Prior to the scenes removal, the game had you
shoot yourself in the face, and later jump off of a building
Link: https://store.steampowered.com/news...=103582791458380802&emgid=2992063678829322336
SUPER
HOT
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Creators of SUPERHOT VR remove all depictions of self-harm from the game
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Prior to the scenes removal, the game had you
Link: https://store.steampowered.com/news...=103582791458380802&emgid=2992063678829322336
SUPER
HOT
SUPER
HOT
If old
Feels like it should be an optional thing to toggle on (rather than on previously being the default, or being removed entirely) - but hey, it's their game.
It made sense in the context of the story but there's nothing but positives for them doing this change. I personally liked it, but I can see how this can have a negative impact in people (and you never want this kind of negative impact). Great devs, I'm so glad the initial demo got such a good reaction. Their lives could have been so different if it didnt catch the fire it did.
I'm going to bet... 20+ pages and a lock for this one?
Ultimately not something I'm a fan of - I like those sorts of scenes, and though I haven't played the VR version, I'd have liked to experience them that way, and it's a bummer I won't be able to without, I dunno, rolling back to a prior update or something.
Ultimately not something I'm a fan of - I like those sorts of scenes, and though I haven't played the VR version, I'd have liked to experience them that way, and it's a bummer I won't be able to without, I dunno, rolling back to a prior update or something.
Um, what.
I have the game, but haven't played it yet.
Anyways, should have been a toggle instead of simply removing it.
I have the game, but haven't played it yet.
Anyways, should have been a toggle instead of simply removing it.
Honestly not sure how I feel about this. I totally understand having a toggle to skip disturbing scenes, that sounds like a great idea. Even a trigger warning at the start could be good. But, the scenes do feel like they have a point in the context of the theme and story of the game.
But it's their game, they can do what they want. Good on them if they were uncomfortable and wanted it removed, can't judge them.
This line honestly feels to me that they are being sarcastic or doing this to stir up emotions, but could just be a harmless language quirk.
But it's their game, they can do what they want. Good on them if they were uncomfortable and wanted it removed, can't judge them.
This line honestly feels to me that they are being sarcastic or doing this to stir up emotions, but could just be a harmless language quirk.
Not really a fan to be honest. Wish they'd just changed the toggle so that it defaults to off, and make you manually enable it if you wanted to see it. Removing it entirely is kind of lame.
Their game and their choice though. If they felt it didn't fit with what they wanted, then that's their choice.
Their game and their choice though. If they felt it didn't fit with what they wanted, then that's their choice.
I don't know how I feel about them completely removing these scenes considering they already had a toggle. But then again I've never played the game so I trust the people who made it to understand the context and necessity of disturbing content over my own.
While I personally really enjoyed the rooftop leap sequence, I can appreciate that it's a potentially strong trigger for many and that making the experience more accessible to those struggling with trauma is a good move.
I would prefer if they stuck with a toggle but it's their game, their choice.
I would prefer if they stuck with a toggle but it's their game, their choice.
Leave it as an option. Removing it outright does no one any favors. It's fixing a problem that doesn't need fixing.
So long as it's optional, and you're forced to see the option, everyone gets catered for. Those who want it, and those that don't.
So long as it's optional, and you're forced to see the option, everyone gets catered for. Those who want it, and those that don't.
Yeah, they're Polish so I'm totally willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here considering the accompanying actions.
Not a fan of the wording because it makes it seem like they were pressured into "censoring", but I totally get it. Mental Health for soooo many people over the past year and a half has plummeted. If they don't feel like it's right for their VR game to involve *spoilers* given that, it makes sense.
I wonder if someone on the team, or someone related to someone on the team, has dealt with suicide/self harm and it made them re-evaluate the inclusion.
I wonder if someone on the team, or someone related to someone on the team, has dealt with suicide/self harm and it made them re-evaluate the inclusion.
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Yeah, I agree. This seems a bit too heavy of a reaction to me.
I only remember playing the demo and, how that ended, I get it.
But the toggle option was there for the exact same reason why they decided to take those parts out: so those sensitive to the content can just block it.
They should have left it alone and provided a clearer warning or, as others mentioned, default it.
But the toggle option was there for the exact same reason why they decided to take those parts out: so those sensitive to the content can just block it.
They should have left it alone and provided a clearer warning or, as others mentioned, default it.
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I only played the VR version, and I don't know how different it might have been, but it sort of portrayed it like I wasn't actually committing *self* harm, so much as a remote body or something...
But it is a good thing that they've made this a toggle.
Ah, I misread... it *was* a toggle, and now is fully removed.
But it is a good thing that they've made this a toggle.
Ah, I misread... it *was* a toggle, and now is fully removed.
I get it, but I wish it was handled like the MW2 No Russian mission was by clearly saying it upfront and giving an option to turn it off.
Alas, I'm not a person that this specific change is designed for.
Alas, I'm not a person that this specific change is designed for.
Self harm in VR reminds me of the Inception problem. Can we even allow these mechanics in some hypothetical future where VR is indistinguishable from reality?
For SuperHot they probably decided the artistic statement wasn't worth the potential for harm, and that's valid.
For SuperHot they probably decided the artistic statement wasn't worth the potential for harm, and that's valid.
I get why they would remove it.
Not gonna justify why it should stay in the game (even optionally), ultimately the people making the game make that decision [to clarify: removing potentially harmful content is not an issue, shouldn't be, justifying its existence or necessity of it is where it is fair to criticise]
Not gonna justify why it should stay in the game (even optionally), ultimately the people making the game make that decision [to clarify: removing potentially harmful content is not an issue, shouldn't be, justifying its existence or necessity of it is where it is fair to criticise]
Hmmm. Not so sure about that one. But if you think about it, those moments are intense in a different way from the rest of the game. So removing them alone does widen its appropriateness to much more audience. Specifically younger ones. If it's more focused on considering mental health issues, then I'm sure they really thought about it and the game is clearly their vision. They are free to change that vision, and I don't think outside pressure alone would have changed it.
Was there was some sort of pressure campaign to make this happen? I beat Superhot VR and while it's a bit disturbing, it added to the game for me, personally. That's kind of the vibe the whole game is going for though. I don't know the details of how this change came to be, but I'm not a big fan of art being changed due to public pressure. I'm all for toggles to turn these kinds of things off though.
Reminds me I still have to finish it. Great game but I'm totally consumed by In Death Unchained.
Same here, those moments where hella powerful - not in an emotional way (for me) but in a 'woah this feels crazy - vr tech is insane' way. I am glad they are putting mental health issues first but I somewhat wish they put it behind a toggle which defaulted to being off but could be turned on for those who wished to experience it.
This would be like removing completely that MW2 scene... just leave the toggle without censoring yourself.
Glad to have played it back then on PSVR then.
Glad to have played it back then on PSVR then.
Good choice.
I still get a grossed out whenever I think about Persona 3's "evokers."
Suicide is a serious enough thing that it shouldn't be used as an emotional gimmick for people to go "woah, that was so powerful, it's like I know what it's like to shoot myself in the head now!".
I still get a grossed out whenever I think about Persona 3's "evokers."
Suicide is a serious enough thing that it shouldn't be used as an emotional gimmick for people to go "woah, that was so powerful, it's like I know what it's like to shoot myself in the head now!".
… I'm team "should have been a warning and accompanying toggle", but as a self-harm survivor and VR enthusiast I'm not going to pretend that I enjoyed that stuff. Quite the opposite, it really upset me, and I presume that's what they are working to avoid.
Doing any of that in the spoilers most definitely hits different in VR. I don't blame them erring to the side of caution.
"Skip disturbing scenes" doesn't seem very descriptive when this is about something very specific 🤔
Closest I can think of is
shooting yourself in the back of the head