Brianna has a point? Wisconsin is incredibly racist against Black folks, including Madison. "Allies" are too quick at the hip to blame Black voters for every electoral loss too hahaha.
I am happy with his new majority women of people of color who call out and correct shitty centrist goons on the internet and media who constantly misrepresent him and his policies, absolutely.
Honestly, when I took off my Obama goggles and saw the long history of Biden fuckery and racist tendencies, how does ANYbody consider voting for his sleazy ass. I'd vote 1000 times for Hillary Clinton before I'd cast 1 vote for Joe.
Joe Biden undoubtedly has a spotty record on race. But a Joe Biden presidency will not embolden white supremacists and cause a spike in hate crimes like our current, openly racist president. A Joe Biden presidency won’t have him calling actual Nazis “very fine people”, or associating Mexicans with an infestation, or calling Jews who vote against him “disloyal”, or putting actual white supremacists like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller in the White House.
Yes, me pointing out that a candidate should have surrogates who don't misrepresent a candidate position or cause unforced error is "look at that bitch eating crackers" petty.
To me, you're just downplaying it. Downplaying his past of overt racist actions.
A principled person in that circumstance can decide to not vote for “less racist” over “all racist”. That principled person would have still helped “all racist” win. But hey, at least their ego will be in tact.
all these people apparently more interested in #Resisting Trump rather than relitigating 2016 sure are keen to relitigate 2016 any time their shitty politics are challenged
You cant preach at folks out of one side of your mouth about "helping" (lol) the all racist win, and then be cool when they vote for the mostly racist one.
There's no way a principled person would assist Trump into office for a second term.
It is an ego thing. An actual white supremacist who openly coddles to and emboldens hate groups holds the White House. I’ll take something better in the absence of something ideal every time. Your protest vote would have only been good for helping you feel better during political discussions at parties.
Exactly
thank goodness Biden isn't going to be the nominee so this very morally self-congratulating hypothetical some are desperate for means virtually nothing
Stop acting as though Nina is a neutral party in all this. She's been angry at the Dems since she was picked off the DNC from endorsing Bernie.
Bernie didn't win the Democratic nomination, Hillary did. This isn't about the primaries, it's about the general. Vote for whoever you want in the primaries. Bernie would have a bigger disaster against Trump then Hillary was, too. Outside of Vermont he's had shitty luck getting elected nationally.
Michael Moore didn't know shit about how Trump would win, he didn't see the Russians or Comey coming, either.
What's telling is that after all this you still think the Democrats are bigger adversaries then the GOP are. Once the nominee is chosen, they're who is going to be the next president not enemies. Your other option is the Republican. How are we supposed to be your allies when you only think of us as enemies? No wonder Trump won.
By all means, do you. And maybe let other people vote the way they want, even if it's not exactly what *you* want.
We want Trump to not get elected a second term, I'd have thought you'd agree with that agenda.
Where was Michael Moore wrong?
He did see Michigan coming though, unlike all of the experts in this thread.
I don't want Trump to have a second term, either. I'm not willing to sacrifice my principles by voting for a racist like Biden just to make that happen. So, please, continue with the dumbass "Gee I guess you want Trump to win" shit. I mean, sure, it's horribly disingenuous, but on the upside shaming people for not voting the way you want is also completely ineffective as a persuasive tactic.
You've been amazingly condescending and defense to those making well reasoned arguments against you in this thread. Playing the victim while others try to point out the selfishness of your actions. But by all means stand behind your "principles" instead of doing what would actually be better for the country, as you yourself even admit.
Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin. Even Nate Silver only got one of those right and the others he gave 80% chances of going to Clinton.
Even that aside, I think "Russia and Comey" are some of my least favorite baseless excuses for one of the most embarrassing political losses in all of history
The difference is the strategy so that we dont get Trump again. Some think hes the safe choice. I think hes the most dangerous one. Both because i dont think he will win at all, and because even if he does, we would have President Joe Biden. Both scenarios are a loss in my eyes.
Neither "Russia," nor "Comey" are baseless claims. The latter in particular had a quantifiable effect on the electorate at just about the worst possible time. That being said, these points being the only two things liberals will ever dare cite to discuss the results of the 2016 election is counterproductive and betrays a lack of introspection and unwillingness to cope with why their party is so ineffective.
Maybe because Americans are conservative? Where is the introspection from leftists about why their ideology is so ineffective? Why is everything the evil boogie man DNC keeping the true folk from learning how great Bernie is?
Source on banning rap because of "don't attract people from Chicago"? A google only brings up your post and a bunch of non-relevant noise.
This isn't the article I read last year but they been banning rap: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2...ed-to-violence-than-country-music-or-karaoke/
This is an argument for the primary and one I agree with, which is why I'm not making it - this is about whoever becomes the nominee, who might not be Biden. What if it's Warren, Mayor Booty, Kamala or Beto? Would you sit that out, too? It being a loss is sad, but not the end of this story.
I don't like Biden either, and would prefer many other candidates getting the nomination, but if Biden wins the nomination that's it. You don't get to sit out a reality where Trump or Biden becomes president. You're stuck with them as much as we are, so you may as well vote for the less racist scumbag rather than letting the Nazi waltz into office.
This isn't about Biden, it's about whoever the nominee is and he hasn't won the primaries.
Except you're doing exactly this when the general occurs, and your favourite candidate didn't win. And Biden isn't the nominee! Elections are months from starting up. This isn't about you, this is about the country. Protest voting never achieves anything other than personal satisfaction, which is nonsense when the entire country is on the line with Trump, and other Republican nominees/presidents.
It's not being disingenuous, it's how voting works in the US. Winner take all. It's all I've got since nobody seems that interested in sharing any insights that isn't Bernie being the nominee. With Tulsi being the second best, with Nina.
I personally will vote any of them over Trump. I guess i keep specifying Biden because i hate him most and also dont think others will vote for him in particular.
