That's the title of his video in his personal YT channel. Looks like it was a stream he did and placed it on his YT channel from the stream.
But dying here is mostly expressed as creatively bankrupt.
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David Jaffe- AAA games are dying (creatively speaking)
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But dying here is mostly expressed as creatively bankrupt.
Even games on the same series can do more changes without changing genres or having drastic changes. Hell, the game on your avatar is an example of that, one of the original fears of DMCV was that it would be only end up being a DMC4.5 with prettier graphics.
As someone who loves the Uncharted series, he's not wrong. You can tell who actually watched the video and who didn't. Then again, I think fans expect games in a particular series to have similar mechanics between iterations. It's what they're drawn too but, his point does highlight the lack of significant gameplay innovation that occurs from iteration to iteration.
considering the video was about the lack of innovation in the AAA space and you're calling out jaffe for using that scene when there's probably another 5000 examples he could have used, yeah, your comment seems silly to me.
With the new one being the best selling one if i remember right .
Which shows how little gamers care about innovation even more so in the AAA space if you look at other titles .
Plus i don't think people expect every game from a series to wilding different .
He's saying AAA games are dying to him, as in he doesn't find them interesting anymore. Which is a fair stance to have nowadays. A lot of western AAA games are f***ing dull design wise. God of War was such a breath of fresh air in that regard, they made something that played very differently from the established GoW formula.
Maybe you can wait to comment until you can watch it.
Final Fantasy is a good example of this. They rarely play like the previous games. The NES Marios as well. All very different art styles, mechanics, and so on. Although I'm cheating with Super Mario Brothers 2. USA.
IIRC Shannon Studstill considered him for the God of War soft reboot.
AAA games are absolutely dying, but there will be a handful of em yearly for quite a while.
They're basically the Hollywood summer blockbuster sure bet of gaming, although there won't be as many of em as there are movies.
Not every AAA game sucks yet, but soon we'll reach the dream.
They're basically the Hollywood summer blockbuster sure bet of gaming, although there won't be as many of em as there are movies.
Not every AAA game sucks yet, but soon we'll reach the dream.
Misleading thread title, but I agree with his points 100%. A more appropriate title might be "AAA games are losing their innovation, and I don't wanna make em anymore."
It's why I applaud games like the latest couple Assassins Creed titles. They aren't perfect in many ways and definitely lift ideas from other games, but they go out of their way to utilize new ideas and shake up the core gameplay. More and more I also find most big releases 'boring' even if they are beautiful and mechanically sound.
It's why I applaud games like the latest couple Assassins Creed titles. They aren't perfect in many ways and definitely lift ideas from other games, but they go out of their way to utilize new ideas and shake up the core gameplay. More and more I also find most big releases 'boring' even if they are beautiful and mechanically sound.
having played 2, 3, and 4 i'm surprised that someone would argue that they're not incredibly similar gameplay wise. and i say that a fan of series.
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From an investor/publisher perspective? Sure
As a consumer i like to see new things from developers, and even if they don't do something completely different, at least they should try to evolve their franchises.
Resident Evil 7 and the new God of War are good examples of how you can change things while keeping it familiar at the same time
It's ironic that statement is as I actually believe Twisted Metal is one of the IPs that would benefit from being AAA and having the aspects of the new trends from this current generation. Battle Royale can work with Twisted Metal. GaaS model with new maps, and vehicles added over time also would fit. With the popularity with online competitive games Twisted Metal would be perfect.
Guy who helped create God of War uses a Sony game from last year to argue game sequels are no longer creative in the very year Sojy shook the industry with a new God of War game that's wildly different from the series' trajectory.
He specifically says that it's affected him more with age and having worked in the industry for that amount of time.
If only rocket league had big maps with destyctable buildings and up to 20 cars killing eachother in a deathwatch with rocket launchers and flamethrowers
Jaffe took a real weird turn after his studio closed down. It seems that his livelihood is completely based on these annoying streams where he legit just tries to say something controversial.
I had mad respect for the dude and he's coming off as a cringey dweeb recently. It's a shame. I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed Drawn to Death.
I had mad respect for the dude and he's coming off as a cringey dweeb recently. It's a shame. I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed Drawn to Death.
My biggest fear with DMC5 was them adding a universal dodge button that takes away some of the crazy stuff that you can do with DMC like the new Devil Breaker system.
They are not dying, but they have become the "Marvel effect", where you can expect a certain formula, have a good time and then you just move on to the next one. Skip two Uncharted games and then buy the third one and it doesn't really matter, as they all kind of blend together in a certain way. Jim Sterling talked about this effect in his BFV video.
This, too.
I get it if the man 100% doesn't care about polish and refinement, but there's more to Uncharted's evolution than just polish.
He just seems like a passionate and opinionated dude. He was like this when he at Sony as well. It's just that people can broadcast themselves more readily now with free platforms like YT, Twitch, and so on.
But his personality has always been a bit passionate, yet acerbic. But you can tell he's really passionate about gaming. And his sentiment aren't much different from what we've discussed here across the many years in two website.
If you read his statement in pure economic terms, yes, he's rather wrong. But he just seems to be riffing on the mic.
honestly, i don't think that's the level of innovation that jaffe is clamouring for either.
i say this because i believe i can totally relate and it's something that bothers me greatly too. i want to want the latest cod, tomb raider, gears of war etc, but i can't. i want to see radically new gameplay ideas and i think there's still plenty of room for it. there's still so much we can do in terms of gameplay with new software and hardware tools available to us. no mans sky and the possibilities of procedural generation in games is a great of example of the innovation i would want to see in the AAA space.
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in the defense of Uncharted 4 tough....the project had a really problematic development with the game getting new directors, which ended up finishing project in the span of 2 Years.
Druckman and co. had to cut off many ideas due the lack of time (like the new Climbing Mechanics, the Swords Fights, the Snowball Fight Section)
Druckman and co. had to cut off many ideas due the lack of time (like the new Climbing Mechanics, the Swords Fights, the Snowball Fight Section)
I truly couldn't take the whole "GAMES ARE DYING" in this clip, and I don't think he's saying that explicitly in the video, so I can say both the video and thread title are really misleading (and that Jeff's fault, this is from his own channel).
Jaffe is basically saying that the AAA industry is burning him out cause they pump out games that are mechanically the same, which is a valid point IMO. Now to state in a "headline" that their are DYING is a bit too much. If they are dying to you specifically, fair enough.
Jaffe is basically saying that the AAA industry is burning him out cause they pump out games that are mechanically the same, which is a valid point IMO. Now to state in a "headline" that their are DYING is a bit too much. If they are dying to you specifically, fair enough.
His gunplay comparison is so surface-level that he could compare Uncharted 4 to any other third-person shooter. He's basically saying they're the same because you pull out a gun and aim it at an enemy, I would just expect a veteran game designer to dig a little deeper than that and not just say "Oh, I might be able to tell the difference if I played them right next to each other".
"Dying to me" and "Dying" are such radically different claims that even if I have no problem with the idea that there's little innovation in AAA, I have to call him out on using dumb, misleading, inflammatory language.
Hard disagree. RDR2 is like a great American novel, breath of the wild was revolutionary, god of war was a creative triumph on a genuinely epic and mythic scale.
Compare that to bald space marine times.
Compare that to bald space marine times.
Mechanically a lot of AAA games reuse similar ideas. This is especially true in the open world and FPS genres. One way to solve this issue is for publishers to fund more AA type games, but it's extremely, extremely risky especially if said game is a new IP.
