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Cyberpunk 2077 Twitter account makes transphobic joke (READ OP)

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Oct 28, 2017
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My thoughts exactly. Educate the person who made the mistake, make some sort of charitable gesture or similar to back up an apology, and ensure it doesn't happen again. This was an ill-advised "joke" made in poor taste by someone who should have known better, but it's still just a mistake, not a sweeping declaration of transphobia by the entirety of the company, and I expect an apology on a similar scale.
If this was a racist joke told in the same manner would you expect a similarly low-key apology?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Whoever is in charge of their Twitter account seems to be trying too hard to fit in with "Internet culture" and not trying hard enough to learn about the various ethical implications of what they are doing, this is true, but I hope the game itself will be better than that. Concerning Indian representation, we don't know if that scene will remain in the final product or if it'll be improved and/or removed.
All we have to go by right now is what we were shown. What we were shown doesn't strike me with any confidence.

They've done stuff like this before?
The problem is that CDPR does have a history of this. Their pro-GamerGate tweet from a few weeks ago, or their poor stereotypical representation of Indian people in the upcoming game, shows enough of a running trend here.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm feeling for the mods, so much work to do.
Mods working overtime.

This is a bloodbath and people still won't read the OP or learn.

I was however surprised with one one account having 8k+ posts.

On topic, that was not even a apology. I feel like they are sorry that people outed them. I don't think they still get it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I recently spent the day watching a co-workers 2 children. They were ages 10 (girl) and 15 (boy). Both of them are very much into internet culture... memes, Fortnite references, etc. We were getting pizza after a trip to Microcenter (we were building a PC for the older boy) and I had an exchange with the younger girl because she was acting goofy where I said, "You crazy girl." She responded with, "Did you just assume my gender?" I honestly didn't know how to respond... I just let it go. I have no kids of my own and didn't know how to break down the politics of what she just said to a 10 year old.

Now she 10 but on the internet these phrases have a way of becoming their own thing, spreading and being used in a context not intended by their original hurtful means. It reminds me of the whole "Do you know the way" meme that Razor didn't realize was a racist reference and made a tweet with the phrase. It doesn't surprise me that people are being honest in coming here and admitting ignorance to the impact of the phrase. I think rather than thrashing those who admit this here, we can use this as a teachable moment to spread awareness.

Also, I feel some here who dislike the Witcher series or CDPR are using this as an opportunity to link this with the dev team. Social media accounts do not develop the games. The Tweet was stupid, the non-appology was horrible and deserves all of the response it's receiving. But remember there is a large team of people that develop and create the games and the social media accounts don't speak for all of those people.

Also, big shout out to the mod team working overtime in this thread.
 

KelticNight

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Oct 25, 2017
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Extremely disappointed in this company who I thought were one of the "good ones". I will definitely not be buying Cyberpunk on release and I wouldn't be surprised if this creates a toxic stigma around the studio that affects their sales negatively.
Check the news. The Cyberpunk related news being reported is the new screenshots they released.

It's already been forgotten by some, and a lot of people probably didn't even know it happened at all.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The problem is that CDPR does have a history of this. Their pro-GamerGate tweet from a few weeks ago, or their poor stereotypical representation of Indian people in the upcoming game, shows enough of a running trend here.


You people are on the losing side of history, and I look forward to the day when you are driven back into your underground hiding holes again, instead of being emboldened to be shitty in the public, thanks to the sentient Cheeto who's currently in office.
I agree with you, I am pretty down on CDPR in general and this stuff just reinforces my issues with them. I can't wait for that day as well. It can't come soon enough.

They've done stuff like this before?
Yup at least once before if not more.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Norway.
Ah, so you were just strawmanning. Thanks to clarifying.
Strawmanning? I don't get it. Im simply saying that if one developer writes something shitty in a tweet I will not stop wanting to buy the game because there are many other developers too and not buying that game will feel like Im punishing every developer of that game for something 1 dev did.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Reactions to transphobia, homophobia, sexism, racism, etc, all get lumped into "outrage culture" by those that just want to carry on with their prejudice and bullying of those very same groups. Oh those persecuted people are just so outraged that I can't seem to have the human decency to acknowledge their existence or refuse to stop thinking rape or gender dysphoria is somehow funny. Then they laugh at them and turn it into a caricature.
Thank you. I'm not well versed in social issues. Probably because I have never had to deal with anything like this.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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As someone who is incredibly excited for Cyberpunk, I hope that his situation pushes CDPR to be more thoughtful in their language in promotion and writing to be inclusive to marginalized individuals. If a pattern of these situations occur, then I would reflect on my potential purchase similarly to how I did with Kingdom Come Deliverance, by not purchasing the game.

I would imagine most people have this same mindset. There are more responses about people being outraged than there are containing actual criticism.
This is where I'm at right now. Was super excited for the game, but I agree with Phantom Thief that this "joke" might indicate the CDPR team don't fully appreciate some of the ideas that are central to the CyberPunk setting.

I'm really curious if Mike Pondsmith is going to comment, since he wrote the CyberPunk setting and is working with CDPR on the game.
 
Nov 15, 2017
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I know this is going to piss off a lot of people.....

But i honestly didn't know that statement was used or being used (and taken) as an offensive joke.

Extremely disappointed in this company who I thought were one of the "good ones". I will definitely not be buying Cyberpunk on release and I wouldn't be surprised if this creates a toxic stigma around the studio that affects their sales negatively.
You might be overestimating how long people's attention spans are on the internet.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It's that horrid leftist agenda of... empathy and tolerance that makes their blood boil!
Yep, it is sad how there are still young people who hate people different than them. That cant handle racial and sexual diversity in their lives and games.

It's honestly depressing. Young people are supposed to be accepting and open.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Extremely disappointed in this company who I thought were one of the "good ones". I will definitely not be buying Cyberpunk on release and I wouldn't be surprised if this creates a toxic stigma around the studio that affects their sales negatively.
It was a shitty tweet but I doubt it will affect sales. The sad truth is that most gamers don't care about these issues anywhere near as much as the average resetera member does.
 
Apr 19, 2018
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This is Etienne Garde, one of the founders of the German Webvideo Television Station "Rocketbeans TV".
He is well known for way over a decade for being part in NBC's GIGA and MTV's GameOne here in Germany.
And this is his response:

He is known for not being the most "insightful" guy but this is just... disappointing. I don't know if he really is so
backwards or just trying to defend the company that is giving one of his good friends Fabian Mario Doehla (who did nothing wring),
PR guy for the German Market a job

And the worst thing, I know he won't feel guilty for his BS and there won't be anything that will change after this.

This is all fucking embarrassing
Yeah, i was honestly a bit shocked. I know Eddy spouts his stupid hot takes (about vegans for example) from time to time. But this is just wow... told him what a "Depp" he is.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think it's a stretch to hate this unreleased game you have no real info about and a development team based on a Tweet sent out by one person who may have been ignorant towards how offensive that tweet truly was. I don't think any sane person would tweet that out in this day and age with malice as intent on a company account.

I'm glad there is some sort of an apology albeit a shitty one...

Generalizing is never a smart thing. For all we know there are trans people in the studio who are currently taking action about this or others in that office that took issue with said tweet. This is not the mistake of CDPR. This is a mistake of one employee who probably didn't mean any harm and didn't understand the joke. Let's be aware of the harm and power our language can hold and be a little more cognisant of what we say.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I know this is going to piss off a lot of people.....

But i honestly didn't know that statement was used or being used (and taken) as an offensive joke.



You might be overestimating how long people's attention spans are on the internet.
Why would that piss people off? It's fine if you didn't get it. I don't get everything all the time either, sometimes until after it's explained.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Thank you. I'm not well versed in social issues. Probably because I have never had to deal with anything like this.
And that's fine as long as you're able to step outside your comfort zone and learn about others and their experiences. I was personally a transphobic and homophobic little shit when I was younger but it was conversations like this on forums back then that started opening my eyes.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I don't think calling for the firing of the social media guy is a reasonable response to this. That's someone's livelihood over a poorly executed attempt at a joke. I don't think what he said is enough to infer that they're transphobic or that it was meant with hate in his/her heart. Tone deaf, maybe, but not hateful.

I think talking with him and educating him saying "hey, we have a wide ranging audience that may get offended to stuff like this, don't do that. Stay away from these kind of topics. Period." is fine enough.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think it's a stretch to hate this unreleased game you have no real info about and a development team based on a Tweet sent out by one person who may have been ignorant towards how offensive that tweet truly was. I don't think any sane person would tweet that out in this day and age with malice as intent on a company account.

I'm glad there is some sort of an apology albeit a shitty one...

Generalizing is never a smart thing. For all we know there are trans people in the studio who are currently taking action about this or others in that office that took issue with said tweet. This is not the mistake of CDPR. This is a mistake of one employee who probably didn't mean any harm and didn't understand the joke. Let's be aware of the harm and power our language can hold and be a little more cognisant of what we say.
bro why are you reaching? No one is hating the game. We're taking a stance with what we believe in and declaring that we won't be buying the game in the future because of this response. Who are you trying to fool?
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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The problem is that CDPR does have a history of this. Their pro-GamerGate tweet from a few weeks ago, or their poor stereotypical representation of Indian people in the upcoming game, shows enough of a running trend here.
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I wasn't aware of this. Was this the same "tweeter"? If so, then the individual needs to be let go, and of course the apology with a donation to a charity. With respect to Indians in the game, have we even seen enough to make that determination? Im not going to jump to conclusions about any sort of representation in games before we know the full context.

My thoughts exactly. Educate the person who made the mistake, make some sort of charitable gesture or similar to back up an apology, and ensure it doesn't happen again. This was an ill-advised "joke" made in poor taste by someone who should have known better, but it's still just a mistake, not a sweeping declaration of transphobia by the entirety of the company, and I expect an apology on a similar scale.
Right, Im not ready to declare in my mind that an entire company is transphobic for some numbskull dumb tweet.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Why do these apologies ALWAYS end up the EXACT same:

"sorry if we offendeded anyone"

If you really do care don't come with that weak shit and express something more genuine and not cookie cutter.
 
I'm not certain anyone here who is condemning this has said anything to that effect. You're the one jumping to Z.
multiple users in this very thread have stated as such.
If cdpr doesn't actively cause genocide we should all obliged to buy game, I agree.
ok this is just ridiculous. be grateful for me even quoting you.
With their history, we're at least a few more letters in than B.
now that I didn't know. sounds like they really do need to get their shit together.

I didnt know they were based in Poland, I think that explains some of it.

edit : that apology is pretty half-assed.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm still amazed at the number of people saying it's just a joke in the early part of the old thread. A little googling will tell you that it's a well used 'joke' meant to diminish the trans community.

Im not even trans and in fucking offended by the joke.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I think it's a stretch to hate this unreleased game you have no real info about and a development team based on a Tweet sent out by one person who may have been ignorant towards how offensive that tweet truly was. I don't think any sane person would tweet that out in this day and age with malice as intent on a company account.

I'm glad there is some sort of an apology albeit a shitty one...

Generalizing is never a smart thing. For all we know there are trans people in the studio who are currently taking action about this or others in that office that took issue with said tweet. This is not the mistake of CDPR. This is a mistake of one employee who probably didn't mean any harm and didn't understand the joke. Let's be aware of the harm and power our language can hold and be a little more cognisant of what we say.
whew you got a lot of rope to give there
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Norway.
I think it's a stretch to hate this unreleased game you have no real info about and a development team based on a Tweet sent out by one person who may have been ignorant towards how offensive that tweet truly was. I don't think any sane person would tweet that out in this day and age with malice as intent on a company account.

I'm glad there is some sort of an apology albeit a shitty one...

Generalizing is never a smart thing. For all we know there are trans people in the studio who are currently taking action about this or others in that office that took issue with said tweet. This is not the mistake of CDPR. This is a mistake of one employee who probably didn't mean any harm and didn't understand the joke. Let's be aware of the harm and power our language can hold and be a little more cognisant of what we say.
Noone is hating the game. They take a stance against buying the game like every consumer is allowed to do.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I hate 'apologies' like this. Saying 'to those offended' shifts blame to the people justifiably upset and angry that a company would make a shitty and damaging 'joke'. It's basically 'we're only apologizing because some were offended'. Fuck off.
Yup. It's fucking disingenuous.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Generalizing is never a smart thing. For all we know there are trans people in the studio who are currently taking action about this or others in that office that took issue with said tweet. This is not the mistake of CDPR. This is a mistake of one employee who probably didn't mean any harm and didn't understand the joke. Let's be aware of the harm and power our language can hold and be a little more cognisant of what we say.
It becomes CDPR's mistake when they tweet a half-assed "apology" as a follow up. Gender fluidity and trans identity is a core tenet of the cyberpunk setting; they need to demonstrate a deeper, more inclusive understanding of the genre they're working with and a commitment to ensuring their employee base is consistent with that mentality.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I wasn't aware of this. Was this the same "tweeter"? If so, then the individual needs to be let go, and of course the apology with a donation to a charity. With respect to Indians in the game, have we even seen enough to make that determination? Im not going to jump to conclusions about any sort of representation in games before we know the full context.
The character is also directly taken from the source material. The tweet from the OP was shitty and the apology lackluster but I'm not about to throw the whole company under the bus
 
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