Critical Role |OT| Is It Thursday Yet?

[killerrin]

Ideally this would all be covered in the campaign wrap up show if it didn't come up in the game. But even then there isn't enough time to cover everything, so a lot of these smaller character moments aren't big enough to warrant being covered. Also, things aren't fresh in the players' minds, so it's a lot of them reading the question, going "oh... is that what happened 70 episodes ago?", and then giving a pretty vague answer/dick joke. It's nice to hear their thoughts on this stuff while it's still at the forefront of their mind.

So I agree I would prefer that this came up during the game, but if they skipped it on Talks and then it never did come up during the main show, then we probably would never get such personalized, insightful coverage of these moments.

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Not to mention, the stuff they did talk about was all stuff that was more or less shut closed and done. Like the thing about Nott using Calebs name accidently. If it didn't come up in the moment just then and there, it would have just never come out because there is no way that would come up naturally in a conversation aside from Sam/Nott remembering she used that fake name and bringing it up in the context of everyone learning of his name.

So in that case, it's a perfectly valid reveal.

 

[timedesk]

Sounds like Talks was really good this week. It's really cool to hear that Sam just coincidentally stumbled onto Caleb's real name. That's such a cool bit of random luck. I'm honestly thinking about signing up for alpha to watch some of the episodes I've missed, but I want to check out if any of their other programing would make it worth the money.

I know over the course of Fjord's arc there were discussions over how selfish or immoral the M9 were becoming. Examples like freeing the water elemental, or raiding the ship obviously come to mind. For some reason one act has been stuck in my head. Did the M9 ever tell Horris's husband where he was? Horris was taken to the swamp by the Gentleman and told to wait until it was safe for him to return to the city. I don't think they ever told Horiss's husband where he was, so he is potentially still living in that swamp town with no money.

I know it's a small detail to pick out in the sea of actions the M9 have taken, but for some reason that one actually bothers me just a little. It feels like they kind of moved on to the next job and forgot about all the loose ends from the last thing they worked on. Part of me imagines if there is ever a time skip Horris will still be in the swamp waiting for the okay to go home.

 

[Wunder]

Sounds like Talks was really good this week. It's really cool to hear that Sam just coincidentally stumbled onto Caleb's real name. That's such a cool bit of random luck. I'm honestly thinking about signing up for alpha to watch some of the episodes I've missed, but I want to check out if any of their other programing would make it worth the money.

I know over the course of Fjord's arc there were discussions over how selfish or immoral the M9 were becoming. Examples like freeing the water elemental, or raiding the ship obviously come to mind. For some reason one act has been stuck in my head. Did the M9 ever tell Horris's husband where he was? Horris was taken to the swamp by the Gentleman and told to wait until it was safe for him to return to the city. I don't think they ever told Horiss's husband where he was, so he is potentially still living in that swamp town with no money.

I know it's a small detail to pick out in the sea of actions the M9 have taken, but for some reason that one actually bothers me just a little. It feels like they kind of moved on to the next job and forgot about all the loose ends from the last thing they worked on. Part of me imagines if there is ever a time skip Horris will still be in the swamp waiting for the okay to go home.

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They met him on the way through the town with Kiri in tow, he was alive and well. I don't remember what his financial situation was but I think he wasn't in abject poverty or something. It's a difficult thing to handle in D&D because a) the party can't split up and b) travel usually takes a lot of time. So putting aside a week or more to travel just to deliver a message personally wouldn't be practical. Jester/Caduceus do have Sending, and they've used it extremely liberally, but they also haven't been back to Zadash so they couldn't safely tell him to return home.

 

[eyeball_kid]

Not to mention, the stuff they did talk about was all stuff that was more or less shut closed and done.

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Not really... all the stuff about Nott's alcoholism and obsession with collecting things being an amplification of her halfling tendencies, that's something that would've been better to come out naturally as Nott opened up more about her past life. That's why I was saying I'm of two minds about it -- it was cool to get the info dump -- I respect how much thought Sam put into Veth's transformation and how that affected her in a grounded way -- but I would've preferred it to come from the character and not the actor.

 

[timedesk]

They met him on the way through the town with Kiri in tow, he was alive and well. I don't remember what his financial situation was but I think he wasn't in abject poverty or something. It's a difficult thing to handle in D&D because a) the party can't split up and b) travel usually takes a lot of time. So putting aside a week or more to travel just to deliver a message personally wouldn't be practical. Jester/Caduceus do have Sending, and they've used it extremely liberally, but they also haven't been back to Zadash so they couldn't safely tell him to return home.

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That all makes a lot of sense. I hope they remember next time they get to Zedash. I would have suggested they use the post system, but with their luck they would be the victims of mail fraud.

 

[Boat Times]

Did anyone watch Matt Colvilles new D&D stream last night? Definitely a different style from Critical Role but I enjoyed it! Also Matt Mercer and Liam showed up in the chat.

 

[FSP]

I recognise your username from the MCDM Discord, haha.

It's a vastly different game, both in style and in structure. I enjoyed it.

 

[Sensei]

it would help if u linked where it was hosted etc

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/372684813

edit: lol this sounds way more aggressive than i intended sorry

 

[eyeball_kid]

A week off next week? Ah man, we just got through withdrawal.

 

[Adnor]

"We spent 3 months searching for your backstory!" lmao

I'm sorry, I had to make this:

 

[Luigi87]

Ack missed the first 20min 'cause I forgot it was Thursday x_x

 

[Dream Machine]

We're joined by a bit of a sassy Matt this evening. I wonder what he expected them to do.

 

[Luigi87]

*looks up Roper*
Oh... oh my...

Edit: Actually it's not overly terrible

 

[Sensei]

GG

 

[Dream Machine]

Jesus... welcome to level 8 y'all

 

[killerrin]

*looks up Roper*
Oh... oh my...

Edit: Actually it's not overly terrible

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KILL IT WITH CANTRIPS!

 

[Luigi87]

KILL IT WITH CANTRIPS!

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That was priceless.
Figuratively, and literally!

 

[Dream Machine]

That Banishment was pretty badass.

 

[killerrin]

LMFAO. Their "boredom" slays me. I can't believe they pulled out Cave Porn.

Edit: Oh my god, Caleb just sent Frumpkin to his death

 

[Luigi87]

lol, wow it's almost 10PM PST, and suddenly Chris Perkins is a guest.

 

[eyeball_kid]

lol, wow it's almost 10PM PST, and suddenly Chris Perkins is a guest.

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Was a guest

 

[Sensei]

rip spurt

 

[killerrin]

That was a good bout of comedic relief, LMAO

 

[Dream Machine]

"Yeah, that's right! I'm your mommy!"

 

[Luigi87]

Was a guest

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I'm so pissed, my Internet died just before he died, lol

 

[TemplaerDude]

Splattered Splurt is the highlight of my week. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time holy shit. I bow to Perkins.

 

[killerrin]

First they killed Frumpkin. Now they are dooming Nugget.

 

[TemplaerDude]

This is udder madness.

 

[Masoyama]

Whatever was their reasoning for this plan, they executed in the worst possible manner.

 

[killerrin]

The chat is furious that these things can see her and get attacks of opportunity while she is invisible

 

[Yabberwocky]

This is so stressful! argghhh

 

[TemplaerDude]

Uh, with the current lava rules, this might be the end of Nott...

 

[Luigi87]

Why is it every time they go to the Underdark a rogue loses a foot!

9d10... holy shi-

 

[Masoyama]

Uh, with the current lava rules, this might be the end of Nott...

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Vax's leg was only saved because Matt underestimated lava damage by an order of magnitude... Fuck

OK, I also kinda love that the rules-writer for DnD was there to be screamed at for the lava rules.

 

[Lexad]

Not related, but fun to hear Khary in the Big Hero 6 world of Kingdom Hearts

 

[Sensei]

almost F

 

[timedesk]

That second half was nuts. It went from being hilarious to one of the most stressful encounters since the Avantika fight. Lava damage is insane.

 

[TemplaerDude]

I can't believe they got out of that. I can't believe we have to wait two more weeks!!!!!

 

[killerrin]

Vax's leg was only saved because Matt underestimated lava damage by an order of magnitude... Fuck

OK, I also kinda love that the rules-writer for DnD was there to be screamed at for the lava rules.

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To be fair. Vax's leg was when they were still under Pathfinder rules. So it could just be that those rules are more lax than in DnD

 

[Vommy]

Jesus that last fight was really stressful.

 

[Vulcano's Assistant]

To be fair, the lava rules are still a bit forgiving. That room could have been hot as an oven and just walking into it or getting close to the lava without touching could have burned flesh.

 

[Dream Machine]

Yeah, everyone thinks lava is fine as long as you don't touch it because of movies and video games (and that "the floor is lava!" kids game) but even Beau probably should have taken 9d10 and burst into flames from going up and grabbing Nott.

Thank god for that water walking ring, or else we would have lost Nott right at the beginning of her arc.

 

[Vulcano's Assistant]

By sweating one can survive temperatures that will cook meat, but not for long. The room didn't have ceiling right? so that probably wouldn't make it an oven full of toxic fumes, so maybe like being close to a giant bonfire rather than inside of a burning house, but still, one probably has to get away from the direct heat after a few seconds. Lets assume that the flow was not as orange as the map suggested, but a bit colder.

 

[eyeball_kid]

Looking up the Water Walk spell, the spellcaster still takes damage if near lava due to the heat.

 

[Reinhard]

If the ring acts similar to the spell, acid and lava are inert/the same as regular ground when walking over it for the wearer. The only damage would be from the heated air around the lava, which shouldn't be near the same as wading through lava (10d10). Perhaps half or 1/4th that, so 3 or 5d10.

 

[Dream Machine]

By sweating one can survive temperatures that will cook meat, but not for long. The room didn't have ceiling right? so that probably wouldn't make it an oven full of toxic fumes, so maybe like being close to a giant bonfire rather than inside of a burning house, but still, one probably has to get away from the direct heat after a few seconds. Lets assume that the flow was not as orange as the map suggested, but a bit colder.

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They're several days journey into an underground cavern that has been getting gradually deeper as they go. I don't know how high the ceiling was in that "room", but there was definitely a ceiling. This is all fantasy though, so I'm fine with the room being habitable for a short few seconds as they ran through, it's just being directly on and next to rivers of lava/magma(?) that I'm glad Matt took pretty seriously.

Matt also described the giants as digging their hands into it and wading into it, so I think the way the map looked was what he was going for.

If the ring acts similar to the spell, acid and lava are inert/the same as regular ground when walking over it for the wearer. The only damage would be from the heated air around the lava, which shouldn't be near the same as wading through lava (10d10). Perhaps half or 1/4th that, so 3 or 5d10.

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Nott did miss her athletics check and fall prone onto the lava. It makes sense that she took more damage because she wasn't walking over it. She was laying down on it.

 

[Lexad]

Relistening to last week's episode. Do we think that nott will spend more than the end game not as a goblin? In that will she be returned to Halfling form for quite a few levels and is only sticking around instead of being with her family because of where the group is heading with some world level stuff. If it happens in the last couple of episodes I would be disappointed. I would love to get to know her as a non goblin

 

[Masoyama]

Relistening to last week's episode. Do we think that nott will spend more than the end game not as a goblin? In that will she be returned to Halfling form for quite a few levels and is only sticking around instead of being with her family because of where the group is heading with some world level stuff. If it happens in the last couple of episodes I would be disappointed. I would love to get to know her as a non goblin

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I don't think so. Nott was moved into the body of a goblin after her halfling self was killed. I don't think that body is still around.

 

[Dream Machine]

Her old body isn't necessary. I think Nott's gambit is getting Caleb to use True Polymorph to turn her back into her old self permanently. She can use disguise self to show him what she used to look like, and then bing bang boom. That's a lot of levels away, though, and a lot can change between now and then.

I wonder if Caleb or Jester will turn her back into her old self for an hour at a time with regular Polymorph as a gift. A chance to talk to her husband and child again to say a temporary goodbye after the rescue, though. The comedown back into goblin form might be more depressing than the temporary transformation was worth.

 

[eyeball_kid]

Her old body isn't necessary. I think Nott's gambit is getting Caleb to use True Polymorph to turn her back into her old self permanently. She can use disguise self to show him what she used to look like, and then bing bang boom. That's a lot of levels away, though, and a lot can change between now and then.

I wonder if Caleb or Jester will turn her back into her old self for an hour at a time with regular Polymorph as a gift. A chance to talk to her husband and child again to say a temporary goodbye after the rescue, though. The comedown back into goblin form might be more depressing than the temporary transformation was worth.

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I guess this is where realism and fantasy part ways, but none of them would know what Veth's voice in her halfling form sounded like. And for that matter, none of them would know what Veth's brain was like (Sam said he talked with Matt about how the brain physiology of her goblin form was changing Veth's personality, so the reverse should hold true for consistency). I don't know if those particulars are normally just handwaved away as a True Polymorph thing, but it seems to me there's a big difference between making someone, let's say, a dragon permanently, versus turning someone specifically into Raishan when the mage has only seen an image.