Daily Beast: Avenatti Assault Accuser Requests Domestic Violence Protection Order

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ZattMurdock

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Which means what for this case and American law?
I don’t have a degree in American law, but like any lawyer would tell you, I know the basics. Like we’ve been talking here and on the other thread, Avenatti was doing a good job of keeping it close to his chest until this blew up. And once he did, he went off the rails. Just see his twitter feed and what he is hinting as “most powerful proof” to understand what I mean. I just find it amusing because any social media savvy person would tell you that that video even with time stamps one day after he went to jail, still could have been posted 24 hours or more prior.

Also, it’s my understanding that cops don’t put people in jail for DV based simply on the accuser’s account. The most damning thing against him is that the LAPD reported the injuries. His defense? A reposted Instagram video by his ex or something. It’s just nuts. Brazil, USA or anywhere, a good D.A. would have a field day with that.
 
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Lets assume he is guilty, this seems like a first offense, what could be the worse he will face?
Financially? He’ll probably be fine. His dreams to run for presidency are pretty much dead tho.




3.1. Penal Code 273.5, corporal injury to a spouse or inhabitant
Penal Code 273.5 makes it illegal to inflict a "corporal injury" that results in even a slight physical injury to an intimate partner.

PC 273.5 is a felony. Possible penalties for a first offense range from one (1) year in county jail to up to four (4) years in California state prison.
He’s probably pleading for a deal tho.
 
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Little bit suspect how people who have just tried to frame the guy who is heading up collusion investigation who completely fucked it up had prior knowledge of the womans situation literally as Avenatti was arrested and not long after he implied he was going to run in 2020.
 
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Little bit suspect how people who have just tried to frame the guy who is heading up collusion investigation who completely fucked it up had prior knowledge of the womans situation literally as Avenatti was arrested and not long after he implied he was going to run in 2020.
I agree on that. Trumpoid guy is a cunt and the FBI should get on his ass, but just like TMZ might have ears in the LAPD, someone like Trumpoid senior which is also a lawyer could have access to information on who the lady is via the criminal record.

At first, I was right there with you all. Of course that Avenatti will have the right of due process, but Occam’s razor leads me to believe that he did engage in DV and screwed up his political career. DV laws in California are tough, but it’s not like he’ll be going to jail for it. It sucks that the guy is an asshole, but it might be a blessing in disguise, better we learn this kind of shit sooner than later.
 

Nerfgun

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ZattMurdock I’ll just throw this in: you are arguing this like you have all of the facts, but you may not. I think you are probably right about Insta videos but you don’t know if this is the only one, or if there is metadata etc. I’m not saying you’re wrong but... caution. We only just for this one video detail from The Hill, there’s sure to be more.
 

F34R

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She seems awfully happy and bruise - free in those pics, I must say. Wohls gloating making this very suspect..
Just because it was posted when it was doesn't mean the actual pictures were taken at that time. Also, makeup. I had a woman come to the police department with her husband to report their dog missing. She looked completely fine, physically. Not a scratch could be seen. When she handed me a note that had her dog info on it, she mouthed "help me". After we got everything sorted, she wiped away her makeup and her face was all bruised up. She had her sister come at night and take their dog so she could convince her husband that had been beating her that she needed to report the dog missing.

Pictures and smiles sometimes don't tell the whole story.
 

Nerokis

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This thread is bizarre.

1). Hill Reporter is not a serious news site, and has no credibility.

2). Wohl has no credibility.

3). Avenatti has very, very slightly more credibility than the aforementioned, but is also severely lacking in that department.

Yet this discussion is swirling around random statements from those three sources...

When you’ve found yourself sorting through the statements of bullshit artists, maybe it’s time to take a step back and just wait for actual developments. It’s amazing to me that Hill Reporter and Wohl are using each other and Avenatti to boost themselves, and people are just buying in.

To make matters worse, some are now scrutinizing the accuser on the basis of Instagram pictures...?

Seriously, chill.
 
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2). Wohl has no credibility.

3). Avenatti has very, very slightly more credibility than the aforementioned, but is also severely lacking in that department.
The gap in credibility between them is vast, not slight. What has Avenetti done in the past that even remotely compares to the scam Wohl tried to pull with the Mueller, let alone everything else in his past?

Not to say I trust Avenetti in this. If I was guilty and wanted to push a cover, I'd absolutely run with with it being manufactured by Wohl.
 

Stouffers

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Just because it was posted when it was doesn't mean the actual pictures were taken at that time. Also, makeup. I had a woman come to the police department with her husband to report their dog missing. She looked completely fine, physically. Not a scratch could be seen. When she handed me a note that had her dog info on it, she mouthed "help me". After we got everything sorted, she wiped away her makeup and her face was all bruised up. She had her sister come at night and take their dog so she could convince her husband that had been beating her that she needed to report the dog missing.

Pictures and smiles sometimes don't tell the whole story.
Not saying I don’t believe you, but I’ve never heard of reporting a missing dog to the police.
 

Nerokis

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The gap in credibility between them is vast, not slight. What has Avenetti done in the past that even remotely compares to the scam Wohl tried to pull with the Mueller, let alone everything else in his past?

Not to say I trust Avenetti in this. If I was guilty and wanted to push a cover, I'd absolutely run with with it being manufactured by Wohl.
Let me re-post this from a previous thread:

Anyone who questions Avenatti's ability to lie in a hard headed fashion should read this NBC article regarding his Kavanaugh claims. Some snippets:

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In the NBC News interview that aired on Oct. 1, Swetnick back-tracked on or contradicted parts of her sworn statement where she alleged she witnessed then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh "cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could then be 'gang raped' in a side room or bedroom by a 'train' of boys."

NBC News also found other apparent inconsistencies in a second sworn statement from another woman whose statement Avenatti provided to the Senate Judiciary Committee in a bid to bolster Swetnick's claims.

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After NBC News received text messages from the woman refuting some of the claims in the declaration, NBC reached out again to Avenatti, who defended the declaration.

"I have no idea what you are talking about," he said in a text. "I have a signed declaration that states otherwise together with multiple audio recordings where she stated exactly what is in the declaration. There were also multiple witnesses to our discussions."

He sent a follow-up message moments later: "I just confirmed with her yet again that everything in the declaration is true and correct," Avenatti said. "She must have been confused by your question."

Roughly five minutes later, the woman sent a formally-worded text backing Avenatti. "Please understand that everything in the declaration is true and you should not contact me anymore regarding this issue," the text read.

But when reached by phone minutes later, the woman again insisted that she never saw Kavanaugh spike punch or act inappropriately toward women. She said she's "been consistent in what she's told Michael."

In a subsequent text on Oct. 5, she wrote, "I will definitely talk to you again and no longer Avenatti. I do not like that he twisted my words."
So...really, who knows what's going on here, but Avenatti is severely lacking in credibility.

Plus, there is stuff like this:

Avenatti has been plagued by disputes with current and former partners. In July 2011 one partner, John O’Malley, sued Avenatti and another partner, Michael Eagan, claiming the two had failed to pay him his portion of partnership fees after forcing him out of the firm. Avenatti and Eagan countered that O’Malley had mismanaged and lied to clients. O’Malley got $2.7 million in a settlement, according to the Los Angeles Times. Neither O’Malley nor Eagan responded to requests for comment. Avenatti declined to comment on the settlement details.

Five years later, Jason Frank, a former nonequity partner at Avenatti’s firm, sued for nearly $15 million in back pay, according to court documents obtained by TIME. Frank also claimed that Avenatti, as managing partner, had failed to provide him with copies of the firm’s tax returns and that it misstated its profits. In February 2017, a month before the arbitration trial was to start, a judicial panel found that the firm had maliciously and fraudulently concealed its revenue numbers.

In December 2017, Avenatti’s firm reached a $10 million settlement with Frank, who agreed to receive less than half that if the first two installments were made on time. They weren’t. On Oct. 22 a California judge ordered Avenatti, who had personally guaranteed the first two payments, to pay Frank $4.85 million. The same day, his firm was evicted from its office in a Newport Beach building for allegedly failing to pay rent for the past four months, according to court documents. Eagan Avenatti still owes Frank $10 million, according to Frank’s attorney, Eric George. Avenatti claims Frank was a disgruntled former employee who had conspired to steal the firm’s clients.
You are correct that Wohl is a unique breed, but Avenatti doesn't get points for contrasting well against him. Rock bottom is rock bottom, and that is more or less where Avenatti's credibility is hovering around.
 

eerik9000

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Who the fuck is Mareli Miniutti, and why can't I find anything about her in the Estonian interwebs while she is claimed to be from Estonia? Mareli sure sounds like it could be an Estonian name, but Miniutti definitely does not.
Okay, can confirm she really is from Estonia. Figured out her real last name as well.
 

Maxim726x

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If Avenatti is guilty of abuse, then he deserves punishment.

However, nonsense like this:


Is suspect as fuck.
Why, all three of these people are trustworthy sources with no discernable motivation to lie! None!

I was leaning towards this being a hit job, now I'm fucking sure it is.

Shit just doesn't seem right. At all.
 

ZackieChan

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Dude, I’m a lawyer and I actually sort of admired the guy prior to this fiasco.
I don’t have a degree in American law, but like any lawyer would tell you, I know the basics.
Like how Obama can legally run for a third term and Chris Evans would make a great president?
You're talking in here like you know everything, when you know just as much as the rest of us. You should chill a bit and wait for actual facts to come out.
 

RoninStrife

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Just because it was posted when it was doesn't mean the actual pictures were taken at that time. Also, makeup. I had a woman come to the police department with her husband to report their dog missing. She looked completely fine, physically. Not a scratch could be seen. When she handed me a note that had her dog info on it, she mouthed "help me". After we got everything sorted, she wiped away her makeup and her face was all bruised up. She had her sister come at night and take their dog so she could convince her husband that had been beating her that she needed to report the dog missing.

Pictures and smiles sometimes don't tell the whole story.
Since 2016, however, or the rise of the Alt-Right, fake news, and not to mention a similar plot involving a woman and a plot to tarnish Mueller when they dug through his life and found nothing illegal to defame him with just a week ago , you have to admit, Wohls Freudian slip of the tongue even when speaking to the hill, there's certainly something fishy, even why that actress nade their IG private when this was reported, I think you should see a bigger picture emerging.
 

cameron

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Even though many people are saying Wohl is a child prodigy who eclipsed Mozart, the narrative that he's the mastermind behind anything is rather goofy.

If Avenatti is innocent, he should really get off twitter and hand over his account to someone who does PR. The Dec 5th court date isn't that far off. Him tweeting a story by the worthless rag that is the Hill Reporter isn't helping. The Krassenstein brothers aren't journalists and they're not your friends. They're Mensch / Tayor tier twitter charlatans. Wohl and the Krassensteins feed off each other's bullshit to gain notoriety.

In the Mueller / Wohl thread, the recent update has an exclusive Hill Reporter interview with the mystery woman Carolyne Cass. At the start of this, instead of going to a respectable press outlet to tell her story, this woman goes to Wohl / Openfly who both have a public history of fraud and a public history of shitting on the #metoo movement. And then after the "press conference", instead of responding to all the legit press outlets that spent days trying to reach her, she goes to Krassenstein brothers to do an exclusive interview. Neat.
 

Wonderment

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So this thread went from an update article from The Daily Beast, to being prosecuted by a Brazilian lawyer who is clearly unfamiliar with US and California legal code, using fuel provided by the tweets of internet illuminati. Let's get back to the original article and tweets from the principals in this incident, please.
 

Volimar

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Since this thread has devolved into baseless accusations and conspiracies we're locking it. If there are developments more concrete than tweets from the parties involved you can make a new thread.
 
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