Being offensive is probably their intention. Not all media is going to smooth out the rough edges for a wider audience. Even self aware films like Django or Basterds can be real rough for a modern audience.
You're not a woman - noones calling you a cunt cus they think you're less cus you are a woman - which they have done for me. I've literally been calle a fuckin stupid cunt for turning a guy down before. And I'm from the UK too.
Can you explain how the two situations are different? Aside from one being a show and a movie and one a game? People even post gifs. Now I do understand that there are different people in different threads but era accepted stands.
What is your rebuttal if I say all those tv shows and movies and books are equally bad? You seem to be defending CDPR on pure whataboutism, which is not enough to justify their use of problematic wording. Nothing is. Especially so because it's clearly not an isolated case, given their past offenses and non-apologies.
Is that your stance on every issue that does not particularly bother you?
But Cyberpunk is not calling you a "fucking stupid cunt" as a person. I understand the language might bring back memories for you, I'm sorry, but that's not going to stop acting and/or make-believe media from using coarse language in a fitting setting. The voice over actors doing the dubs for this game do not read the scrips thinking they are calling the player a cunt.
I don't think I have ever even thought to classify it in the realm of slurs until just now.
I always find it interesting that anyone wants to "punish" anyone over stuff like this. I mean, "punishing" people with "wrong" opinions is something we're behind now?
Deadwood is set in a fictional universe, the dialogue is written by writers. The people at CDPR are real individuals with real opinions.
Nobody is saying anyone has to die and no one is intentionally trying to punish anyone specifically, but how do you propose people show an entire company that there is no place for the dialogue they're writing in modern society other than by not giving them their money?
Creating a game, Cyberpunk, which is set in a fictional universe, with dialogue written by the writing team? Overseen by Mike Pondsmith.
Saying that CDPR can make the game they want to make, language and all, is not the same as saying you 'enjoy' hearing those words or condone using them. Come on now.
I'm allowed to advocate for myself - it's not just a swear word, it's a gendered slur targeted against woman, just being used for edginess, not being used as a them or a moral about sexim - there's no real reason to have it there, a non-targeting minorities swear word like fucker would work just as well instead of cunt or cocksucker, it doesn't add anything to the game and just makes woman and LGBT people feel unwelcome. I'm allowed to bring that criticism up, it may not change CDPR but it may make other games companies think twice about putting it when they are trying to target my audiences money. I'm not the only one that didn't like it.
I mean it's insult that means you're bad for performing oral sex on men, usually targeted towards men, it's essentially saying it's an insult to be a gay man.
They can make the game they want, none of us have the power to stop of them, we aren't insisting on making it illegal, but if they are allowed to make it, we are allowed to criticise them for it.
Different characters across different games in different settings will act and speak differently.
As we all know, Deadwood was written by robots.
I have never given it that much thought before. I've always considered it a "fuck you" of sorts.
The post I replied to literally said this:
And we're not talking about lootboxes or gameplay stuff here.
I mean, people use that's so gay as an insult without actually meaning you are gay, but it's still homophobic.
I mean would classifying it as a homophobic insult feel better? So, is the implication that casual homophobia is okay so long as the language isn't explicitly the worst possible example? That the game has to use cheap swears and homophobia to inform the audience that the character is a villain feels lazy to me. I'm sorry to seem rude, but it feels like trying to quantify how bad the homophobia is, just implies that there are acceptable levels of homophobia for this game. I doubt that was your intention though.
Because that's how most people mean it. I think it's used often enough and widely enough that it doesn't have a homosexual or even "bottom" connotation anymore, it's just something people say. Just like calling someone a fucker doesn't clearly mean anything literal.
If you are genuinely curious you can check google and see what Israel is doing to the Palestine people. Being pro-israel is totally excludes you from being pro-palestine. You can't be on both sides.
So you speak for yourself, but you also speak for all women and LGBT people? Isn't that a bit contradictory? I'm certain there is probably some women and LGBT people somewhere, who laughed at the cunt joke in the elevator. The one about nuns. You see, that was using cunt in a "humorous" way, but you're stating it cannot just be a swear word?
Your posts are calling for CDPR to self-censor and not use language you dislike in a hyperviolent, mature game world. I understand your issue with the game but I don't agree with taking one particular aspect out of a larger game because you find it particularly icky. And no, saying that does not mean I like school shooting simulators or whatever other crazy false equivalence you want to come up with.
I have just never experienced a moment in my life where someone called me a cock sucker and I felt ashamed about being sexually attracted to men. I have felt ashamed when someone has called me a fag or faggot, but being called cock sucker has never even graced any sort of "that's homophobic" line for me.
And that poster as far as I gathered, was talking about the use of swearing in something like Deadwood and asking why is it all that much different than in Cyberpunk?
I am able to separate games and movies from real life. The person calling me those things is supposed to be a shitty person who I am about to kill . They would not worry about niceties. This is not glorifying anything this is saying that this world is a shitty place. These things exist and they are shitty and should in my opinion should not be hidden and pretend they do not exist they should be shown as vile and disgusting as they are. Removing things that are offensive I do not think is the answer. Just my opinion.
No I'm with you. Maybe it's just how I personally have heard it used but it's never been homophobic. Like I said, it doesn't even seem to be saying anything literally. It's just a vulgar-sounding thing to call someone. (shrug)
I didn't speak for all woman and LGBT - I said I wasn't the only one I saw criticisng it and I'm not, there's been others on this forum alone. And now you are trying to say I'm some prude cus I don't like slurs directed towards minorities. This is a games forum, I'm allowed to criticise aspects about games I don't like, just like people will complain about bad level design or low frame rates. There's no point in continuing on this convo anymore, it's just you making it seem like I'm being oversensitive or wimpy for making a criticism about a game you like. For a guy that seems to want to seem so consumer interest, it's strange how much you are complaining about me making a simple criticism.
In my experience of hearing my older coworkers use it, it is often used interchangeably with "asshole." It's admittedly a somewhat older swear word, but I've never heard it used as an alternative to a homophobic slur.
In the trailer he actually said "We didn't need all this cocksucking attention" so he wasn't really calling anyone a cocksucker but still. We can go through mental gymnastics over this.
Yeah. I would argue it's because "asshole" has become blase so to get the same punch you have to say something harsher that's not said a lot. That's why I think you hear "the C word" (crowd gasps) more and more - because other words are getting played out. 20 years from now it'll be something else and nobody will care about that one anymore either.
The cocksucker debate is about the term being used in the game. No one from CDPR said that on social media
I'm more so asking if yourself and others can accept the concepts of intent and context, and not simply state things cannot be as they are because they're always a personal slight against you. I can accept you feeling how you do, with still trying to challenge you making a blanket statement around bad language. CDPR don't have anything to do with how bad guys in the past have treated you, even if their use of language is a memory trigger. They aren't creating this game to target your past or have the intent of upsetting you.
I think that it's for this reason, that said, I bet most of the people using the insult similarly put zero fucking thought into this angle. I think cocksucker, like so much other profanity, is just totally disconnected in a lot of people's minds from its literal meaning.
If people put zero thought into it, does it really carry any impact? Are we just giving it power?
Congratulations, you've now learned how racist, transphobic, homophobia etc rhetoric gets spread and normalized
A whole HEAP of homophobic and ableist slurs are used against people who aren't gay or disabled, and without I suspect particular agenda against those who are. How many teenagers have called something gay without any actual complaint about gay people? It's still fucked up if you're gay. Some people won't be bothered by it, but it doesn't stop being fucked up. I don't know. I don't blame you for not feeling particularly slighted by the phrase cocksucker though.
