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NervousXtian

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What a disingenuous and unfair question to ask someone. Calling out privilege like this is doing the exact opposite of what someone speaking about privilege is even meaning. There's no reason to even ask that question, because there's no correct action to someone basically accusing you of not earning something the same as someone else. It also broadly stereotypes everyone into cultural, gender, class and race roles... when there's no damn monoliths.

Privilege isn't even something that's completely quantifiable.. it just exists and it's role on helping one out or holding one back is dependent on a ton of outside forces. It's like being born with +1 luck in D&D... how that effects things can vary.
 

hendersonhank

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Other than being a child star, which she was not, I would imagine that nothing in the world can prepare someone for the kind of fame and scrutiny that being the lead in Star Wars brings. Completely ridiculous to think that going to fancy schools (or being white lol) would in any way, shape, or form somehow prepare her for this, or give her an advantage with dealing with it compared to somebody from a different background. Nothing in her previous life was analogous to this.
 

tulpa

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I never said it's not a benefit. I said that is one area of privilege, and she was not asked if she benefits from her privilege, she was asked about a very specific area of it. Show me where she was asked if she has benefited from any privilege. She even recognized that she might be wrong, because she's never been asked before.

Again, she fucked up the answer, but the author outright said she denied that she has privilege, which quite literally never happened.

And now it's transforming into "she said she doesn't have any privilege over her black coworker".

You don't see an issue with this?
it was pretty much my reading of the article too, sorry. she was asked about one aspect of privilege, seemed shocked at the concept that she's benefitted from it, and then said she's so similar to Boyega and he grew up on a council flat. i definitely read that as "but we're so alike, how could I be privileged?"
Women are not socialised to be confident. The default of how things are viewed in the world is male, and this happens as soon as girls start school, if not before.
yeah that's a very basic concept that's not difficult to understand

Her private schools would perpertrate the same thing?
sorry but are we really trying to pretend that having the privilege of attending a private performing arts academy isn't going to imbue people with a degree of confidence that gives them a leg up over most other people
It puts her in a better place than a poc women or a lower class women
i'm glad you acknowledge this because the rest of the response doesn't seem to really care for the intersectional angle of this
but it's still not great to ask a question that's basically did your great education and contact prepare you for the viscious assault of internet bullying that was going to happen for being a women in Star Wars?
let's cut the shit. being a multimillionaire film actor is not a disadvantage. it is the actual lap of fucking luxury, even more luxury than her landed gentry family could have provided. get real. no one asked about bullying on social media and yeah that's terrible when it happens but it isn't remotely a reason to act like landing a lead role in Star Wars is some terrible disadvantage. it is a privilege. a massive privilege. and it makes you massively rich. and yes there's social media trolls. lots of people have to deal with social media harassment who don't have publicists, managers, and a dedicated social media team to help insulate them from it.

what reminds me more of the vicious bullying you mention are the people attacking a female journalist of color for daring to ask a hugely successful privileged white actor a question about privilege and trying to paint said journalist as the embodiment of evil and the yellow press in an highly Trumpian manner. she asked a mildly critical question. she got a bad response. that's it.
 

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Can someone explain how being upper middle class and going to boarding school is SUPPOSED to make you better equipped to deal with fame?

The type of people you meet and mingle with in a British Boarding school go on to be among the top 2% of the population in terms of wealth. You literally learn how to manage certain situations and operate in rooms with higher class people.

 

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Girls landed gentry on one side and had a celebrity on the other. It's not that odd of a question lol. It's not even a hard question. If anything this question was a gimme for Ridley, she just fumbled.
 
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yes it was. confidence is a benefit. and people really denying that privilege helps build confidence and marginalization contributes to a lack of confidence... wild. people putting wHiTe pRiViLeGe in mocking letters like it doesn't exist.

"yeah i totally acknowledge that i benefit from my background and that's why i want to help elevate other people that didn't have the same help."

some of y'all are acting like that's really rocket science lmao
I just feel saying you feel guilty about how much privilege you have does nothing without additional action. You feeling bad doesn't change anything and I doubt Daisy Ridley had any plans to help anyone do anything because she didn't even recognize the privilege she had. So other people agreeing with here privilege exists, how would the results be any different? Personally I don't feel like this is the place to attack white privilege but that's my opinion.
 

excelsiorlef

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it was pretty much my reading of the article too, sorry. she was asked about one aspect of privilege, seemed shocked at the concept that she's benefitted from it, and then said she's so similar to Boyega and he grew up on a council flat. i definitely read that as "but we're so alike, how could I be privileged?"

"We're alike in how we navigate Star Wars fame, so how did a posh upbringing make this specifically easier?"
 

thesoapster

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Can someone explain how being upper middle class and going to boarding school is SUPPOSED to make you better equipped to deal with fame? Who even asks that?

The surprising answer would have been yes, to be honest.

Anyway, thanks, journalist, for throwing another spanner in the works for the genuine privilege debate. Thanks.

This is my feeling. It's very possible that Ridley is somewhat blind to her privilege and whatnot, but that's not what the interviewer asked, and the author is behaving in such a trashy manner on social media. Like, we got it - you think you owned a celebrity or whatever.
 

Tbm24

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The type of people you meet and mingle with in a British Boarding school go on to be among the top 2% of the population in terms of wealth. You literally learn how to manage certain situations and operate in rooms with higher class people.

That doesn't really say anything with regards to her experience in school? Like it's just an assumption that she rubbed shoulders with the very elite of those attending the school?
 

antonz

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I doubt there is much school or class privilege can do to prepare Daisy for things such as "Die Whore you are ruining star wars!" and a million variants of that
 

tulpa

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I just feel saying you feel guilty about how much privilege you have does nothing without additional action. You feeling bad doesn't change anything and I doubt Daisy Ridley had any plans to help anyone do anything because she didn't even recognize the privilege she had.
sure, i'm not saying she should just say that just to say that and obviously she couldn't have said that if she wasn't even aware of how privileged she is. that's the answer she would have given if she actually knew her privilege and appreciated it.

but maybe now after this very mild public criticism, she'll go away and think about the concept of privilege and understand how it's benefited her in all sorts of ways. but booooo evil journalist! don't ask our QUEEN such horrible questions! she was in movie!!!!! that means we have to defend her on the internet
 

excelsiorlef

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Do you think going to a rich school made it easier for you to tell your friends not to tweet photos you when you're out with them because it will tell millions of fans where you are?
 

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That doesn't really say anything with regards to her experience in school? Like it's just an assumption that she rubbed shoulders with the very elite of those attending the school?

Not really an assumption. People that go to private school learn the skill set to operate in Environments that the average person would struggle with. Most people go on to do top jobs in all industries and essentially become part of the elite... which she is apart of.
 

Tbm24

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sure, i'm not saying she should just say that just to say that and obviously she couldn't have said that if she wasn't even aware of how privileged she is. that's the answer she would have given if she actually knew her privilege and appreciated it.

but maybe now after this very mild public criticism, she'll go away and think about the concept of privilege and understand how it's benefited her in all sorts of ways. but booooo evil journalist! don't ask our QUEEN such horrible questions! she was in movie!!!!! that means we have to defend her on the internet
Journalist's can be criticized and should be, what's the problem?

Not really an assumption. People that go to private school learn the skill set to operate in Environments that the average person would struggle with. Most people go on to do top jobs in all industries and essentially become part of the elite... which she is apart of.

I feel like this is an rather large generalization of the private school experience. Granted my private school experience is likely quite different, that wasn't at all my experience with it and many of my peers.
 

tulpa

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Do you think going to a rich school made it easier for you to tell your friends not to tweet photos you when you're out with them because it will tell millions of fans where you are?
we're back to "being a successful multimillionaire actor actually makes you disadvantaged, guys."
Journalist's can be criticized and should be, what's the problem?
just like how rich privileged actors can and should be criticized but people always jump to the actors defense and shit all over the journalists hmm wonder why
 

TheModestGun

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This is such a bad gotcha style question. More specifically in the way it was phrased. Privelage has many effects that are abstract and hard to quantify, but I think it's absurd to phrase such a loaded ass question to imply that magically she would have more "confidence" because she grew up in a well off family and being white.

confidence has many many facets and white privilege doesn't necessarily mean you are confident.

it also ignores any sort of intersectionality... like say... her being a woman, and all of the odious shit that women have to deal with in working in the entertainment business.

I think the interview question is complete bullshit in its phrasing and very poorly thought out.
 

Tbm24

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we're back to "being a successful multimillionaire actor actually makes you disadvantaged, guys."

same as rich privileged actors but people always jump to the actors defense and shit all over the journalists hmm wonder why
I see people jumping to the defense of the journalist here as well, you being a part of that. Are you upset people aren't ONLY jumping to the defense of the journalist? Is it unfair to criticize the journalist's twitter behavior and mis-characterization of their own interview?
 

excelsiorlef

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we're back to "being a successful multimillionaire actor actually makes you disadvantaged, guys."

What?

No it's literally the context which in the question that was posed

This was literally in context of how she was asked about privilege. If her posh schooling made it easier for her to set boundaries after becoming Star Wars famous
 

Falldog

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The type of people you meet and mingle with in a British Boarding school go on to be among the top 2% of the population in terms of wealth. You literally learn how to manage certain situations and operate in rooms with higher class people.


Pretty much. The key point for me is the interviewer's clarification here:

"Well, I say, in terms of wealth, class, education – that kind of privilege, in knowing how to decode the rules in certain spaces. As a caveat, I add that both of us have privilege, and it's not a criticism; I was simply curious to know what she thought. Things take an awkward turn."

Coming from a higher social class will always make it easier to navigate upper/middle class spaces, which the entertainment industry (especially in Britain) absolutely is. The class ceiling is a real thing.

By the same token though, I don't think it's fair to paint the interview as "actor denies having privilege".
 
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Less of an what but how you answer....being defensive on these kind of questions in 2019 seems a bit weird to me and is never a good look.

Even if the question was asked in bad faith....thats something you should be able to navigate in this day and age.
I can understand that but it feels like a "woke" gotcha question to a person that probably had never thought about it nor had plans to do anything about it. A better question would be " Due to the privilege you have been fortunate enough to receive, do you feel a responsibility to help those less fortunate than you? Do you think your privilege has allows you to better navigate being famous?" The trick to privilege is that a lot of people that benifit from it don't realize it. So if you ask them if they think it helps they are going to be confused and defensive. That's not ok, but it's about what you actually want to discuss when you ask the question. Do you want a good answer or to shock the person you are interviewing?
 

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You were offended at people laughing at a guy shitting himself in traffic.
No, I was calling out the OP by saying "really, how hard is it to not shit your pants as an adult."

I wasn't offended. I just thought that particular phrase was stupid. Laugh all you want about pants shitting. Like I said in that thread, all you can do is laugh about it. Even when the underlying cause of such mishaps is actually serious.
 
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sure, i'm not saying she should just say that just to say that and obviously she couldn't have said that if she wasn't even aware of how privileged she is. that's the answer she would have given if she actually knew her privilege and appreciated it.

but maybe now after this very mild public criticism, she'll go away and think about the concept of privilege and understand how it's benefited her in all sorts of ways. but booooo evil journalist! don't ask our QUEEN such horrible questions! she was in movie!!!!! that means we have to defend her on the internet
True this was a chance for education, but the way she was asked seemed designed to get a sound bite, or explosive quote, not actually discuss privilege.
 

Surfinn

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it was pretty much my reading of the article too, sorry. she was asked about one aspect of privilege, seemed shocked at the concept that she's benefitted from it, and then said she's so similar to Boyega and he grew up on a council flat. i definitely read that as "but we're so alike, how could I be privileged?"
How is the takeaway here "I don't have any privilege"? Do we really think that would be her answer if asked? That's what the author is literally saying. That is intellectually dishonest. It's not what she said or even implied, and she never said her and Boyega don't have any different privilege.
 
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Other than being a child star, which she was not, I would imagine that nothing in the world can prepare someone for the kind of fame and scrutiny that being the lead in Star Wars brings. Completely ridiculous to think that going to fancy schools (or being white lol) would in any way, shape, or form somehow prepare her for this, or give her an advantage with dealing with it compared to somebody from a different background. Nothing in her previous life was analogous to this.

Yep. If it were framed in terms of having access to such opportunities in life, etc., that brought her to that point, I see the argument. But fame is an altogether different animal.
 

Nerokis

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for both interviewers and interviewees, it's easy to stumble around questions like this, and my main takeaway from this interview is that it absolutely can be beneficial to do some priming, to lay some groundwork, in advance of asking one

Daisy Ridley clearly had some difficulty navigating the specific questioning away from the personal and to the larger picture of privilege issues, which is unfortunate enough, but the interviewer's framing of all this is a little too babe.net-y
 

tulpa

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This was literally in context of how she was asked about privilege. If her posh schooling made it easier for her to set boundaries after becoming Star Wars famous
no. it's so weird how people in this thread are attacking the journalist for "mischaracterizing" the answer (which I don't think she did) when y'all are mischaracterizing the question. she asked if privilege helped provide her with confidence and if it helped with "knowing how to decode the rules in certain spaces." she didn't ask anything about setting boundaries. let's be truthful and not mislead people here.

and there's mountains of evidence that privilege and private school education helps grow confidence and social skills that publicly-educated pupils don't have. this piece from the Guardian cites a study by the Sutton Trust demonstrating just that:


How is the takeaway here "I don't have any privilege"? Do we really think that would be her answer if asked? That's what the author is literally saying. That is intellectually dishonest. It's not what she said or even implied, and she never said her and Boyega don't have any different privilege.

here's the quote: "Well, I say, in terms of wealth, class, education – that kind of privilege, in knowing how to decode the rules in certain spaces. As a caveat, I add that both of us have privilege, and it's not a criticism; I was simply curious to know what she thought. Things take an awkward turn.

"Well no, because, no… " There is a very long and tense pause, before she insists that, actually, there is little difference between her experience and that of her co-star John Boyega, who grew up in south London to British Nigerian immigrant parents. "John grew up on a council estate in Peckham and I think me and him are similar enough that… no."

sorry, I absolutely read that as her responding to a question asking whether she has class privilege by saying well, Boyega and I are so similar, so no, I don't think so. I absolutely saw that as a denial of privilege. if you don't, well, sorry. but it's a perfectly understandable take on that response and there's no excuse for this Trumpian attack the journalist for asking an uncomfortable question crap as a response to her having an interpretation of a quote you disagree with
 

Keldroc

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"I ask if she thinks it has been easier to be confident and navigate her celebrity because of the privilege in her life"

This is a super weird way to bring up privilege, you think that's a common question to ask someone?

Yeah, the privilege that I got from my grandfather being an engineer for the BCC gave me more confident to tackle being an unknown one day to being the star of Star Wars the next. Like, come on.

It's such a word question.

Yeah it's a really dumb question, and the only purpose is to create controversy. The only uncontroversial answer is "Yes." No further explanation, no nothing, just agree with the interviewer. Anything else gets you headlines like this. It's literally a clickbait question.

I mean clearly she had no idea how to answer it and has never thought about this subject at all, but she's hardly unique in that. And further, we still don't know if her career will even be anything after these movies. Star Wars has hardly been a roadmap to success for actors in the past.
 

rras1994

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it was pretty much my reading of the article too, sorry. she was asked about one aspect of privilege, seemed shocked at the concept that she's benefitted from it, and then said she's so similar to Boyega and he grew up on a council flat. i definitely read that as "but we're so alike, how could I be privileged?"

yeah that's a very basic concept that's not difficult to understand


sorry but are we really trying to pretend that having the privilege of attending a private performing arts academy isn't going to imbue people with a degree of confidence that gives them a leg up over most other people

i'm glad you acknowledge this because the rest of the response doesn't seem to really care for the intersectional angle of this

let's cut the shit. being a multimillionaire film actor is not a disadvantage. it is the actual lap of fucking luxury, even more luxury than her landed gentry family could have provided. get real. no one asked about bullying on social media and yeah that's terrible when it happens but it isn't remotely a reason to act like landing a lead role in Star Wars is some terrible disadvantage. it is a privilege. a massive privilege. and it makes you massively rich. and yes there's social media trolls. lots of people have to deal with social media harassment who don't have publicists, managers, and a dedicated social media team to help insulate them from it.

what reminds me more of the vicious bullying you mention are the people attacking a female journalist of color for daring to ask a hugely successful privileged white actor a question about privilege and trying to paint said journalist as the embodiment of evil and the yellow press in an highly Trumpian manner. she asked a mildly critical question. she got a bad response. that's it.
You do realise we are talking about a question wbout how a priviledged background makes you confident to deal with fame? The whole question is comparing two successful multimillionaire actors.... both who has to deal with a lot of shit for being minorites. "Social media bullying" my arse, it was discrimination based on racism and sexism for both of them, the moeny and success doesn't make it better, and there ain't no "confidence" that protects you from being teared down for seomething you have no control over.

And no, private education does not protect you from the socialisation of women in society. Strong, confident, capable women are seen as arrogant, brash, stuck up, a bitch ... so many negative words.

If the question was that her priviledged background of being white and upper class helped her get to her position, then yeah, duh it would, being white and upper class undoubtedly gives her many opportunities others don't have. But the question whether it would make her confident enough to deal with the fame of Star Wars, when the fame of Star Wars led to dealing with horrible sexism discrimination. yeah, no. There ain't no confidence learnt to deal with that sort of thing. Specifically when being confident is treated as a gaint negetive when being a women and backfires so badly.
 

Mr. Sam

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The most baffling thing in this thread is people behaving like this is a bear trap of a question when it was the most underarm throw possible. It's basically, "Here, Daisy, have an opportunity to espouse some progressive politics" and she just fell flat on her face.
 

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no. it's so weird how people in this thread are attacking the journalist for "mischaracterizing" the answer (which I don't think she did) when y'all are mischaracterizing the question. she asked if privilege helped provide her with confidence and if it helped with "knowing how to decode the rules in certain spaces." she didn't ask anything about setting boundaries. let's be truthful and not mislead people here.

and there's mountains of evidence that privilege and private school education helps grow confidence and social skills that publicly-educated pupils don't have. this piece from the Guardian cites a study by the Sutton Trust demonstrating just that:




here's the quote: "Well, I say, in terms of wealth, class, education – that kind of privilege, in knowing how to decode the rules in certain spaces. As a caveat, I add that both of us have privilege, and it's not a criticism; I was simply curious to know what she thought. Things take an awkward turn.

"Well no, because, no… " There is a very long and tense pause, before she insists that, actually, there is little difference between her experience and that of her co-star John Boyega, who grew up in south London to British Nigerian immigrant parents. "John grew up on a council estate in Peckham and I think me and him are similar enough that… no."

sorry, I absolutely read that as her responding to a question asking whether she has class privilege by saying well, Boyega and I are so similar, so no, I don't think so. I absolutely saw that as a denial of privilege. if you don't, well, sorry. but it's a perfectly understandable take on that response and there's no excuse for this Trumpian attack the journalist for asking an uncomfortable question crap as a response to her having an interpretation of a quote you disagree with

Thank you.
 

excelsiorlef

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no. it's so weird how people in this thread are attacking the journalist for "mischaracterizing" the answer (which I don't think she did) when y'all are mischaracterizing the question. she asked if privilege helped provide her with confidence and if it helped with "knowing how to decode the rules in certain spaces." she didn't ask anything about setting boundaries. let's be truthful and not mislead people here.

A huge chunk of the preceding conversation was about how becoming Star Wars famous made her aggressively set boundaries with her friends
 

tulpa

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And no, private education does not protect you from the socialisation of women in society. Strong, confident, capable women are seen as arrogant, brash, stuck up, a bitch ... so many negative words.
bullshit. if you think privately educated wealthy women have no socialization advantage over economically disadvantaged women, you don't just have zero understanding of intersectional feminism, you have no understanding of the statistical evidence out there and the research on whether private schooling gives people confidence/character trait advantages has already been linked multiple times in the thread. i don't have to keep trying to educate people who refuse to listen and learn
 

excelsiorlef

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The thing is Ridley went from literally an unknown to the protagonist in Star Wars.

It's really weird to attach the class privilege discussion to navigating that.
 

rras1994

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bullshit. if you think privately educated wealthy women have no socialization advantage over economically disadvantaged women, you don't just have zero understanding of intersectional feminism, you have no understanding of the statistical evidence out there and the research on whether private schooling gives people confidence/character trait advantages has already been linked multiple times in the thread. i don't have to keep trying to educate people who refuse to listen and learn
I went to grammer school mate (cus I passed my 11+, my family ain't rich or anything), and I ended up going to one of the best schools in my area, I ain't more confident the women I know who didn't go to grammer school ( we don't really have private schools in Northern Ireland, I think grammer is closests). But all the men I know get away with being alot more "confident" being brash and argumentitive, in both personel and professional lifes, without any negative consequences. While I'm in a male dominated industry and have to be polite and concilliatory the majority of the time because I'd come off bitchy otherwise. Do not tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. You are acting like society awards women for being confident - it doesn't. It doesn't award them for being timid either but you get less backlash.
The thing is Ridley went from literally an unknown to the protagonist in Star Wars.

It's really weird to attach the class privilege discussion to navigating that.
Yeah, you can absolutely attach it to her getting to that position, whether it helps dealing with being a female protag in Star Wars with all that entails is.... I dunno. Just weird.
 

Alienous

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The most baffling thing in this thread is people behaving like this is a bear trap of a question when it was the most underarm throw possible. It's basically, "Here, Daisy, have an opportunity to espouse some progressive politics" and she just fell flat on her face.

No, it was asking a question presuming there's an objective answer. The question: do you think your privileged upbringing made it easier for you to navigate your celebrity. Her response (in essence): I don't think so. My confidence is similar to John Boyega's, and he didn't have that upbringing. I think this other factor is the reason.

It seems like an honest answer to me. Privileged people have handled celebrity poorly, so maybe she's correct not to credit her upbringing for her confidence. Having accomplished relatives could create more pressure than assuredness.
 

tulpa

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I went to grammer school mate (cus I passed my 11+, my family ain't rich or anything), and I ended up going to one of the best schools in my area, I ain't more confident the women I know who didn't go to grammer school ( we don't really have private schools in Northern Ireland, I think grammer is closests).
wow, your anecdotal evidence erases the statistical findings, you're right
But all the men I know get away with being alot more "confident" being brash and argumentitive, in both personel and professional lifes, without any negative consequences
no one said it erases the advantage men have
You are acting like society awards women for being confident - it doesn't.
quote a single thing i've said that's anything remotely like that
 

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Just days before, however, she was confronted by the darker side of the celebrity industrial complex. "I was followed home by someone in a van, this fucking paparazzi person." Ridley appears shaken and I say that, as awful as her experience was, it seems preferable to being trailed by a psychotic stalker. "But is it? Is it better? Is it even different? I was still by myself and being followed wherever I went and they now have the number plate of the car I was in... That's where it's more scary as a woman. I have to be so vigilant with security and keeping myself safe. It's horrid."

Just as disconcerting to Ridley is the way in which she began questioning her psyche and second-guessing her self-preservation instincts. "I kept thinking, 'Am I being a drama queen? Am I paranoid?'" she recalls, her eyes welling up with tears she doesn't allow to spill over. "I wasn't. It was real. It was fucking real and scary."

The world is a cyclone," Ridley says. "See? Everything out there" – she waves her hand around and at the outside – "is the cyclone. And then there's the solid thing at the centre of it all." Ridley is describing her most recent tattoo (located somewhere on her torso; it's not for public display): swirling winds around a star. "That solid star is my family.
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The reasons she left Instagram were personal, not political. She had "a lot of growing up to do". She wasn't equipped to handle the pressure to perform in public and share her life via posts. She needed privacy, online and off. Wherever she went, photographers chased her, people gawked at her, interrupted her meals and conversations to ask for photos. The fact this could have been predicted didn't make it any less painful for Ridley, who was crippled by the scrutiny and continuously felt anxious, self-conscious, cornered. No sooner had she moved into a new flat than a pair of fans found her, knocked on her door and pressed her to take a photo. She would phone her mother in a crying jag, saying, "I'm not equipped to deal with this!" with alarming regularity. She began therapy, which helped.

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In every way, Ridley was a victim of her success: it had bred the anxiety that wracked her body and it left her in a state of exhaustion from overwork. She had heeded the advice Abrams gave her while making The Force Awakens. "He said, 'Take your time choosing your next job. People will offer you things, but just wait till the film comes out.' That was amazing advice.


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Amid the routines of home, Ridley found other forms of normalcy beginning to return. "I started going on the Tube again. And I was like, 'You know what? The world didn't stop turning. It's really fine.' It was everybody else making me feel like this was terrifying that made it so terrifying." She is also able to speak out when she needs to and advocate for herself. "For so long, I was so scared to say to anyone, 'It's not all good all the time.' Because you know what? It's not all good all the time. I can say that now. Say no. Now I think I'm very nicely balanced."
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"There are people that are never going to fuckin' like it and there's no other way around it," she says. "But I think people are going to feel like this was made with a lot of love and JJ worked really hard to tie up nine films. It's impossible to make everyone happy.

"Some of the shit people have said to me about Star Wars you wouldn't believe," she says. "I have had people say to me, 'I mean, it wasn't a great film, was it?' I'm like, that's just bad manners. That's fuckin' not nice."

Ridley shrugs. She knows her calls for civility will only do so much. But she seems much more confident in her ability to cope. Since the most recent trailer was released, she's felt an awakening; the paparazzi and selfie seekers have returned with a vengeance. "There has definitely been quite a shift in being recognised. It's taken me back, but in a new, more intense way," she says, then she winks. "I'm navigating it."

 

rras1994

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wow, your anecdotal evidence erases the statistical findings, you're right

no one said it erases the advantage men have

quote a single thing i've said that's anything remotely like that
You're the one saying that private schools would teach women to be more confident. I'd argue that the whole of society teaching women not to be confident, and the private schools while having better resources and connections which absolutely give you much more advantages doesn't mean they aren't teaching the same sort of material and assumptions that make women less confident. It's a big assumption that private schools don't have the same sexism as state schools. And where in the thread or the article are people comparing her to other women? They are comparing her to a black man from a lower class background and how they deal with confidence in the face of fame which is such a weird question to begin with cus fame is them having to deal with shitty people being racist and sexist. No educatiion background makes that better.
 

Dyle

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She worded it in a strange way, in large part because the question itself was poorly phrased, but the substance of the answer is perfectly fine. No amount of social privilege can prepare someone for becoming a global celebrity overnight
 

legend166

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It's a weird question because there's plenty of working class people who obtain fame and are able to avoid some if its trappings, and there's plenty of people from a privileged background who obtain fame and stumble at every single thing it brings.
 

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What does privilege have to do with confidence?

Nobody knows what confidence or self esteem is, for most its about not letting your ego and or pride down

Confidence is knowing that you're not perfect. That you're vulnerable and whatnot. Adam Driver was confident in his answer, whereas Daisy tried her best understanding the context behind the question ... private schools don't make people confident.
 

tulpa

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You're the one saying that private schools would teach women to be more confident
i'm not the one saying that. the research demonstrates that and it's already been linked in the thread multiple times.
I'd argue that the whole of society teaching women not to be confident, and the private schools while having better resources and connections which absolutely give you much more advantages
ok so you acknowledge what i'm saying is true. literally don't understand what the issue is at this point
doesn't mean they aren't teaching the same sort of material and assumptions that make women less confident
no one is saying that it erases all other societal factors or completely eliminates gender disadvantages. literally just saying it creates a benefit over women who didn't have that kind of privilege. that's it.
It's a big assumption that private schools don't have the same sexism as state schools
no one said that and the level to which you're reaching and making up things i never said is kinda tiring at this point
They are comparing her to a black man from a lower class background
Ridley's the one who initiated the comparison to Boyega, not the journalist
 

BowieZ

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The most baffling thing in this thread is people behaving like this is a bear trap of a question when it was the most underarm throw possible. It's basically, "Here, Daisy, have an opportunity to espouse some progressive politics" and she just fell flat on her face.
So? It's baffling that it's threadworthy then. It's just a crappy answer to a crappy question.
 

UltraMagnus

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I don't really think anyone in the casting department cared about what school she went to so it's kind of a "gotcha" question.

If there was privilege in her getting the role and even Boyega and Issac getting their roles, it's because they're relatively good looking people to begin with. Which goes for about 95% of actors. She ain't getting cast if she looked like this, I don't care how many private schools she went to or how posh of an upbringing she had.

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Surfinn

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no. it's so weird how people in this thread are attacking the journalist for "mischaracterizing" the answer (which I don't think she did) when y'all are mischaracterizing the question. she asked if privilege helped provide her with confidence and if it helped with "knowing how to decode the rules in certain spaces." she didn't ask anything about setting boundaries. let's be truthful and not mislead people here.

and there's mountains of evidence that privilege and private school education helps grow confidence and social skills that publicly-educated pupils don't have. this piece from the Guardian cites a study by the Sutton Trust demonstrating just that:




here's the quote: "Well, I say, in terms of wealth, class, education – that kind of privilege, in knowing how to decode the rules in certain spaces. As a caveat, I add that both of us have privilege, and it's not a criticism; I was simply curious to know what she thought. Things take an awkward turn.

"Well no, because, no… " There is a very long and tense pause, before she insists that, actually, there is little difference between her experience and that of her co-star John Boyega, who grew up in south London to British Nigerian immigrant parents. "John grew up on a council estate in Peckham and I think me and him are similar enough that… no."

sorry, I absolutely read that as her responding to a question asking whether she has class privilege by saying well, Boyega and I are so similar, so no, I don't think so. I absolutely saw that as a denial of privilege. if you don't, well, sorry. but it's a perfectly understandable take on that response and there's no excuse for this Trumpian attack the journalist for asking an uncomfortable question crap as a response to her having an interpretation of a quote you disagree with
The portion preceding this:

I ask if she thinks it has been easier to be confident and navigate her celebrity because of the privilege in her life – of boarding school, her upbringing and so on? Ridley is suddenly incredulous.

Let me ask a question: do you think if Daisy were asked "do you have any privilege?", she would say "No"?

Jumping to that conclusion (and characterizing the interview in this way on Twitter) based off of the premise of this question is absurd and dishonest.

Again, it's a shitty answer, but so is "she says she has no privilege"