the tech demo at Gamescom (the developers even said, at that time, it won't be like that in-game) because you have to make a game out of it. Having that detail of destruction in a multiplayer game would require computing power that doesn't make any sense. It would increase the cost, the server load and it would add nothing to the gameplay.

And everything falling down perfectly.. like gravity? ;)

When it comes to MP you're probably right but I just meant my reaction to just seeing it in general. I guess to get lots of people to see the exact same destruction scenario it makes things a bit more complicated. That being said destruction has never been a selling point for me. It's always been a 'oh thats neat that it has that' type of bullet point (like Just Cause). And as far as the gravity remark. I think in an 'explosion' like that you would see the debris going different directions and having a sort of domino effect.

SuikerBrood · Feb 8, 2019

SRTtoZ said:
When it comes to MP you're probably right but I just meant my reaction to just seeing it in general. I guess to get lots of people to see the exact same destruction scenario it makes things a bit more complicated. That being said destruction has never been a selling point for me. It's always been a 'oh thats neat that it has that' type of bullet point (like Just Cause).

We are talking about MP right? There is no destruction (not via the cloud, that is) in the singleplayer.

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