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David Jaffe (creator of God of War) has a bone to pick with ResetEra.

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Nov 17, 2018
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I watched Jaffes video and... no lies detected.

Seriously. Milo had platforms that exposed what he stood for. He subsequently burnt out pretty quick. Now he's begging for donations. The greatest way to expose a bad idea is to shine light on it. The deplatforming idea is just not forward thinking at all. It's like shooting yourself in the foot.

edit: Too many replies to answer them all. My point is he is in debt. How did he get there? He's there because was allowed to speak until it got him banned from private services. I don't consider Alex Jones and Milo Y. deplatforming "wins" since they were both hoisted by their own petard. I'd still argue they should be allowed to publicly have opinions.
I don’t get this. Milo can have an opinion in public whenever he actually wants. He’s just buried in debt so he can’t exactly speak without creditors coming after him. There’s nothing that is a win about people being hateful enough and driving bots and real people at others.

But you also can’t sit here and expect people to sympathize with people who completely abused their platform being able to return to it.
 
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Milo de-platformed himself with the pedo comments. Until that point he would've been a welcome guest on any of the many right wing outlets that millions upon millions of Americans pay very close attention to.

Don't know what Jaffe's on about. My guess is he's an alt-right guy waiting to make his debut.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Wasn't the boat captain brought back only in gow2 tho? and iirc he was a soul temporarily summoned by the zombie dude with hammer, i won't necessarily call that being brought back to life, but that's just me.
Doesn't matter, he was brought back. Also, the gods can seemingly do everything else and it's not exactly established that they can't bring people back to life and we have proof that people themselves can be brought back to life in various ways, from raising souls to crawling out of hades to fucking time travel, it all comes down to the same thing: if Kratos wanted to save his family, he had options he could have atleast tried. He didn't. Why would that be?

Maybe that's what Tarantino thinks, but let's be honest, that's not what transpires in the movie at all,
No, that is what transpired, actually. Schultz hated Candy for his racism and pretentiousness, certainly, but in the scene in question, the part of the movie that actually has him kill Candy, it was because Candy pissed him off by lording his victory over him. Hell, if his objective was to help Django, then what he should have done was shaken his hand and then come back to kill him later, because that would let them walk out alive without risking Brunhilde's life. But he wanted to get back at Candy for being an annoying twerp, so...

I do think that as a slave his violent rebellion against ares was ultimately justified, but again that doesn't mean that he isn't an a hypocritical dick, that was always pretty clear.
No, whats happening is you sympathize with a slave rebelling against his master because slavery is abhorrent. But that's not the actual point here. I'm not talking about whether Kratos rebellion against Ares is justifed in an abstract, moral sense.

I'm saying that specifically about how Kratos frames the event. He thinks Ares betrayed him and he just factually didn't. I'm not talking about the legality either. I'm saying Kratos went "I will be your slave" and Ares goes "ok *treats kratos as a slave*" and Kratos goes "HOW COULD YOU TREAT ME AS A SLAVE, WE WERE PARTNERS AND NOW U BETRAY ME? D:"

The point I'm getting at here is that Kratos is DELUSIONAL, so he makes up a framework for events that didn't actually happen that way and uses it to justify his revenge. That's why his revenge isn't justifiable by Kratos' terms, it's because the framework itself is a lie. If he simply went "Ares is fucking evil" or something, that'd be one thing, even if it'd be a tad rich coming from him. But instead he pretends that they had some kind of trust that Ares betrayed, and that just literally never happened.
 
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His opinion isn’t bigoted, he simply didn’t have enough context to make the statement that he did. He even explains that he’s changed his opinions on it after having been given more information.

I watched the whole video and I never saw him say anything racist, bigoted or sexist. If I understand correctly, he initially claimed that even toxic people should have a platform for speech. I disagree with that if the context is privately owned businesses like Twitter or YouTube... but calling Jaffe a racist bigot is an extreme and unfair mischaracterization of his opinion.

I’m assuming that in order to hold this view, many people here, if they care enough, will probably think of me as an alt right bigot myself. Sigh.
I wasn’t taking specifically about Jaffe. You made a general comment that we attack anyone with “opinions we don’t like”. Read your post again and then read my response.

Jaffe is just an idiot who is coping for hate groups because MUH FREE SPEECH.

It takes the a very minimal amount of critical thinking to know how fucking stupid his whole beef is here. It’s barely worth debating.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Dude I don’t really care about this useless talking point, but I’ll humor you I guess. If you display constant hatred to entire groups of people such as women, people of color, LGBTQ people, then you are in fact, a monster. Not as deep as you think.
But you see, David Jaffe is none of those things, so why should he empathize with us?

Frankly, his ignorance is less forgivable post-Trump. I thought we were done with both-sides and "let the racists recruit because that's the tolerant thing to do".

You hear that David? You're part of the problem, and until you realize that, you should shut the fuck up and listen for a good long time. This ain't no game for minorities. Don't you fucking dare pretend bigotry and hatred are not existential threats. You are severely underestimating the fear, trauma and pain that has been inflicted on people who don't share your skin color, penis, religion or sexual orientation.
 

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As a white guy, that video reeks of white entitlement and privledge... I couldn’t get very far into it unfortunately. Who gets to decide what’s toxic/hateful/inciteful? Spoken like someone who has never been at the receiving end. We have codes of ethics, morality, and laws that pretty much can help you... we are taught about the simple ethical “golden rule” at birth, Pretty sure a lot of people don’t want to be treated the way many of the types of people he’s defending speak about said people.

You’re not defending freedoms, you’re advocating stripping others of theirs. And he clearly has difficult seeing that past his nose.
 
Nov 17, 2018
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I agree with a lot of what had to say. And I laughed a few times too
I agree with what he had to say to an extent. I just think he’s actually ignorant of what Milo actually was online because he was in the middle of making a game. Instead of just yelling on the internet Milo deserves a platform, he could have looked into it a bit more.

Instead of having to admit a mea culpa that changed his mind on some things he could have read first and then spoke informed.
 

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[SNARK]HEY PEOPLE, DO WE EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS THE REAL JAFFE? HE ISN'T EVEN VERIFIED ON TWITTER.[/SNARK]

Seriously though, he's apparently walking his dog then going to twitch to stream debates with people that call in, in ooh, ten minutes.

Honestly, this all sounds like someone afraid of losing their own platform. Which is understandable. But there are better hills to die on than trying to get Milo his soap box back.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Milo de-platformed himself with the pedo comments. Until that point he would've been a welcome guest on any of the many right wing outlets that millions upon millions of Americans pay very close attention to.

Don't know what Jaffe's on about. My guess is he's an alt-right guy waiting to make his debut.
Palmer Luckey is waiting in the wings to welcome him with open arms.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Honestly, this all sounds like someone afraid of losing their own platform. Which is understandable. But there are better hills to die on than trying to get Milo his soap box back.
It's honestly so desperate and sad, and so transparent that the most respectful thing I can do personally is ignore his bit. Like, during his original pitch around that first video, I tried to spell out the very specific reasons Yiannopoulos was eventually banned from the various social media platforms, and Jaffe seemed bulletproof to any sort of recognition or integration of that info, even though it undermined his premise.
 
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It's not seen as a reward to Kratos. He's not happy. He didn't get what he wanted. He sits on his throne, scowling. The powers of a God, but still impotent to cure his actual problems.
Kratos was scowling when he defeated the Barbarian, Kratos was scowling when he was enjoying himself murdering villages, Kratos was scowling when having sex. Hell, the fact that Kratos scowls nearly the entirety of GoW 2018 is a running gag. So forgive me if I don't think that means anything. It's really his only expression, regardless of what's happening.

Edit: Hell, try googling "Kratos smiling". The only thing that comes up is photoshopped images of how hilarious it looks because his face is such that it was literally made with only scowling in mind, so it looks wrong and hilarious when he does smile. And also it means he never smiled through out any of the games.

And that's kind of what I'm getting at for why I don't see GoW as a good story. Yeah, the narrative clearly wants us to think that Kratos wouldn't be more happy being a god of war than he would be having his wife and kid back, but I don't believe that. His love of violence and murder is well established, while his love of his family is something that's, at best, implied. So, from what I've seen, Kratos would LOVE being the god of war, even if he still had was still going >:( the entire time.

The story is telling me one thing, but it's shown me something else, which no amount of greek structure references are gonna fix.
 
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OOOOOOHHH I GOT A REPLY.


My reponse as well

Soo...allow obvious hate speech and bigotry because free speech has spawned progressive movement in the past? Seems to line up one to one!
[SNARK]HEY PEOPLE, DO WE EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS THE REAL JAFFE? HE ISN'T EVEN VERIFIED ON TWITTER.[/SNARK]

Seriously though, he's apparently walking his dog then going to twitch to stream debates with people that call in, in ooh, ten minutes.

Honestly, this all sounds like someone afraid of losing their own platform. Which is understandable. But there are better hills to die on than trying to get Milo his soap box back.
This is my takeaway from all of this. Dude probably feels like he's fading into obscurity and this is attempt to reassure himself that he is relevant lol.
 
It says a lot that he's most offended by the implication that he "doesn't have the testicles" to be forthright with his alt-right sympathies. Reminds me of that thread that concluded that most Trump supporters were primarily insecure about their societal power / masculinity.

Pathetic.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Milo wasn't deplatformed until comments he made defending pedophilia surfaced.

If it wasn't for that the dude would have continued spouting evil bullshit for years to come.

Allowing these people to fester unchallenged just leads to people thinking that these opinions are okay to have.

Alex Jones was around long enough and got popular enough to have a blatant effect on the politics of the U.S. He stoked the conspiracy theories over mass shootings. He interviewed the goddamn president while he was running. He had a very real harmful impact on people's lives and a decent number of people ate it up/continue to eat it up.

Those against deplatforming always seem to have this strange idea that letting them talk is somehow harmless. But you're not just letting them talk, you're directly helping them reach millions with your half-assed responses. By the time they eventually get banned after amassing a following the damage has been done.
 
Nov 9, 2018
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I'm saying that specifically about how Kratos frames the event. He thinks Ares betrayed him and he just factually didn't. I'm not talking about the legality either. I'm saying Kratos went "I will be your slave" and Ares goes "ok *treats kratos as a slave*" and Kratos goes "HOW COULD YOU TREAT ME AS A SLAVE, WE WERE PARTNERS AND NOW U BETRAY ME? D:"

The point I'm getting at here is that Kratos is DELUSIONAL, so he makes up a framework for events that didn't actually happen that way and uses it to justify his revenge. That's why his revenge isn't justifiable by Kratos' terms. If he simply went "Ares is fucking evil", that'd be one thing, even if it'd be a tad rich coming from him. But instead he pretends that they had some kind of trust that Ares betrayed, and that just literally never happened.
I still don't agree with this, Ares DID betray Krato's trust, and imo kratos CAN say that ares betrayed him, even as a slave, which btw isn't even what I would call the de facto kratos-ares relationship, Kratos very much enjoyed being his "slave" up until that brutal day and it was clear that there was an understanding between them, so betrayal(of trust) is an appropriate term in this case(imo).
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm 5 minutes in so far, and I understand what he's getting at, but it feels like he hasn't thought much about what he's saying. If Milo wants a platform, he can find people to work with who will give him a platform. Twitter doesn't have to keep every single account active just because "muh free speech". He broke the terms of service on Twitter, so he is no longer allowed to have an account on Twitter. Does he not realize this?
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Not when you're banned and are forced back to Gaf.
Perhaps he's immune to bans as well? I suspect we're about to find out.

...If you're so keen on separating the art from the artist, why would go into a thread that is 100% about the artist and make a post that is 100% about the art?
Because otherwise how could they inform everyone else that they're enlightened enough to separate them?
 
Oct 26, 2017
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You: "I think we should have a sensible reasoned discussion about these issues"
Also you: "But Feminists (a loosely defined label that has different meanings to everybody) are a hate group and should be banned outright"
People like him are all full of shit. They have no interest in freedom of speech and the open exchange of ideas. They only want freedom of their speech and their ideas. Just like the scumbag Republicans in Wisconsin, it's only ok if it's what they agree with. Otherwise, go fuck yourself. So yeah, they can take their own advice and go fuck themselves.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I still don't agree with this, Ares DID betray Krato's trust, and imo kratos CAN say that ares betrayed him, even as a slave, which btw isn't even what I would call the de facto kratos-ares relationship, Kratos very much enjoyed being his "slave" up until that brutal day and it was clear that there was an understanding between them, so betrayal(of trust) is an appropriate term in this case(imo).
Okay, so...if I were to tell you that you just betrayed me right now, because you're still arguing with me. I believe my argument was convincing, and that carried the implication that you should be agreeing with me right now. But you're not, and your supposed to. So I feel that you are effectively betraying me, because you betrayed my expectations, right?

Does this mean you actually betrayed me, or am I making up bullshit? Because if it's the latter, then that's basically what Kratos did.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Milo doesn't deserve a platform not just because of the shit he spews or the shit he's done, but also because he's a charlatan who enjoys being a contrarian even when his views clearly contradict his life style. He's a joke of an activist that for some reason garnered unwarranted attention.

That said, this forum definitely needs to allow discussions between the left and the right with the latter not feeling prejudiced against.

And I know for a fucking fact that some idiots will read that as "I want neo nazis to have a platform on Era". Some people can't differentiate between a valid query/point of view and bigotry.

A balance must be enforced. Otherwise this place will become just another internet echo chamber.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Milo doesn't deserve a platform not just because of the shit he spews or the shit he's done, but also because he's a charlatan who enjoys being a contrarian even when his views clearly contradict his life style. He's a joke of an activist that for some reason garnered unwarranted attention.

That said, this forum definitely needs to allow discussions between the left and the right with the latter not feeling prejudiced against.

And I know for a fucking fact that some idiots will read that as "I want neo nazis to have a platform on Era". Some people can't differentiate between a valid query/point of view and bigotry.

A balance must be enforced. Otherwise this place will become just another internet echo chamber.
Tell me the views that the right have that are worth discussing.
 
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