Are YOU trying to tell me, a black man that's been around the globe and see racism first hand, and everyone else with an objection that we're wrong?
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CTR Nitro Fueled includes a racially insensitive skin for Tawna [see staff post: discussion guidelines]
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Are YOU trying to tell me, a black man that's been around the globe and see racism first hand, and everyone else with an objection that we're wrong?
Thnks for explaining.
We don't use the expression color-ism here, call black people colored is very racist in Brazil. We like to be called black.
Playing earlier today, I was wondering how the skin was watermelon related at all. Would've expected a Green and Pink Tawna.
Somebody: "Dark skin + watermelon is racially insensitive imagery"
Guy who has the internet at his fingertips: "Hmm I could either do a 5 second google search for a quick answer, or I can have someone explain it for me..."
Somebody: *Does 5 second google search for info and posts it*
Guy who has the internet at his fingertips:"wow bro thx I wouldn't have known that without u"
Guy who has the internet at his fingertips: "Hmm I could either do a 5 second google search for a quick answer, or I can have someone explain it for me..."
Somebody: *Does 5 second google search for info and posts it*
Guy who has the internet at his fingertips:"wow bro thx I wouldn't have known that without u"
Man fuck you and this garbage post
This thread is an embarrassment to ResetEra, letting this ignorant shit go by but still parading around how progressive this site is
User Banned (Permanent): Dismissing concerns surrounding racism; account still in junior phase
Nope, I miss players being players. Enjoying good games and making guides and whatnot. Nowadays everything gets political. Fewer people enjoy things, they only want "justice". There is a word in my language that describes this kind of behavior, but out of respect I shall restrain.
The only problem with that is Fake Crash is depicted as a total goof. I mean, I personally love him, but it's a similar situation to the whole making LeFou ("the fool") from Beauty and the Beast implied gay in the remake, in that it's easy to read as the creators regarding LGBT people as laughable, well... fools. It's the feeling of being recognized but ultimately disrespected.
That said, I love Fake Crash. He's an icon and fully owns himself.
Dreadful. Irish guy here, the stereotype is well known to me from watching cartoons and stuff growing up. I 35 though so I could understand why some teenagers in Europe not knowing about it. Hopefully this particular issue came from a place of ignorance and not maliciousness but either way shit needs to get sorted.
It is slightly amusing to see Americans finger wag about being ignorant of other countries and cultures given who you elected as president.
It is slightly amusing to see Americans finger wag about being ignorant of other countries and cultures given who you elected as president.
Booted up the game and that particular skin looks auburn in tone to me, she's way lighter than the pic in the original post. On my tv anyway.
Just wanted to add to the secondary conversation and say that as a black dude from Brazil's south region, I've never seen this specific stereotype here. I am aware that it exists in the US thanks to music and movies, but it's wrong to assume people in other countries know what you're talking about or have experienced, just because a good part of those countries' population is black.
On the main topic, hopefully the devs will change this skin soon.
On the main topic, hopefully the devs will change this skin soon.
Do you really think the people (not all American btw) who have issue with this voted for 45? How does that even equate?
Colorism is not the same as calling someone colored. Colorism is when people favor people with whiter skin(even if they are PoC) to darker ones. This is a thing in Brazil and latin american countries as mostly of actors, people on magazines, etc are white or white passing.
I get the implication but this is strictly coincidental. Unless the whole team is racist but I strongly doubt that.
Why watermelon? Is there some story/thematic thing to do with watermelon? Cause looking at her outfit there's nothing that would indicate calling her watermelon.
Shits blatantly racist. Disgusting
Shits blatantly racist. Disgusting
I sorta disagree.
LeFou is not only a fool in a crowd of non-fools, but he's also depicted as being extremely flamboyant. Fake Crash may be a goof, but in the context of the other characters of the series, not significantly more so than Crash or Tiny or the likes, and he's also not shown as effeminate or camp.
Pink and green clothes, with the pink shirt having black dots (like watermelon seeds) is "absolutely nothing" that you would consider to be potentially relating to watermelon in any shape or form?
Her shirt is pink with black spots to represent the seeds and her shorts are green.
The skin is named Watermelon because of the shirt. I can't tie it to America's racial history, because I don't know if Tawna is supposed to be "black".
Since it is causing some controversy, it should be patched out.
Since it is causing some controversy, it should be patched out.
Twenty5Thousand I think it would help to update the OP with the clearer screens posted in this thread:
Okay so here's a higher quality image. I've blanked out my PSN Username, and that's the only edit I've done.
So in light of the picture where she doesn't look like her skin was darkened is someone trying to troll with the original picture?
She's an anthropomorphic bandicoot with blonde hair. I don't think she's supposed to be "black".
Not when it is needed for context. Simply being a dick to someone genuinely asking versus someone who is clearly trolling to poke at the "but how could thst possibly be racist dur" is a fine line sure, but it still doesn't need the attitude. Just explain and move on. Hell here in Australia that racist connotation is unheard of, and only through being exposed to American culture on the internet was I even able to find out about it.
Regardless of the shitty attitudes of some to genuine questions, it's fucking racist. You can't just simply say watermelon person with the darker tone, or even the inherently African/African-American like name and it doesn't take a genuis HR person to know that in developing the game. Watermelon is typically used to describe inanimate objects or clothing, but the distinction would be in the naming convention to seperate it from the person or character. Here we don't have that and it needs to be fixed.
I'm irish and never heard about this. I'd imagine the vast majority of young Irish don't either. And why would we unless you have an interest in American history and culture. We didn't have the same issues here because we were the slaves ourselves under British rule.
That's Internet forums for you. They have programmed many of us to be lazy.
I know it's tough to understand for this forum at times but the USA is not the only market for videogames. So I don't know why some users try to dismiss the genuine attempts of folks that don't have the obligation to be aware of the race issues USA has.
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Picture what a lot of development studios look like. Picture who's not there.
I hate being dragged back into this thread. I already knew about this stereotype, wanna know how? By reading about it from people having explained it here before. Ok, bye.
I didn't get it for quite a bit actually....but then I saw the name. Now THAT is a solid yikes and a half.
Guess it's just outside what I would expect color palette wise. The Watermelon Nitrous Oxide is more familiar to what i'd expect.
All this talk about American racism imagery and Brazil got me googling, and I bumped into some stuff about "Confederados" and the like. Apparently Emperor Dom Pedro II recruited southern slaveowners after they lost the American Civil War because he wanted to have a cotton export and slavery was still legal in Brazil?
They actually have a picture of the dev team at the end of the credits sequence, and you're right.
Seems like an oversight to me. Easy fix, change the name and/or make some tweaks to the costume.
It's a little startling how many people are reading this as a deliberate display of racism. I'm not from the US though, so maybe I'm the odd one out.
It's a little startling how many people are reading this as a deliberate display of racism. I'm not from the US though, so maybe I'm the odd one out.
Okay so here's a higher quality image. I've blanked out my PSN Username, and that's the only edit I've done.
Also, I don't know if this is HDR Messing with me or not, but the actual skin looks a fair bit different than the one in the portrait.
I feel like we aren't really talking about this image as much.
I don't really see another reading. It it's anything else it's an enormous coincidence. Even that unfortunate coincidence would be avoided by hiring more than 0 black people.
Oh boy, it's a whole thing.
Basically "it's about culture and we are not racists, but we also like what our ancestors did". So yeah...
Is it really an enormous coincidence though? Assuming you start with the outfit (which is where the "watermelon" part comes from), there's only a certain number of fur tones that will look good in combination. Tawna by default is orange, so you mess around until you hit a brown tone that looks good.
I could easily see that being how it went down. But like I say, I'm not from the US, so I'm not as in tune with the social/political climate over there.
OP's used a very bad picture to support his claim. Not only are the shadows darker in the Switch version but the picture quality is very poor as well.