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So... Is this a thread where anything in defense of Vavra will get banned? Or is it possible to have opposing views?
Just asking.
Your opposing views belong in the sewer dickhead.
So... Is this a thread where anything in defense of Vavra will get banned? Or is it possible to have opposing views?
Just asking.
because its criticism of something that's not in the game, versus something that's in the gameWhy not? There were non-whites in the area at the time, historians mostly agree on that. Historians don't have a consensus as to if there were black people there at the time, but it's theoretically possible. The thing is they hammered down the "historical accuracy" reasoning when there isn't really a historically accurate unanimity.
So all I'm getting from this (and believe me, I knew everything you said already) is that there is no meaningful distinction that tells me I shouldnt be able to call him that. I don't see the moral difference in ideology of only wanting to eliminate non-whites or also whites who look a bit different from you.it's not even a accurate erm
Nazi's weren't white supremaicsts, in fact the category of "whiteness" was meaningless to them. They were ethnically and spiritually German nationalists. They hated the Slavic people who we would deem white today
now Neo-Nazis today are more of what you would call white supremacists
The overall story and gameworld are unsurprisingly white straight males who do important stuff which is inaccurate and uncomfortable.
get over yourself
Dude literally follows a nazi Irish tweeter, believes nationalist shit and doesn't even tried to hide his anti semiticism towards Jews. Don't act so dense and stop trying to make this thread about yourself.
because its criticism of something that's not in the game, versus something that's in the game
take Red Dead 2 example, as far as we know right now Dutch's gang will mostly be white males (and one native guy)
that's like me saying "well there were also alot of black cowboys around" The response to that is "ok",
the "historical" argument was trash, and this guy is probably trash, but these types of criticisms i never understand
It's like me complaining that there arn't any Christian elements in the new God of War, even though i could argue that the main source of Norse Mythology was Snorri a christian
because its not criticism of the content of the game, but what YOU want the game to beWhy is it unreasonable for people to expect these things in games and then have concerns when they aren't?
The problem is the criticism stemmed from Vavra and his shithead viewpoints. No one would have probably ever made a stink about this game, at least not to the level it's at now, without Vavra. Once you connect the two you start to wonder how those views reflect the creative decisions made for the game and that's where it began.
They marketed the game as a historically accurate game so it's not unreasonable for people to comment on it's lack of historical accuracy.because its not criticism of the content of the game, but what YOU want the game to be
it's quite simple, really
because its not criticism of the content of the game, but what YOU want the game to be
it's quite simple, really
well then that changes things thenThey marketed the game as a historically accurate game so it's not unreasonable for people to comment on it's lack of historical accuracy.
No, basically what happened was a kickstarter backer posted a very benign and innocent question about whether there would be PoC, I think specifically Africans, in the game and Warhorse gave a pretty standard response with some weak reasoning as to why certain people would or could not be in the game. A blog focused on showing PoC in medieval art pushed back on their reasoning and claims about how there weren't any black people in Bohemia at the time, lots of people on the internet got really angry over this and Vavra as well shot back with some stupid remarks and claims about accuracy and all their historian consultants, similar to comments he made a year or two earlier when people were bringing up the lack of PoC in TW3, where he made some pretty outlandish comments and had a few fights on twitter with some journalists over the issue.I don't remember much about this whole thing, was the game originally criticized because there were only white people in it?
This will surely promote a healthy discussion in the thread, either you agree or your views belong in the sewer and some nice namecalling to make things even better.
So... Is this a post where you actually try to make a point? Or are you just passive-aggressive thread-whining with no intention of posting anything substantive?So... Is this a thread where anything in defense of Vavra will get banned? Or is it possible to have opposing views?
Just asking.
so can we expect criticism of Red Dead 2 for Dutch's gang being mostly white men then?
now that i read more about Vavra's actions, criticism seems justified dude is trash..... but the reason i bring up Red Dead on here or God of War is that there seems to be a selective criticism of the abundance of whiteness in games.
Rockstar will probablyFor RDR? It's possible, at the very least they won't be connected to already solidified racist views so maybe people won't go looking.
Alot of it came up as Kingdom King Deliverance marketed itself as historically accurate and then the dev came out and said that there was no PoC in Bohemia at the time. Red Ded and God of War have never marketed themselves as historically accurate - though of course there could be better portrayal of all minorities in the AAA space or games in general.so can we expect criticism of Red Dead 2 for Dutch's gang being mostly white men then?
now that i read more about Vavra's actions, criticism seems justified dude is trash..... but the reason i bring up Red Dead on here or God of War is that there seems to be a selective criticism of the abundance of whiteness in games.
i see so its more the way they marketed Kingdom Come.....I seeAlot of it came up as Kingdom King Deliverance marketed itself as historically accurate and then the dev came out and said that there was no PoC in Bohemia at the time. Red Ded and God of War have never marketed themselves as historically accurate - though of course there could be better portrayal of all minorities in the AAA space or games in general.
First things first he has never liked any Eric Trump tweets so i'm assuming the dumbass meant Jr instead"They even went to Twitter and looked at things I liked," he said. "It's not what you say, but even stuff you like. So I liked something by Eric Trump, it was non-political stuff but I liked something and Trump is a terrible person so I am a terrible person as well. It was absolutely ridiculous."
bttw if you want more proof of Vavra being a pathological liar and personal victim:
First things first he has never liked any Eric Trump tweets so i'm assuming the dumbass meant Jr instead
N O N P O L I T I C A L
Also further pathetic and disengenious of him to say those are the ones people have issue either, completely , miracously, forgetting to mention the shitload of likes on far-right groups, alt-right personalities with political tweets, and shitbird alt-right conspiracy theories like pizzagate. But i guess that wouldn't sound too good in a interview.
You know if you're going to devolve into acting dumb why even post?
Not really, it's his usual "journalists are so biased against me huaaaaaaaaa" crybaby shit.Did anyone accuse Vavra of using his game to "push" some of his shitty views? Where does the 'propaganda' angle come from?
I think i can agree with there probably being no "propaganda" in KCD.
Lol @ that ISIS / Tim Cook tweet - i didn't even know that one yet.
It has some great ideas, stumbles a little on execution, and it always feels like the game is about to crash on you, but I can't wait to see what they come up with for a sequel.
No, its about the half brother of the king of the Czechs (Signmund from Hungary), kidnapping and using the Cumans and other folks from hungary as his army. Thats really just the back drop to give you some "baddies" to fight. The thrust of the story is to get your father's sword back who was murdered in a raid.Even if you exclude all of his weird historical commentary about race and all that, isn't the actual narrative of the game all about noble Czechs under the oppression of evil barbarian foreigners? Like, any historical narrative is going to political in some way, but it sounds like his have a really active slant to it, even without his gross racial politics.
So much controversy over this game
Glad it didn't add up to anything though, last I heard Kingdom Come has done well sales wise
Looking forward to their next game, KCD was great
I wouldn't have heard of or played the game without the controversy, so it might have played to their benefit. I'm also looking forward to their name game now.
Anything that purports to portray history is involved in propaganda. But i guess thats kinda pedantic
Fascists ran my country until the 70s and murdered countless people. Including yes, people in my family. I'm pretty fucking familiar with what nazis/fascists are, and that's the exact reason i'm not a dumbass and can see that alt-right fuckers are made of the exact same essence and have the same fucking goals. Their ideology inevitably leads to what the Nazi ideology lead. Nazis were motherfucking nazis before they started the genocide.
What's offensive is trying to downplay what nazis motherfucking are, their ideology and how they did the shit they do, by implying they only magically became nazis one day when they started mass murder. The only fucking this the idiocy you profess is ignoring the fuckers until they reach the same endgame.
There's no watering down though. The alt-right ideology is extremely transparent. They're cut from the same cloth.I get what you're saying, but the amount of (mother)fucking in your post is at such an absurd level that it makes it hard to take you very seriously. Not calling everyone you don't like and their mum a nazi, is not the same as downplaying nazis.
It's not about tolerating shit, it's about the danger in watering out something vile to the point where it means nothing anymore.
Yep, a nazi. Keep laughing and stay gullible if you prefer. He's a white supremacist nationalist; if that's not a nazi I don't know what is.
Hey, if you prefer I call him a neonazi instead, that's fine with me. I just don't really think the distinction between a nazi and a neonazi is uh... particularly important?
If you look at the screenshot, you can see that the person who was contacted was Tobias Stolz-Zwilling. I don't know why McKeand used a transparent brush to cover up the name and address.Do we even know if it's Vavra that responded to that email personally?
I don't think it's a "gotcha", either. Vavra is referring to articles about him or his comments that were published without the publications reaching him for comments. Many of these articles were written before the game was released and it's true they did not ask him for comment or specify he was asked for it. I do not think Vavra had McKeand in mind.It was mid february, during the "shitstorm", so it could just have been the stock company response they decided to go with after a while. Doesn't feel like such a gotcha moment tbh.
Basically, the guy is a Gamergater and obsessed with American far-right politics and the whole conversation is born out of that. There's not much more to it.look i don't want you guys think im trying to start anything in here or defending him, just trying to find out what the cause of all of this is
I'm in exactly the same boat, I loved the game. I found absolutely no propaganda or his alt right beliefs expressed in it whatsoever. If anything the game made me want to study that period in history, I found the repercussions of royal family feud's and the politics of the local Lords fascinating. And it was very engaging to be involved and see the effects it had on the common folk through the countryside. I really enjoyed the story.It has some great ideas, stumbles a little on execution, and it always feels like the game is about to crash on you, but I can't wait to see what they come up with for a sequel.
As for guys misguided tweets and such, honestly, I don't care. If I knew he was using this money to fund some crazy weird alt-right rally nonsense, I might not support the game, but there is zero evidence of that. He has a studio with lots of folks working on it.
If anything, the story with its view on refugees is actually handled pretty well. It really isn't some altright propaganda anything.
The games media needs to be honest...They didn't like his politics and decided they wanted to make the game political to make a point when the game itself really isn't all that political.
Bingo. And as much as I may adamantly disagree with that stance and those politics, I can still separate my beliefs and play and enjoy the game that the team made.Basically, the guy is a Gamergater and obsessed with American far-right politics and the whole conversation is born out of that. There's not much more to it.
The games media needs to be honest...They didn't like his politics and decided they wanted to make the game political to make a point when the game itself really isn't all that political.
I was even looking for some of that propaganda, and didn't find it. The writing is actually pretty decent for its first time out. As you stated, it really is more of a story about how all effected the common folks.I'm in exactly the same boat, I loved the game. I found absolutely no propaganda or his alt right beliefs expressed in it whatsoever. If anything the game made me want to study that period in history, I found the repercussions of royal family feud's and the politics of the local Lords fascinating. And it was very engaging to be involved and see the effects it had on the common folk through the countryside. I really enjoyed the story.
Yup. It really is as simple as that.Bingo. And as much as I may adamantly disagree with that stance and those politics, I can still separate my beliefs and play and enjoy the game that the team made.