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David Jaffe (creator of God of War) has a bone to pick with ResetEra.
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I love the polarization. There's no middle ground for me. If you support racism, misogyny, pedophillia, homophobia, nationalism...fuck you.
Pretty easy line in the sand. Not only that, it's a matter of survival for me and mines. It's a very simple case of you're either with me or against me.
Of course the far-right fest of the other place is celebrating this.
Gamergate really did a work there.
Gamergate really did a work there.
Sure, no prob, but I do want to say that this isn't a matter of semantics. We both agree that what happened is that Kratos got fucked over by Ares and he didn't expect to be fucked over and him being angry about being fucked over is something he can understandably be angry about. We're on common ground there.
The distinction I make, and I think it's an important one because it tells us about how he thinks about his worldview. I think it's important that he views himself as a victim of deception when Ares when we can literally that that isn't the case. It would be an interesting framework of Kratos if the writers remembered that Kratos' view of this is bullshit, but they don't, which is a flaw in the narrative imo and what makes Kratos so contemptible as a character. GOW2018 fixed this on both fronts by having characters call him out whenever he tried to pull that shit on them, and is one of the reasons, arguably the biggest reason for me, why it's a far more effective story.
lol, world famous video game director and designer, getting one lonely Twitter like for his boomer oatmeal brained understanding of how white supremacists recruit via the internet...
I think Jaffe, like Boogie and every other peabrained centrist in the gaming sphere who think they need to speak on politics without having any idea of what they're talking about ("i didn't know what NPC was! I didn't realize the "alt-left" isn't a thing!) legitimately don't understand that for these extreme right-wing hate groups, their ideas are never actually disinfected by sunlight. And this idea of "what if one day what you say is deemed hate speech" is such a ridiculous slippery slope fallacy.
Funny you mention Voltaire. Let's see what he thought about Jews:
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...Oh.
Also your last sentence is completely irrelevant. No government told Milo he couldn't spew his filth. Private websites can police their users as they see fit.
Yep. Never reflecting what got these people removed from the spotlight in the first place. Just some disingenuous call for the public to be forcefully subjected to their bullshit again because "what about free speech?"
When it comes to issues like racism, sexism, transphobia etc yes of course you're either for or against. Era is good in that it's not interested in hand waving any of that bullshit. It's wrong, and there's no argument to be made against the fact that it's wrong.
Right? We're not perfect, but if alt-right sympathizers don't like us, I can't help but feel we're doing something right.
it's not slander if it's true
I don't care what anyone else says, you're not completely horrible.
You still how a long way to go before you make up for that ReBoot slander, though.
but if we ostracise the alt right doesn't that, in a roundabout way, make *us* the alt right?
oh you mean nothing works that way? oh well never mind then
oh you mean nothing works that way? oh well never mind then
Neo-nazis: violence is good, killing is good. I'm racist and like to kill minorities of any type
Centrists: well as long as they aren't violent they're a ok!
Neo-nazis: /commit violent acts
Centrists:
Regarding point 2. If you are in the middle of an argument and by that I mean you can see and relate to both sides of the coin, you are less likely to have a strong opinion and therefore post.
I understand what Jaffe was trying to say, he was basically saying if you don't see these types of opinions how do you learn the skill of critical thinking to effectively recognise shit and argue against it.
Or at least that's where I thought he was going until the absurd ethnostate defence where now I think he is deluded enough to think racial exclusion is acceptable so long as there is no violence involved, which is ironically a moronic view to hold.
There's always a middle when you're unaffected by it. Between supporting minorities and calling for their extermination, there's a vast gulf of apathy.
when you lose freeze peach in your dreams
YOU LOSE IT FOR REALS
But aren't these the threads where Gritty is supposed to be the most woke???
And you are a genwunner, and that's worse than all the racism in the world
He's supposed to be out in the world hunting fascists with his stick or something. I guess this is his side job.
So he decided to stop being coy and finally said what he meant.
This is what happens when feeble minded people who think they're smart get too much free time on their hands, they fall into these conspiracy holes and just eat up all that shit without a drop of critical thinking.
I blame Sony for Jaffe's douchebaggery. Should have kept him busy.
People have alt accounts ready to go for Twitch cause they just need tell streamers they are playing a "shitty game".
People are weird.
User Banned (permanent): Trolling, Editing post to add antagonistic content, Account in junior phase
That's the thing, they do. As long as I've been browsing this site, the entire notion of "Separating the artist and art" always comes up. Individuals getting lambasted over supporting the art, when the artist was a scumbag. Literally the same situation happening now.
I saw the title
Read through (Gather more info etc etc)
Saw the aforementioned comment
Made a quip considering I know how this site operates with its hive-mind approach and attacking individuals who support the "Art" of certain "Artists"
Had many individuals respond back with triggered responses (Including my joke over how Gaf is better with this style of posting even though I don't post there)
That is all. Nothing else to explain. This certainly has something to do with the topic at hand, while concurrently having something to do with the forum its being posted on.
If you want to know my honest opinion about this whole direct situation, I truly believe its hyperbolic, on both sides. Not just Jaffe, but here too. I've also read up on the Milo situation as well. He's a right asshole, but as long as his words aren't physically affecting someone, he's allowed his idiotic opinion, just like everyone here is. Just ignore his idiotic rhetoric, just like everyone here needs to ignore Jaffe's ramblings, like-wise for NEOGAF, who're currently stalking this thread as I type this, and that this forum likes to do time after time.
Ultimately, people need to calm down, relax and breathe and not get perpetually triggered over everything all the time. Anyway, I explained my point, if you don't like it, too bad, so sad (General statement, not directed to you L Thammy)
L Thammy, I would like to thank you again for not resorting to derogatory statements and rhetoric, that's quite rare these days.
Edit: I'm only responding back to L Thammy, I don't have time to respond back to multiple triggered individuals.
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Getting banned isn't the main concern. Assholes get weeded out smoothly for the most part.
But it is how people respond to and jump on some posters that discourages them from engaging in future discussions. That continues on for a while, little by little, and the end result is an echo chamber where differing points of view immediately stick out and are met with unprompted hostility that, for some reason or another, is somehow tolerated.
Milo outed a trans student and drove his followers to hack Leslie Jones's website
(Maybe you need to read more before mouthing off.)
Some just don't seem to understand that Nazis and white supremacists don't need to do anything to incite violence. Their very existence is violence and provoking because their belief is that other races, certain genders and sexuality should not exist at all. Their voices, their speeches, their chants, are all violence. Saying "they're fine as long as they don't commit acts of violence" is plain idiocy through and through.
Gritty is like Garfield, he is 24/7 tired
I just don't want to remember 800 loser Pokemon when I can remember 20 good ones instead, man
Patreon's gone ahead and banned Milo after only a day. https://www.resetera.com/threads/mi...n-account-banned-after-less-than-a-day.85388/
Please, Jaffe, you have to save your good pal from this travesty! /s
P.S. Continue fucking right off.
Please, Jaffe, you have to save your good pal from this travesty! /s
P.S. Continue fucking right off.
You know what, even if you were right and all of us were a bunch of jackbooted wrongthinkers, I'm happy to have at least one community on the internet where I'm not constantly dealing with toxic bullshit.
He's a well off white dude. He gets to wax nostalgic about this stuff because he's largely unaffected by the toxicity.
Sorry if I missed it, but what are some of the different point of views that the right holds that should be discussed with civility around here? Guns and taxes? Because for the most part, those are discussed alright around here.
I momentarily visited GAF when Era was going through its upgrade, and I was kind of stunned to see a thread full of people maligning the fact that CD Projekt Red fired that transphobic PR person. Saying they were just giving in to SJWs on an issue 99% of the world doesn't care about.
David Jaffe, I knoW you are reading this and I have one thjing to say to you. you are a baby back bitch, you are a coward, and if you don't debate me in the field of honor, then I will be forced to go to your favorite subway snadwich restaraunt and stick my unwashed sandwich in your sub. I will also put on the salt and pepper mix despite you only asking for salt.
'Both sides' really got hard-wired into a particular group of people huh. Your post has all the hits i'll give you that.
Last i checked, Milo is a neo-nazi scumbag who has bought a lot of suffering to people and helped spread a movement that probably in some form exists in shit like Proud Boys or whatever these days. People saying this dude deserves his platform are enablers, and for whatever reason, thinking this asshole deserves to be elevated after having years of elevation showing his ass for what it truly is, still comes forward and proclaims HE MUST BE HEARD!, deserves a 'fuck off'.
Not hyperbole, just the decent thing to do. BUT BOTH SIDES. Truly remarkable stuff.
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