That's how she looks on my Pro. OP used a terrible pic. They should still alter the name in the game.
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CTR Nitro Fueled includes a racially insensitive skin for Tawna [see staff post: discussion guidelines]
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Yeah, colorism is a huge issue in Brazil due to the reasons you pointed out (alongside some bad shit rooted in most of the families there). Some people have the impression that racism in Brazil is not as serious as in the US due to centuries of miscegenation and since segregation worked in a different way in these countries. But if you take colorism in particular, I think it is even worse (as it is something spread among all population groups).
Again, here's the Switch version's using the Switch's own screenshot function - no stream artifacting or capture device changing the saturation or stuff like that - I posted those earlier in the thread.
The selection icon is much darker than the actual model (you can't even tell the lighter part of the muzzle from the darker part of the head on it, but it's very clearly visible on the icon), and in the icon, the colour is, imo, more auburn, much like her hair in the icon.
The selection icon is much darker than the actual model (you can't even tell the lighter part of the muzzle from the darker part of the head on it, but it's very clearly visible on the icon), and in the icon, the colour is, imo, more auburn, much like her hair in the icon.
I'll admit. I skipped five pages of commentary, and I'm posting *only* after seeing the high-res photo.
Her fur is not that dark, and she is *very clearly* wearing a shirt that's (correct me if I'm wrong) literally a watermelon. Are we still under the impression that there was something fishy and malevolent going on behind the scenes here? Are any other character variations named after the clothes that they're wearing? I don't have the game so I can't check. If they are, though, I don't think there's really anything more to this.
Edit: The Switch captures do make her fur look a little darker. If I saw this in a vacuum on my own, though, I definitely would have made the t-shirt connection (and the light green shorts) and figured "that's that."
Her fur is not that dark, and she is *very clearly* wearing a shirt that's (correct me if I'm wrong) literally a watermelon. Are we still under the impression that there was something fishy and malevolent going on behind the scenes here? Are any other character variations named after the clothes that they're wearing? I don't have the game so I can't check. If they are, though, I don't think there's really anything more to this.
Edit: The Switch captures do make her fur look a little darker. If I saw this in a vacuum on my own, though, I definitely would have made the t-shirt connection (and the light green shorts) and figured "that's that."
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Makes you wonder if they already altered the skin to be lighter but left the old icon for some reason.Again, here's the Switch version's using the Switch's own screenshot function - no stream artifacting or capture device changing the saturation or stuff like that - I posted those earlier in the thread.
The selection icon is much darker than the actual model (you can't even tell the lighter part of the muzzle from the darker part of the head on it, but it's very clearly visible on the icon), and in the icon, the colour is, imo, more auburn, much like her hair in the icon.
Somebody posted another character with a watermelon themed skin. I feel the same way, it's an unfortunate coincidence at worst.
Yes, some other character skins are themed after food (including another Watermelon skin on N. Oxide that I also posted earlier) and/or named after their clothing. For instance, Isabella has a skin that's called "Mermaid" where she's wearing teal and mauve-coloured clothing and her hair also is mauve. The same character has a Racer skin which changes her suit to have a checkered finish flag pattern. There's a Lemonade skin for Megumi where she's dressed in a yellow suit with lemon patterns on it. Just to name a few examples.
All of the character icons are darker than the actual character models - but it's hard to make a full equivalence given that the renders likely have different lighting than the models do.
The lack of black people explains how they might've missed it, and considering how it looks on the other console versions (the ones Beenox is likely most used with) Tawna isn't so dark in this version it's more understandable
Never saw that stereotype in France either, who was involve a lot in slave trading.
I don't understand how it can pass QA test in USA thought... But after what happened with smash and game and watch, we saw that awful historical stereotype are quickly forget.
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I'm British and I learnt something new today. I watched Child's Play recently in the cinema and the black detective made a quip about a white guy dying in a watermelon patch and it totally went over me and my friends heads. Now I understand. Americans just need to understand that what's racially sensitive in their culture isn't racially sensitive in ours or others. When you guys refer to black people as 'people of colour' I wince because in England calling a black guy anything close to 'coloured' would get you a smack in the chops.
Worth noting that the Switch version lacks the actual fur rendering and has slightly simpler shadows that often look a bit darker than the other versions.
If they want the simplest fix, they could just rename the skin "Strawberry Tawna"
Picture in the OP is bad quality but I still don't see any seeds.
And the shirt is pink and yellow. Never seen a pink and yellow watermelon before.
Edit: with the high quality image you can see the seeds.
Still seems a bit problematic.
The name's because her shirt gets a watermelon pattern but they darkened her fur color alongside it, so that's gonna raise some eyebrows
It's pink with green on the arms and a yellow Crash face (in order to stand out from the pink). The seeds are also clearly visible.
As someone who has the game, I can confirm there is a watermelon seed pattern on her shirt.
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Yea, those Switch screen shots look way darker than what I'm seeing on my PS4 with HDR enabled. Going by those I could see why some people might take offense. On my end it looks auburn to me.
Tropical Tawna.
It's a better alliteration. It's sure as hell better than friggin' Watermelon Tawna.
It's not only the name, though. If they're gonna keep the darker skin tone, get rid of the damn Watermelon.
I still think someone thought they were bein' slick. Oh, it was an honest mistake!
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Good call, the fruit design on the shirt should also be changed since leaving it as a watermelon would also evoke similar overtones.
I think it's racist, but tbh we have no way of knowing if there was intent or not. I hope they change it soon.
No, you should read the thread again cause I'm sure absolutely no one said or implied that Brazil or others latino countries are racism free. The watermelon thing not being that relevant or known in Brasil (True) doesn't mean there's no racism, don't know how you got to that conclusion. There is racism just like in a lot of South America countries.
I can tell you for a fact most people here in Argentina haven't heard about it in their whole life and we still have tons of racist assholes.
I also think some people do ask this kind of questions in bad faith, it happens a lot, so I get where you guys are coming from, it sucks. Not saying it was the case here at all, but yeah, I totally get the defense.
No, you should read the thread again cause I'm sure absolutely no one said or implied that Brazil or others latino countries are racism free. The watermelon thing not being that relevant or known in Brasil (True) doesn't mean there's no racism, don't know how you got to that conclusion. There is racism just like in a lot of South America countries.
I can tell you for a fact most people here in Argentina haven't heard about it in their whole life and we still have tons of racist assholes.
I also think some people do ask this kind of questions in bad faith, it happens a lot, so I get where you guys are coming from, it sucks. Not saying it was the case here at all, but yeah, I totally get the defense.
I don't think anyone's denying that racism is rampant in latam. The people that said they didn't know about this stereotype were talking about this specific stereotype.
Is having the only none-white character in the roster being an alt palette of a guest character whose default is still white that much better?
The fact that they named it Watermelon and just have her a shirt is some bullshit. They could have gone with like pink hair and stuff for a watermelon theme like with Nitrus and the dark skin would have been fine if only to make the bright colors pop more. OR they could have just made her as orange as she is in the portrait. As it stands they just made her darker brown contrary to the portrait. With how it is its just racist.
Is the skin colour actually different? Because the third edited in screen posted shows her as having a similar light skin, just wearing the watermelon top. The first comparison images however show her with different shades of fur/skin colour.
If the skin/fur colour does change, that is fucked up and should be amended immediately, if however the colour stays the same and it's just the watermelon top that changes, then I think that's fine, though I'd still say it was a pretty weak and uninspired skin/top.
If the skin/fur colour does change, that is fucked up and should be amended immediately, if however the colour stays the same and it's just the watermelon top that changes, then I think that's fine, though I'd still say it was a pretty weak and uninspired skin/top.
It's a different fur color. All the different palette swaps change the fur color.
As for being uninspired, it's a palette swap. I'm not sure why you expected more. There are some really clever ones (Kabuki face paint Norma for example) but most of them are pretty simple.
That's really fucked up then given the racist connotations. Hopefully they patch that out.
Regarding the skins being uninspired, I don't know, I just expected more elaborate differences than just a watermelon tank top swap. I haven't seen the other skin changes, so perhaps they're more interesting and complex.
Well there used to be Daisy, but then she got hit by the bleach.
I'm American and I've never heard it referenced anywhere but the internet.
I'm white though, so that probably helps.
I'm just saying I never had issues of racial stereotypes against black people thrown in my face when drifting around Yoshi Circuit.
But if I missed something, please feel free to enlighten me.
I'm all for criticizing this, I'm just not about putting up Mario Kart in comparison when, as mentioned, I'm still seeing whitewashed Daisy.
If you go to google image search and type "watermelon stereotype black" or something along those line, you'll see that there was a whole period of American history where this stereotype was not only prevalent, but it was socially acceptable in advertising.
Similarly, there was about a hundred year period where popular American music and theater consisted primarily of blackface, but then the civil rights movement rolled around and it was swept rapidly under the rug, so it's entirely possible it's just been hidden from you at this point.
Ah, I didn't actually pick up on that. Makes more sense then.
I'm black and still only saw nothing more than the shirt. Then you guys mentioned her fur tones and it's a whole new context.
I find it hard that they were intentional.
I find it hard that they were intentional.
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I'm not sure whether something like that is best forgotten or not.
Probably not, though it seems like people around here are more likely to see history as less a series of pitfalls to be avoided and more a list of accomplishments to be emulated.
I'm Brazilian as well and although not living there anymore I can guarantee that this isn't a thing in Brazil at all.
Also, what if their QA isn't in the US? Why people around here always assume the worst? So many hot takes.
I haven't said anything about black people needing to do anything. Any person who is aware of it can educate. And yea it's probably confined to the anglosphere.
My cousins in Norway know about the watermelon stereotype, and so do my friends in England. It's not a stereotype localized in America that isn't known or understood overseas. This entire argument is similar to people who bring out Bananas only being a negative stereotype for black people in America, which is demonstrably untrue going by Fifa.
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The developper is Canadian (Vancouver), as I am. Sorry but racism is USA's debate, we don't share the same history. Please keep your problems home, we've got enough issues to take care of on our side of the border.
