This forever. I want a democrat who really cleans house and makes people(Republican leaders) pay for what they've done these years. Not just back to business as usual.
until you find a contemporary mainstream american politician on the record supporting open borders, i can't agree with you that sander's answer to that question is at all controversial.
God, yes. The Republican Party needs to be held accountable for enabling this corrupt administration's worst impulses.
White unions excluding black Americans because "they'll take our jobs".
sanders has never been supporting this as far as i know
sanders doesn't seem to be against all labour immigration in totality, but, along with the entire political mainstream, is against unregulated "open borders" immigration
he does indeed seem to do this, and i conceded this point from the very start
These are all things that white rural populists like. It's incredibly hard to disentangle the issues many have with Sanders because so much of it is rooted in the history/behavior of his voting base,. He has been representing the second whitest second most rural state in the US and things like decrying "identity politics" coming out of his mouth are why.
i agree that sanders has bad political instincts on the wording he uses on some of these issues, maybe due to coming from a mostly white state, as you say
The problem is that you can't unite it because the swing voters nationally are people who like government benefits but hate BLM/NAFTA/etc. So they keep waffling back and forth. And since America is doing well and Racism is a luxury good, the GOP dominates.
they can be united if your goal is to try to reach the 50% of the population that doesn't vote, rather than going after fickle swing voters
You've seen the Voter Study Group data, right?they can be united if your goal is to try to reach the 50% of the population that doesn't vote, rather than going after fickle swing voters
i know you have some reservations about this chart that i made and that i always use for my swedesplaining, but there is a lot of the political spectrum that is not catered to by the two big american parties, and i think there is a blue ocean of voters here for the democratic party
so in america, people in the upper right are super happy with the republicans, and those in the lower right are super happy with the democrats
The problem is well... the data explains why that isn't an actual solution. https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publications/2016-elections/political-divisions-in-2016-and-beyond
by increasing the difference in economic policy between the two parties, which is now much too small, and targeting your messaging so that those on the upper (and lower) left are aware of this change
This is where the ugly confluence of economic/social policy comes into play and why winning them over becomes difficult.
this is how you pander to that group when you don't have the courage/political will to do actual meaningful large-scale changes on the economical policy axis
You don't have the political will because these swing voters react to universal policies like these through the racist goggles and see them as handouts to the "other."
obamacare was a decent compromice policy, but hard to explain to people who are not political nerds
(hopefully you see the edit above, it's pretty stark on the UBI stuff as to what's going on)
this was indeed proven 50 years ago
I think he's the only one who can win against the republican machine. The other dems are just too soft spoken, or they restrain themselves because they have to (Clinton). Republicans feed off of that passiveness. Bernie gives no shits and will call out other people on their bullshit right on stage. He attacks like a rabid dog. That's what people like. In a way that's what they liked about Trump: he never backed away from all of his bullshit and instead just doubled down. That projects strength.
I don't think Bernie or any other candidate for the democratic party will convert Trump voters. Or are you suggesting other candidates would be more successful?
UBI, universal basic wealth and racial reparations are extremist policies even in europe. they'd also benefit poor people selectively, so they're more easily attacked as being for "them" rather than for "you", even though they would actually be beneficial for "you"
I think you've misread my post vs the posts I'm responding to. I'm saying they won't be converted
Demographics are changing but the imbalance of the Senate representation, combined with the lesser imbalance of the House representation end up with a government that is far, far whiter (the Median Senate seat is 10% whiter than the national average) than the nation as a whole, which is how you get Trump winning the EC with a 3 million vote minority.
I read the other post as suggesting that there's a larger pool of non-racists that's still not completely tapped compared to 50 years ago. That could be a change in dynamics compared to back then, not that converting racists would be easier.
this is true and a problem
yes maybe, but for selecting what policy to run on, less extreme policy proposals would have made for a more useful poll
i wasn't aware this was a thing. i agree, it's pretty stupid
Check out McElwee's twitter he's got a lot of polling data, this one is just good to cherrypick to make a few points on but there's a lot more actually actionable-in-the-next-decade stuff in there.
i followed him, he seems to be saying a lot of interesting stuff
i have not and would be interested in seeing it, though i can probably imagine what it looks like
McElwee does good work. Is very very much on the far left but actually does try to put his work on paper/work within established confines. (Whoever RustBeltJacobin is on twitter is similarly both leftist/realist in perspective- he had a great thread on how actually canvassing for votes quickly shocked him into reality and altered his worldview) McAlwee one of the first going all in on the Abolish ICE messaging and pushing it hard.
this is pretty staggering
Yeah, you can understand the income part intuitively to a degree even if you're growing up in a well-off/white/etc area. What is much harder to grasp growing up is the legacy of having immigrants as parents/family vs having stolen slaves as your ancestors and just how much that impacts things when you have people starting from scratch rather than benefiting from the legacy thats been passed down. You have to have the numbers smack you in the face.this is pretty staggering
(graph shows $ of black family/worker wealth, income and wage per $100 of white family/worker wealth, income and wage
Same. He's one of the only American politicians I see as not completely corrupted by money and has policy positions similar to that of European countries.
Why? The American people are overwhelming in support of Sanders' policies such as Medicare for all and free college. The thing about Sanders was that he didn't care about traditional Republican vs Democrat nonsense like many people, even on this forum, seem to be. He had the ability to make a republican audience understand why his policies were better because he actually believes in them whereas traditional democrats such as Clinton would write off half the voters before campaigning even starts.
