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David Jaffe (creator of God of War) has a bone to pick with ResetEra.

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Oct 25, 2017
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Everything is wrestling... It’s either you’re a heel or a comrade, for or against, no shades of gray or middle ground. But hell, I guess that’s how everything is and has always been, from gaming websites, to politics, sports, and society as a whole.

Anyways, whatever...
When it comes to issues like racism, sexism, transphobia etc yes of course you're either for or against. Era is good in that it's not interested in hand waving any of that bullshit. It's wrong, and there's no argument to be made against the fact that it's wrong.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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There’s always two things that bug me when I see situations like this:

1. I don’t like it when people lump a couple of posters opinion together and deem it Resetera consensus as a whole. That was a big issue with Gaf, like the forum was some big boogyman in the woods throwing rocks at industry people... instead of a simple platform with various gamers from different walks of life. It always quickly decends from “So and so posted this shit about me.” to “Yeah, fuck that entire site and the people on it.” Like, if you’re going to go apeshit, do it on the individual, instead of lazily stating the masses, because no... not everyone gives a shit in the first place.

2. As far as the site is concerned, I also hate how everything is so polarized too (I do agree with Jaffe on that). Everything is wrestling... It’s either you’re a heel or a comrade, for or against, no shades of gray or middle ground. But hell, I guess that’s how everything is and has always been, from gaming websites, to politics, sports, and society as a whole.

Anyways, whatever...
Regarding point 2. If you are in the middle of an argument and by that I mean you can see and relate to both sides of the coin, you are less likely to have a strong opinion and therefore post.

I understand what Jaffe was trying to say, he was basically saying if you don't see these types of opinions how do you learn the skill of critical thinking to effectively recognise shit and argue against it.

Or at least that's where I thought he was going until the absurd ethnostate defence where now I think he is deluded enough to think racial exclusion is acceptable so long as there is no violence involved, which is ironically a moronic view to hold.
 
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User Banned (Duration Pending): Trolling, Editing post to add antagonistic content, Account in junior phase
Okay, so I'm going to have to follow up with this. Why did you make a post about separating the art from the artist when this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that to begin with? This is not a thread about Twisted Metal or God of War, and there is no reason why people's opinions about these games even has to come up in order for you to engage in the topic.
That's the thing, they do. As long as I've been browsing this site, the entire notion of "Separating the artist and art" always comes up. Individuals getting lambasted over supporting the art, when the artist was a scumbag. Literally the same situation happening now.

I saw the title
Read through (Gather more info etc etc)
Saw the aforementioned comment
Made a quip considering I know how this site operates with its hive-mind approach and attacking individuals who support the "Art" of certain "Artists"
Had many individuals respond back with triggered responses (Including my joke over how Gaf is better with this style of posting even though I don't post there)

That is all. Nothing else to explain. This certainly has something to do with the topic at hand, while concurrently having something to do with the forum its being posted on.

If you want to know my honest opinion about this whole direct situation, I truly believe its hyperbolic, on both sides. Not just Jaffe, but here too. I've also read up on the Milo situation as well. He's a right asshole, but as long as his words aren't physically affecting someone, he's allowed his idiotic opinion, just like everyone here is. Just ignore his idiotic rhetoric, just like everyone here needs to ignore Jaffe's ramblings, like-wise for NEOGAF, who're currently stalking this thread as I type this, and that this forum likes to do time after time.

Ultimately, people need to calm down, relax and breathe and not get perpetually triggered over everything all the time. Anyway, I explained my point, if you don't like it, too bad, so sad (General statement, not directed to you L Thammy)

L Thammy, I would like to thank you again for not resorting to derogatory statements and rhetoric, that's quite rare these days.

Edit: I'm only responding back to L Thammy, I don't have time to respond back to multiple triggered individuals.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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There has never not been a balance. The problem is people on the right using veiled rhetoric so as to come off as disingenuous and or being too afraid that their views(which lets face it are often antithetical to equality for all) will get them banned.

No one here would call for a ban if people legitimately asked questions about homosexuality or trans issues or why minorities face greater levels of systemic oppression. But those questions rarely get asked. The only discourse arises when someone(presumably) from the left raises an issue or concern and then centrists and right leaning individuals chime in with non sequiturs, what aboutism, and other fallacies EVEN after being informed that their opinion is harmful or their logic flawed.
Getting banned isn't the main concern. Assholes get weeded out smoothly for the most part.

But it is how people respond to and jump on some posters that discourages them from engaging in future discussions. That continues on for a while, little by little, and the end result is an echo chamber where differing points of view immediately stick out and are met with unprompted hostility that, for some reason or another, is somehow tolerated.
 
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Some just don't seem to understand that Nazis and white supremacists don't need to do anything to incite violence. Their very existence is violence and provoking because their belief is that other races, certain genders and sexuality should not exist at all. Their voices, their speeches, their chants, are all violence. Saying "they're fine as long as they don't commit acts of violence" is plain idiocy through and through.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Getting banned isn't the main concern. Assholes get weeded out smoothly for the most part.

But it is how people respond to and jump on some posters that discourages them from engaging in future discussions. That continues on for a while, little by little, and the end result is an echo chamber where differing points of view immediately stick out and are met with unprompted hostility that, for some reason or another, is somehow tolerated.
You know what, even if you were right and all of us were a bunch of jackbooted wrongthinkers, I'm happy to have at least one community on the internet where I'm not constantly dealing with toxic bullshit.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Funny Jaffe would say that "there are laws against that stuff" when we've seen these past years how police will side with white supremacist neo-Nazis and protect them during rallies. The law is on their side because of how systemic this all is.
He’s a well off white dude. He gets to wax nostalgic about this stuff because he’s largely unaffected by the toxicity.
 
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Getting banned isn't the main concern. Assholes get weeded out smoothly for the most part.

But it is how people respond to and jump on some posters that discourages them from engaging in future discussions. That continues on for a while, little by little, and the end result is an echo chamber where differing points of view immediately stick out and are met with unprompted hostility that, for some reason or another, is somehow tolerated.
Sorry if I missed it, but what are some of the different point of views that the right holds that should be discussed with civility around here? Guns and taxes? Because for the most part, those are discussed alright around here.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I haven’t spent much time there since Resetera was made, but the little time i have spent there I got the impression that a lot of people there seem to think that.
I momentarily visited GAF when Era was going through its upgrade, and I was kind of stunned to see a thread full of people maligning the fact that CD Projekt Red fired that transphobic PR person. Saying they were just giving in to SJWs on an issue 99% of the world doesn't care about.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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David Jaffe, I knoW you are reading this and I have one thjing to say to you. you are a baby back bitch, you are a coward, and if you don't debate me in the field of honor, then I will be forced to go to your favorite subway snadwich restaraunt and stick my unwashed sandwich in your sub. I will also put on the salt and pepper mix despite you only asking for salt.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If you want to know my honest opinion about this whole direct situation, I truly believe its hyperbolic, on both sides.
'Both sides' really got hard-wired into a particular group of people huh. Your post has all the hits i'll give you that.

Last i checked, Milo is a neo-nazi scumbag who has bought a lot of suffering to people and helped spread a movement that probably in some form exists in shit like Proud Boys or whatever these days. People saying this dude deserves his platform are enablers, and for whatever reason, thinking this asshole deserves to be elevated after having years of elevation showing his ass for what it truly is, still comes forward and proclaims HE MUST BE HEARD!, deserves a 'fuck off'.

Not hyperbole, just the decent thing to do. BUT BOTH SIDES. Truly remarkable stuff.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I the path you're traveling takes a turn down a road in which you're defending Milo of all people, it's time to get a new map because you're fucking lost. Used to play this dudes games back in the day, but goddamn if he didn't turn out to be a dumbass.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Weird that saying terrible things and supporting or trying to give cover to terrible people would garner criticism and disgust from the internet. He may be a good person (I hope he is cause the world needs more every day it seems), and if he is he'll hopefully learn that being a good person in real life doesn't matter to the internet if you're toxic on the internet and rightfully so.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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That's the thing, they do. As long as I've been browsing this site, the entire notion of "Separating the artist and art" always comes up. Individuals getting lambasted over supporting the art, when the artist was a scumbag. Literally the same situation happening now.

I saw the title
Read through (Gather more info etc etc)
Saw the aforementioned comment
Made a quip considering I know how this site operates with its hive-mind approach and attacking individuals who support the "Art" of certain "Artists"
Had many individuals respond back with triggered responses (Including my joke over how Gaf is better with this style of posting even though I don't post there)

That is all. Nothing else to explain. This certainly has something to do with the topic at hand, while concurrently having something to do with the forum its being posted on.

If you want to know my honest opinion about this whole direct situation, I truly believe its hyperbolic, on both sides. Not just Jaffe, but here too. I've also read up on the Milo situation as well. He's a right asshole, but as long as his words aren't physically affecting someone, he's allowed his idiotic opinion, just like everyone here is. Just ignore his idiotic rhetoric, just like everyone here needs to ignore Jaffe's ramblings, like-wise for NEOGAF, who're currently stalking this thread as I type this, and that this forum likes to do time after time.

Ultimately, people need to calm down, relax and breathe and not get perpetually triggered over everything all the time. Anyway, I explained my point, if you don't like it, too bad, so sad (General statement, not directed to you L Thammy)

L Thammy, I would like to thank you again for not resorting to derogatory statements and rhetoric, that's quite rare these days.

Edit: I'm only responding back to L Thammy, I don't have time to respond back to multiple triggered individuals.
158 posts. Throwing around terms like "hive mind". Offended that people don't like it that they get upset with the fact that you're supporting a shitty human being's art and therefore strengthening their platform with the money that they make since you and people like you have ass backwards priorities in life. And of course, throwing around the term triggered like an insult instead of it's intended, serious use.

Like, ya'll aren't slick at all about this shit.
 
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