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Dangen Entertainment Robbing Indie Devs? (Updates Threadmarked)
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I am not defending them. I am pointing out that people here should have realistic expectations how long communication takes once the lawyers come in.
I don't see how that statement is 'downplaying' anything, what's alleged here sounds even worse than the bad shit Nicalis and its president were doing.
I wouldn't be shocked if Nicalis is similarly incompetent but we simply haven't heard about it.
The big difference between the two companies is that Nicalis fell ass-backwards into some really successful games, whereas Dangen has yet to release anything even close to as popular as Cave Story, Isaac, etc so one could presume Nicalis is much better resourced and therefore better able to scare people out of talking.
The big difference between the two companies is that Nicalis fell ass-backwards into some really successful games, whereas Dangen has yet to release anything even close to as popular as Cave Story, Isaac, etc so one could presume Nicalis is much better resourced and therefore better able to scare people out of talking.
Damn.
Devil Engine is awesome, I still need to buy the Switch version but I was waiting for Ignition... is it going to happen? Hopefully self-published or under someone else...
Oh but we did my friend, we did
Try a Google Search and you'd be surprised how much shit we know
Devil Engine is awesome, I still need to buy the Switch version but I was waiting for Ignition... is it going to happen? Hopefully self-published or under someone else...
Oh but we did my friend, we did
Try a Google Search and you'd be surprised how much shit we know
We knew it wouldn't be long before Dangen apologists showed up.
Them ghosting developers, especially for such long lengths of time as they did, very likely in itself caused large financial shenanigans. On top of that Tyrone was incredibly abusive towards employees. There's apparently even more stories that didn't get out there about how terrible Nicalis/Tyrone is.
My point is more that it'd be better if this didn't turn into some competition of which is the worse company though. Because that's bound to downplay the terrible actions of one or the other.
This pretty much, Such a weird take from that poster. But they did say they know someone involded personally so we shouldn't be surprised.
New threadmark? Anyone find any tweets about this?Huh, Medium page is gone...
There's no evidence of financial impropriety on the level of this Dangen shit, not even close. Again, no part of me doubts Nicalis is any less incompetent but nobody's leaked anything about any one of this games that's nearly as indictable as what was shown here, and it's probably because Nicalis can credibly force an NDA.
It's pretty easy to still get the text, but the real receipts are in the pictures. All I've got saved is this one
All the text is cached on Google, but here's a pastebin https://pastebin.com/Y1em02dr
Edit: The Google cache was taken down minutes after I grabbed the text.
All the text is cached on Google, but here's a pastebin https://pastebin.com/Y1em02dr
Edit: The Google cache was taken down minutes after I grabbed the text.
It's pretty easy to still get the text, but the real receipts are in the pictures. All I've got saved is this one
All the text is cached on Google, but here's a pastebin https://pastebin.com/Y1em02dr
Edit: The Google cache was taken down minutes after I grabbed the text.
Some of the pictures are available in this translation of the article:
like even if everyone agreed that that developer was being toxic (and I do believe they are, while it seems a lot of this thread doesn't agree) - when the head of your company is at bare minimum engaging in sexual harassment of outside partners, I don't think you get to say thing one about anyone else being toxic to you
Now that Dangen's shown they'll flex their muscle in order to get stories taken down, I don't expect any reputable outlets to cover this story in any detail, especially if Dangen doesn't offer a public rebuttal.
I'm at least glad it's archived. I was a bit nervous that the removed article meant this would be swept under in some way but it's more than likely for legal reasons... Kinda worried it would get removed, but I still hope the developers win in the end.
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Did they really think getting the medium post pulled would prevent the info from spreading? First of all that's hilarious that they think they can censor something like this, but more importantly:
The fact that Ben Judd/Dangen had the article taken down just confirms that the emails are real.
Lol
The fact that Ben Judd/Dangen had the article taken down just confirms that the emails are real.
Lol
Almost like a mini-Streisand effect.
Hopefully a more concrete statement comes back from Dangen Entertainment however crisis management doesn't seem to be their strong suit. It's gone from indie developers not being paid in time/at all, to sexual harassment communications and company-wide levels of incompetence and negligence.
Hopefully a more concrete statement comes back from Dangen Entertainment however crisis management doesn't seem to be their strong suit. It's gone from indie developers not being paid in time/at all, to sexual harassment communications and company-wide levels of incompetence and negligence.
They got money for lawyers but not devs
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I'm about halfway through this article and I'm screaming in horror at my television
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I'm about halfway through this article and I'm screaming in horror at my television
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nothing says i'm not guilty like legally silencing the people making accusations
i will not be supporting this company
i will not be supporting this company
I'm sure it'll blow up this week. It might just be having trouble gaining traction because this is a pub who's games tend to be very small, with their most notable success (crosscode, Iconoclasts) being games they are 1 of like 4 credited publishers (so I imagine they just published them in specific regions or something).
So they deleted the article before putting out a proper statement? Seems bs, really sad to see their strategy working so far
This is addressed in the article. They only localized those games for Japan (Asia?).
Medium article backup/archive
Did they really think getting the medium post pulled would prevent the info from spreading? First of all that's hilarious that they think they can censor something like this, but more importantly:
The fact that Ben Judd/Dangen had the article taken down just confirms that the emails are real.
Lol
Yep, this just cements that this is real. Welp not supporting these guys anymore.
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Yeah, Well.
Personally I was not paid for months when I first started there and there were a number of late payments afterwards but I know many more instances. Mostly freelancers but devs too.
Also there was more than just ghosting, they purposely try to sabotage people and don't forget different types of physical abuse which were hinted at in the article; or giving people faulty info so they get lost and then try to abandon them in a foreign country or other convoluted crazy shit. Like he purposely tried to make me miss my flight home from Japan and he's done it to others.
A significant portion of the worst of what N*cal*s has done was not published to protect people (because of the vindictiveness but also because they are legally bound), not to mention all of the people who weren't even contacted for the Kotaku article or refused to speak out of fear. It doubly sucks as well that some of the people screwed by N*cal*s went to Dangen after they were fucked over.
Needless to say N*cal*s has not changed since the article went up and is still messing people around. Though hopefully no one new.
It's fascinating to me that we are now also at the point of Dangen trying to silence evidence, and still not a single media outlet gives a shit about reporting it.
I shouldn't be surprised, gaming media is mostly toothless at the best of times, but I'm still disappointed.
I shouldn't be surprised, gaming media is mostly toothless at the best of times, but I'm still disappointed.
That's terrible to hear if not surprising. It was pretty clear Nicalis (Tyrone) was scum but it sounds like there's so much more that hasn't come out yet, I'm sorry you had to go through all of it.
To be fair, actual quality journalism takes time. It needs to be researched, people need to be interviewed, facts need to be checked, etc. (and a lot of this stuff unfolded over the weekend). If you're hoping for one of those rare cases of actually worthwhile, critical games journalism, you should have at least a little bit of patience. If another week or so passes and there's still nothing, then I'd start being worried.
Fuck all these shitty people behind these publishers. Ugh, sorry you had to deal with that.
Good to see that they won't get away with this just being an English Internet thing, considering most of their clients are probably Japanese and would otherwise be oblivious to all of this.
I'm usually big on decorum and conducting oneself professionally, but if these allegations are true, Dangen seems to be maliciously incompetent and lazy. I can't fault that developer for behaving in the way they did after dealing with nonstop nonsense and having the publishing rights of their game held ransom without even being paid in a timely manner.